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This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM

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Though this changes nothing for me and confirms what I've been saying all along: the lack of kills plays favorably for Town. The revelation of your victory condition pretty much says it all, and makes those that were desperately looking for a kill after consecutive no-lynches, and no NKs (Artsapat, beetnemesis, even ranagrande to an extent, who claimed survivor) extremely scummy.

Are your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?


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The one who has been pushing strongest for a kill is beetnemesis, followed by Artsapat. I suspected them after the end of yesterDay, when the pressure started mounting against Taiga for no good reason. Artsapat started it off with a random accusation that wasn't even worth a vote, but it was beet who seemed to take it a step further and make it seem like the only options were to lynch Taiga or rana (after he saw that lynching Yuna was impossible)... although when I prodded him why, he couldn't even give any reasons why they should be lynched.

I admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

(BTW, now that I think about it: if there is no such thing as a "Town"-faction, there is no real use for a Vig is there? It has to be SK.)


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One of my abilities is similar to your faction ability (hard roleblock).. I targeted Artsapat Night 2 to block him, but I don't know why the Watch was brought in as I've got no affiliation with them. Possibly a mod mix-up since the abilities are similar? Dunno.

Did you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.
And why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1676 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1021 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 701 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 596 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 999 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 939 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1106 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 871 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 898 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 963 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1067 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 955 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 993 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 824 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 914 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 940 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 908 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 980 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 967 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 920 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 887 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1002 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1060 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1063 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 943 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 820 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 964 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 828 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 966 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1036 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 953 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 604 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 976 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 624 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 912 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 578 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1028 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 889 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 544 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 670 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1024 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 919 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1018 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 911 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 555 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1161 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 948 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 920 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1008 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1021 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 545 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1018 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 887 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 875 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1020 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 970 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1007 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 987 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 899 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 913 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 985 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1090 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 911 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1027 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 942 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 805 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 867 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 990 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 872 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1024 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 955 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 979 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1171 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 903 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1263 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1033 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 914 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 939 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 969 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1070 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1162 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 993 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1170 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 941 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1013 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 850 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1186 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 847 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 683 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 710 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1041 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1014 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 965 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1197 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1269 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1013 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 937 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 570 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 941 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1233 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1198 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1014 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1087 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 852 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 766 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 925 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1016 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1081 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 961 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1207 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1014 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 772 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 559 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 801 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 534 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1093 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 987 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1160 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 914 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1127 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1031 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 765 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 995 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 803 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 680 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 683 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 557 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 710 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 892 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 819 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1235 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 910 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1159 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 555 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 953 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1162 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 949 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 889 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1091 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 617 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1111 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1216 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1311 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 608 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 693 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1180 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 567 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 657 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 582 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1247 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1176 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 609 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 741 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 743 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1177 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1296 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1240 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 783 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 830 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1623 Views
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