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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1788 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1112 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 745 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 644 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1097 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1048 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1207 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 966 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 999 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1061 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1167 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1055 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1093 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 922 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 983 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1034 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1002 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1083 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1065 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1023 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 995 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1115 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1166 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1174 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1019 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 921 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1069 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 930 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1065 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1131 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1070 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 653 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1068 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 680 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 981 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 632 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1118 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1005 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 598 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 722 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1129 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1013 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1123 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1001 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 597 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1288 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1049 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1019 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1104 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1094 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 595 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1118 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 992 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 963 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1128 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1064 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1106 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1071 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 991 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1011 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1085 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1184 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1015 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1126 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1035 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 902 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 960 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1090 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 978 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1126 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1060 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1087 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1266 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1005 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1374 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1123 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1010 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1034 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1066 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1168 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1262 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1099 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1286 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1042 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1118 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 949 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1292 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 954 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 728 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 756 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1140 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1123 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1061 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1292 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1374 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1109 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1039 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 622 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1049 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1338 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1298 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1119 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1189 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 946 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 814 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1029 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1111 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1185 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1057 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1310 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1112 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 819 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 604 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 852 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 575 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1229 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1081 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1278 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1005 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1226 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1144 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 835 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1096 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 856 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 734 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 732 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 605 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 757 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 995 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 921 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1339 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1000 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1227 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 603 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1059 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1273 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1057 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1001 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1193 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 662 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1221 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1313 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1430 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 658 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 747 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1276 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 610 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 711 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 631 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1362 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1292 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 653 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 798 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 788 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1288 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1408 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1348 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 830 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 878 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1735 Views
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