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Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM

View original postNon-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.

The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.


You think you know how the Watch works better than me? The goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills, but it doesn't immediately lose if one occurs, otherwise we'd be out already. Eliminating a known scum would add one more failed Night to our tally, but that has to be measured against preventing that scum from committing Night Kills in perpetuity. Just because the option exists doesn't mean it's intended to be used. My StarCraft mafia game had actual suicide goons.

The point here is that you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what Stephen's role, alignments and objectives were, and you don't know what the vampires are up to. And yet there's one thing you've been certain of since Day 1, and that's that the vampires need to die. You've just been trying to throw up arguments to get to that end as they come along.


View original postSo, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.


Again, your argument is built around the admittance that the vampires cannot be a normal scum faction. They could be some unorthodox scum faction, but by very virtue of being unorthodox, they are also unlikely. I am still of the opinion that a regular scum faction exists, and would rather focus on that than of some entirely hypothetical vampiric scum faction whose methods, motives and organisation you can only guess at.

Because in the end, you cannot pin any crime on the vampires thus far, but we do know that there has been a Night Kill. I would be far more interested in figuring out the guilty party behind that, rather than going on ghost hunts.


View original postAs to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

See, now this I can believe. I don't remember everyone you've tried to get lynched this game but it does include Yunalesca, ranagrande and Taiga at least, and it is conform to you previously established mode of operation. And I'm not one to oppose lynching someone for information, generally speaking. So I'm whole-heartedly with you on the concept.

Problem is, I'm fairly certain that killing Yunalesca would be detrimental to the town. Think about it.

Why was Stephen Night Killed when he was obviously about to get modkilled?

He was unprotected - inactives get no defensive RPS, and no sane doc or other defensive role was going to waste their Night and morale protecting a dead man - and I had already revealed that he was a vampire. I very much suspect that Stephen was Night Killed because someone wanted to actively kill him. The Watch's faction morale is influenced by players dying during the Night. Likewise, I very much suspect that whoever killed Stephen did so because Stephen's death would give them bonus morale. And I think the same thing would happen if we were to lynch Yunalesca.


View original postI think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

Yeah, her inactivity is bothersome, though unfortunately not uncharacteristic of Yuna. Normally I'd be fine with lynching her for it, but in this game I see evidence for a vampire-hating scum faction, and I really don't want to help them achieve their goals.

Incidentally, I say "vampire-hating scum faction" because that's as far as the evidence go, but I surmise that this could just be because vampires are a subset of 'foreigners' and we're dealing with the Hippo league here.


View original postI have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"

Have you even been reading my posts?

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1692 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1032 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 706 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 602 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1008 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 954 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1116 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 886 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 910 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 972 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1080 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 970 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1004 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 836 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 925 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 951 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 921 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 992 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 979 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 935 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 905 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1015 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1076 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1079 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 954 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 975 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 840 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 978 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1048 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 967 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 607 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 984 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 630 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 921 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1039 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 908 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 552 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 677 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1034 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 927 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1029 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 923 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 559 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1171 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 960 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 931 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 550 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1029 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 899 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 888 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1032 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 981 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1016 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 996 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 908 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 926 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 999 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1099 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 923 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1039 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1002 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 880 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1033 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 968 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 990 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1178 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1273 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1044 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 925 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 948 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 982 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1082 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1172 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1004 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1179 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 949 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1025 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 861 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1197 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 860 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 688 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 716 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1050 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1025 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 976 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1208 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1280 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1023 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 946 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 956 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1247 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1021 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1097 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 862 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 772 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 935 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1027 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1093 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 970 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1216 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1021 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 777 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 564 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1103 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 922 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1136 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1009 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 809 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 687 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 687 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 562 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 714 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 909 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 827 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1250 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 920 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1168 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 558 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 965 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1176 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 960 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 899 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1100 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 621 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1118 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1225 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1192 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 572 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 662 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 585 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1260 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1194 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 613 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 746 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 746 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1187 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1308 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1256 Views

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