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And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM

View original postAre your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?

No they are not the same as the Watch's win conditions, but I see no reason why I would lose if they won... In the games I've played in the past, there has always been a rule that if there is a period of no deaths for 3 days/nights, the town wins. Logic? If the scum aren't able to kill the town, then they are no threat to the town. So, I am not worried about no one dying at night... In fact, I am worried about the opposite -- a lot people dying, especially at night. With that in mind, I'm happy to help FT reach this win condition.

Why do you think my victory conditions should be incompatible with a lack of night kills? Are your victory conditions incompatible with that? From your reaction, it sounds like they are. If they're not compatible, then I hope you'll explain 1) what they actually are, and 2) why I should support them.


View original postI admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

I'm willing to lynch people who I see as motivated killers... which is why I'm voting beet. However, like I explained above, it sounds like I can technically win without lynching, if necessary. If FT/town would like to just proceed with no-lynch + roleblock at night, I'm happy to continue that way as well.

View original postDid you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.

I know he reads this thread, so I assume he would have responded if he wanted to say something. I'll send him a message but I expect a RAFO.


View original postAnd why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

Mostly random, there wasn't a lot to go off of at the end of Day 2. Yes I did roleblock someone each night and I was told I was successful each night. No one else has admitted to being roleblocked, though. Maybe they're hiding the fact that they tried to kill someone, or it could just be that they have no night action or didn't do anything that night (and so the mod maybe didn't tell them they were "blocked" ). Not sure I should reveal yet. But I will say that the first night choice was also mostly random. And last night, I just made an educated guess; I don't know if I actually stopped anything or not.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2145 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1453 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 945 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 877 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1414 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1377 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1526 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1295 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1317 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1381 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1489 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1389 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1411 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1247 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1299 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1342 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1303 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1438 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1378 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1317 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1299 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1464 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1473 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1488 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1335 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1230 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1370 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1284 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1381 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1459 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1405 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 854 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1382 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 900 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1299 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 837 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1461 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1326 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 786 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 926 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1475 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1335 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1444 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1362 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 797 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1680 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1359 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1339 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1411 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1408 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 773 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1451 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1347 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1274 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1415 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1375 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1467 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1413 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1319 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1311 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1413 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1502 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1389 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1439 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1342 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1210 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1291 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1439 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1321 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1430 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1364 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1481 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1617 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1331 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1685 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1467 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1324 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1386 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1391 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1497 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1574 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1433 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1629 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1387 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1455 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1282 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1751 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1282 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 917 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 976 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1473 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1446 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1380 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1767 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1834 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1468 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1367 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 817 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1377 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1833 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1759 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1428 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1489 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1247 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1007 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1343 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1445 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1493 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1359 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1777 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1472 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1023 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 797 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1061 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 757 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1716 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1400 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1727 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1354 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1677 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1476 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1047 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1406 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1064 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 947 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 945 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 781 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 957 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1359 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1241 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1769 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1317 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1673 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 805 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1388 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1740 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1356 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1342 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1642 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 850 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1685 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1761 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1883 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 847 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 951 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1726 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 784 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 929 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 797 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1844 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1773 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 852 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1010 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 974 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1744 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1887 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1827 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1032 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1085 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2214 Views
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