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And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM

View original postAre your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?

No they are not the same as the Watch's win conditions, but I see no reason why I would lose if they won... In the games I've played in the past, there has always been a rule that if there is a period of no deaths for 3 days/nights, the town wins. Logic? If the scum aren't able to kill the town, then they are no threat to the town. So, I am not worried about no one dying at night... In fact, I am worried about the opposite -- a lot people dying, especially at night. With that in mind, I'm happy to help FT reach this win condition.

Why do you think my victory conditions should be incompatible with a lack of night kills? Are your victory conditions incompatible with that? From your reaction, it sounds like they are. If they're not compatible, then I hope you'll explain 1) what they actually are, and 2) why I should support them.


View original postI admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

I'm willing to lynch people who I see as motivated killers... which is why I'm voting beet. However, like I explained above, it sounds like I can technically win without lynching, if necessary. If FT/town would like to just proceed with no-lynch + roleblock at night, I'm happy to continue that way as well.

View original postDid you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.

I know he reads this thread, so I assume he would have responded if he wanted to say something. I'll send him a message but I expect a RAFO.


View original postAnd why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

Mostly random, there wasn't a lot to go off of at the end of Day 2. Yes I did roleblock someone each night and I was told I was successful each night. No one else has admitted to being roleblocked, though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that they tried to kill someone, or it could just be that they have no night action or didn't do anything that night (and so the mod maybe didn't tell them they were "blocked" ). Not sure I should reveal yet. But I will say that the first night choice was also mostly random. And last night, I just made an educated guess; I don't know if I actually stopped anything or not.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1776 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1103 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 738 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 638 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1087 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1037 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1196 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 954 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 988 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1047 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1155 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1045 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1083 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 913 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 974 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1024 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 991 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1071 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1055 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1013 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 986 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1103 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1157 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1165 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1007 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 910 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1057 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 920 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1053 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1120 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1062 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 645 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1056 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 672 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 972 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 624 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1108 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 987 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 592 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 717 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1118 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1005 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1108 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 989 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 592 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1278 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1037 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1009 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1094 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1084 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 588 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1109 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 978 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 954 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1119 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1056 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1096 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1062 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 981 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1001 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1076 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1175 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1005 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1113 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1024 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 896 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 951 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1077 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 967 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1115 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1052 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1078 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1252 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 994 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1365 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1113 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1000 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1025 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1054 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1159 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1247 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1078 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1266 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1032 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1106 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 943 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1278 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 947 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 723 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 749 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1129 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1108 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1050 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1280 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1359 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1099 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1025 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 617 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1038 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1323 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1287 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1107 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1178 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 935 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 807 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1018 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1100 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1175 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1045 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1292 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1102 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 811 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 599 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 842 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 569 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1217 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1068 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1267 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 994 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1213 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1132 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 826 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1089 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 848 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 726 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 726 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 600 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 751 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 985 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 910 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1324 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 991 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1215 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 598 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1049 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1260 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1044 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 984 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1179 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 655 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1210 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1300 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1418 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 651 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 739 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1263 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 603 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 704 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 623 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1350 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1276 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 649 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 786 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 782 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1270 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1390 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1333 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 821 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 871 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1721 Views
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