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This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM

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Though this changes nothing for me and confirms what I've been saying all along: the lack of kills plays favorably for Town. The revelation of your victory condition pretty much says it all, and makes those that were desperately looking for a kill after consecutive no-lynches, and no NKs (Artsapat, beetnemesis, even ranagrande to an extent, who claimed survivor) extremely scummy.

Are your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?


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The one who has been pushing strongest for a kill is beetnemesis, followed by Artsapat. I suspected them after the end of yesterDay, when the pressure started mounting against Taiga for no good reason. Artsapat started it off with a random accusation that wasn't even worth a vote, but it was beet who seemed to take it a step further and make it seem like the only options were to lynch Taiga or rana (after he saw that lynching Yuna was impossible)... although when I prodded him why, he couldn't even give any reasons why they should be lynched.

I admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

(BTW, now that I think about it: if there is no such thing as a "Town"-faction, there is no real use for a Vig is there? It has to be SK.)


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One of my abilities is similar to your faction ability (hard roleblock).. I targeted Artsapat Night 2 to block him, but I don't know why the Watch was brought in as I've got no affiliation with them. Possibly a mod mix-up since the abilities are similar? Dunno.

Did you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.
And why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2238 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1553 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 1010 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 951 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1520 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1476 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1627 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1389 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1412 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1480 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1591 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1493 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1502 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1346 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1385 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1448 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1413 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1540 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1472 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1425 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1391 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1553 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1631 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1580 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1420 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1325 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1485 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1375 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1484 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1559 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1511 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 915 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1486 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 955 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1385 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 911 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1549 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1418 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 839 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 995 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1583 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1432 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1541 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1453 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 849 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1776 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1447 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1438 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1507 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1507 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 822 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1548 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1437 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1364 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1519 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1471 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1567 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1514 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1418 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1405 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1521 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1586 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1490 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1530 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1438 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1302 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1382 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1544 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1419 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1521 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1455 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1570 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1722 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1409 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1792 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1563 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1445 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1496 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1486 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1603 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1678 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1518 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1727 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1486 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1539 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1374 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1856 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1380 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 973 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 1075 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1600 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1548 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1466 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1869 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1929 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1582 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1465 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 873 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1471 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1932 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1868 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1517 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1590 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1340 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1066 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1441 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1540 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1590 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1471 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1885 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1579 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1080 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 857 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1122 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 819 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1816 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1545 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1826 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1455 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1778 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1555 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1106 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1499 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1131 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 1000 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 1005 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 835 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 1018 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1486 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1337 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1870 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1447 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1777 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 863 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1481 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1852 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1443 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1441 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1740 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 915 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1825 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1883 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1987 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 904 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 1006 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1835 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 861 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 991 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 844 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1945 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1869 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 901 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1073 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 1027 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1852 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1998 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1932 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1085 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1166 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2317 Views
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