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This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM

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Though this changes nothing for me and confirms what I've been saying all along: the lack of kills plays favorably for Town. The revelation of your victory condition pretty much says it all, and makes those that were desperately looking for a kill after consecutive no-lynches, and no NKs (Artsapat, beetnemesis, even ranagrande to an extent, who claimed survivor) extremely scummy.

Are your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?


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The one who has been pushing strongest for a kill is beetnemesis, followed by Artsapat. I suspected them after the end of yesterDay, when the pressure started mounting against Taiga for no good reason. Artsapat started it off with a random accusation that wasn't even worth a vote, but it was beet who seemed to take it a step further and make it seem like the only options were to lynch Taiga or rana (after he saw that lynching Yuna was impossible)... although when I prodded him why, he couldn't even give any reasons why they should be lynched.

I admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

(BTW, now that I think about it: if there is no such thing as a "Town"-faction, there is no real use for a Vig is there? It has to be SK.)


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One of my abilities is similar to your faction ability (hard roleblock).. I targeted Artsapat Night 2 to block him, but I don't know why the Watch was brought in as I've got no affiliation with them. Possibly a mod mix-up since the abilities are similar? Dunno.

Did you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.
And why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2136 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1448 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 939 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 870 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1406 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1366 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1517 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1286 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1304 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1372 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1483 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1379 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1395 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1239 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1293 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1330 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1297 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1432 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1366 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1308 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1287 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1453 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1465 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1476 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1327 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1222 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1362 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1271 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1374 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1452 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1397 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 851 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1376 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 897 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1287 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 834 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1453 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1320 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 783 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 924 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1464 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1325 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1435 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1354 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 794 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1671 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1353 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1331 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1401 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1398 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 771 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1441 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1335 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1262 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1407 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1368 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1460 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1402 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1312 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1304 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1409 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1489 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1380 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1435 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1336 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1201 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1285 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1431 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1313 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1422 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1352 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1474 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1608 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1318 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1674 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1461 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1319 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1375 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1382 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1484 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1565 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1426 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1618 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1379 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1443 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1268 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1741 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1275 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 914 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 968 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1466 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1441 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1375 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1756 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1818 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1459 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1356 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 816 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1370 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1818 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1751 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1419 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1482 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1238 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1003 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1337 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1436 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1482 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1354 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1767 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1466 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1019 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 794 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1056 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 750 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1708 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1394 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1724 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1340 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1668 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1468 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1043 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1396 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1060 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 941 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 944 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 779 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 953 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1344 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1233 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1760 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1303 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1665 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 801 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1376 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1730 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1345 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1333 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1627 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 845 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1677 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1749 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1873 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 844 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 947 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1717 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 783 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 927 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 794 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1833 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1764 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 848 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1005 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 969 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1731 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1877 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1820 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1029 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1081 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2203 Views
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