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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1774 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1102 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 736 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 637 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1085 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1035 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1195 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 953 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 986 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1045 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1153 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1043 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1082 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 911 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 972 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1022 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 989 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1070 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1053 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1011 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 984 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1102 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1154 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1163 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1005 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 908 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1056 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 918 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1051 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1118 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1059 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 643 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1054 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 671 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 970 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 622 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1106 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 986 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 591 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 715 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1116 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1004 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1107 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 988 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 590 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1277 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1036 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1008 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1093 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1082 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 587 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1108 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 977 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 953 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1115 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1054 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1094 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1060 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 979 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 999 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1075 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1174 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1004 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1113 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1022 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 893 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 949 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1076 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 965 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1113 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1051 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1076 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1250 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 993 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1363 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1113 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 998 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1023 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1052 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1157 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1246 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1076 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1264 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1031 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1105 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 940 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1277 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 944 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 721 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 748 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1128 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1108 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1050 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1278 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1357 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1097 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1024 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 615 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1037 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1322 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1284 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1105 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1177 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 934 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 806 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1015 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1098 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1173 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1044 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1289 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1100 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 810 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 598 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 842 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 567 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1214 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1067 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1264 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 993 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1212 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1131 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 825 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1086 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 847 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 725 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 724 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 598 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 750 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 983 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 908 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1321 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 988 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1214 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 597 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1047 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1258 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1043 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 982 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1177 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 654 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1207 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1298 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1416 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 650 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 737 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1261 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 602 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 703 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 622 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1348 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1275 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 648 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 785 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 781 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1268 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1388 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1331 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 820 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 870 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1719 Views
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