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And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM

View original postAre your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?

No they are not the same as the Watch's win conditions, but I see no reason why I would lose if they won... In the games I've played in the past, there has always been a rule that if there is a period of no deaths for 3 days/nights, the town wins. Logic? If the scum aren't able to kill the town, then they are no threat to the town. So, I am not worried about no one dying at night... In fact, I am worried about the opposite -- a lot people dying, especially at night. With that in mind, I'm happy to help FT reach this win condition.

Why do you think my victory conditions should be incompatible with a lack of night kills? Are your victory conditions incompatible with that? From your reaction, it sounds like they are. If they're not compatible, then I hope you'll explain 1) what they actually are, and 2) why I should support them.


View original postI admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

I'm willing to lynch people who I see as motivated killers... which is why I'm voting beet. However, like I explained above, it sounds like I can technically win without lynching, if necessary. If FT/town would like to just proceed with no-lynch + roleblock at night, I'm happy to continue that way as well.

View original postDid you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.

I know he reads this thread, so I assume he would have responded if he wanted to say something. I'll send him a message but I expect a RAFO.


View original postAnd why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

Mostly random, there wasn't a lot to go off of at the end of Day 2. Yes I did roleblock someone each night and I was told I was successful each night. No one else has admitted to being roleblocked, though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that they tried to kill someone, or it could just be that they have no night action or didn't do anything that night (and so the mod maybe didn't tell them they were "blocked" ). Not sure I should reveal yet. But I will say that the first night choice was also mostly random. And last night, I just made an educated guess; I don't know if I actually stopped anything or not.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2014 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1328 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 884 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 815 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1302 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1248 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1403 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1167 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1183 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1265 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1371 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1269 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1283 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1120 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1172 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1223 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1185 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1299 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1255 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1201 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1180 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1337 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1362 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1359 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1230 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1109 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1267 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1128 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1255 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1331 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1277 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 784 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1270 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 838 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1176 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 781 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1333 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1196 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 726 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 865 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1346 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1229 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1331 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1211 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 738 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1511 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1250 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1200 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1290 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1284 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 719 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1319 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1211 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1160 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1307 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1263 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1331 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1280 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1185 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1203 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1292 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1376 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1228 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1314 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1225 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1087 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1163 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1297 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1177 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1308 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1253 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1359 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1488 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1202 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1564 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1318 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1203 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1248 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1275 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1374 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1442 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1328 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1500 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1263 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1321 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1150 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1630 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1153 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 861 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 902 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1355 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1319 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1255 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1635 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1698 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1342 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1248 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 750 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1254 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1687 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1633 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1317 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1380 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1121 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 948 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1231 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1306 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1382 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1246 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1660 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1338 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 969 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 741 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1005 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 698 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1582 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1277 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1611 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1215 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1557 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1358 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 984 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1292 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1004 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 886 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 872 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 725 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 903 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1218 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1115 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1662 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1191 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1559 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 741 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1250 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1617 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1245 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1218 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1522 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 797 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1559 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1645 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1762 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 785 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 894 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1606 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 733 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 873 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 743 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1723 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1638 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 789 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 939 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 926 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1614 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1738 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1696 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 968 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1018 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2089 Views
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