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What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM

As I, FT and others already pointed out, Stephen's death made absolutely no sense. Even if Stephen was targeted, any anti-Vampire / anti-foreigner faction would've been better off using the NK on Yuna, who was also revealed as Vampire at that time. As FT said, and I also already mentioned yesterDay I think, that would've lead to at least one, and if they're lucky (no replacement could be found, and/or Yuna had the wrong sort of information to replace), two less vampires.

But what if Stephen wasn't the target at all? With the large number of unusual roles, having one redirector or whatever counts as a bus driver in this town, would not be a very large leap. In-game, magicians would be able to do this pretty easily (screwing with the mind of one player to make them target another), maybe the Patrician (ordering them somewhere else)? In the case of a redirector, it might be a random redirect (which ended up with Stephen), or it may even be deliberate. Substituting Stephen for someone else could make sense for a pro-town player: whatever nefarious deeds someone would have done to another player is now directed to a man with a death warrant.

In the case of a redirector: if you know who you targeted during that Night, you know who killed Stephen and is thus a candidate for Lynching. In the case of a bus driver, it's likely more to protect someone else, who was an obvious target.

With the manner of Stephen's death, which indicated to me something REALLY large falling on top of several buildings, I don't get a very "normal" scum faction feel. More of a "vengeful god" or "supernatural being" feel. There is also the "Hogs of War" graffiti, and I can't shake the feeling of a vigilante superpowered creature. (Might be confirmation bias from my Hogfather association.)
If the Hippo faction exists (and again: besides several indications neither an Undead faction nor a Hippo faction has been revealed - only a Watch faction) I thought this would include normal Ankh-Morporkians (as far as "normal" applies of course), not a supernatural being.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2077 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1391 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 913 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 847 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1354 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1313 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1461 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1228 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1248 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1322 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1431 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1323 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1343 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1189 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1228 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1274 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1247 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1385 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1311 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1257 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1232 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1405 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1411 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1418 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1277 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1309 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1215 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1313 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1392 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1338 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 830 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1329 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 869 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1233 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1393 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1256 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 751 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 901 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1402 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1272 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1379 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1293 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 773 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1613 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1300 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1262 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 750 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1376 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1282 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1211 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1362 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1321 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1405 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1345 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1262 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1259 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1350 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1433 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1327 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1370 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1142 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1368 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1245 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1363 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1302 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1405 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1556 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1617 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1385 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1266 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1310 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1324 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1428 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1503 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1374 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1556 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1311 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1375 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1208 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1693 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1206 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 891 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 935 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1409 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1377 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1316 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1703 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1767 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1407 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1302 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1323 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1750 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1362 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1427 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1185 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 975 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1277 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1366 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1426 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1298 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1721 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1405 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 997 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 768 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1653 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1281 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1619 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1417 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1016 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1345 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1036 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 920 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 914 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 755 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 932 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1292 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1175 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1711 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1257 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1617 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 769 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1320 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1674 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1295 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1284 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1564 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 826 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1621 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1705 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1660 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 761 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 905 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 775 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1781 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1712 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 820 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 973 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 951 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1676 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1814 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1770 Views

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