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Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM

View original postNon-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.

The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.


You think you know how the Watch works better than me? The goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills, but it doesn't immediately lose if one occurs, otherwise we'd be out already. Eliminating a known scum would add one more failed Night to our tally, but that has to be measured against preventing that scum from committing Night Kills in perpetuity. Just because the option exists doesn't mean it's intended to be used. My StarCraft mafia game had actual suicide goons.

The point here is that you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what Stephen's role, alignments and objectives were, and you don't know what the vampires are up to. And yet there's one thing you've been certain of since Day 1, and that's that the vampires need to die. You've just been trying to throw up arguments to get to that end as they come along.


View original postSo, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.


Again, your argument is built around the admittance that the vampires cannot be a normal scum faction. They could be some unorthodox scum faction, but by very virtue of being unorthodox, they are also unlikely. I am still of the opinion that a regular scum faction exists, and would rather focus on that than of some entirely hypothetical vampiric scum faction whose methods, motives and organisation you can only guess at.

Because in the end, you cannot pin any crime on the vampires thus far, but we do know that there has been a Night Kill. I would be far more interested in figuring out the guilty party behind that, rather than going on ghost hunts.


View original postAs to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

See, now this I can believe. I don't remember everyone you've tried to get lynched this game but it does include Yunalesca, ranagrande and Taiga at least, and it is conform to you previously established mode of operation. And I'm not one to oppose lynching someone for information, generally speaking. So I'm whole-heartedly with you on the concept.

Problem is, I'm fairly certain that killing Yunalesca would be detrimental to the town. Think about it.

Why was Stephen Night Killed when he was obviously about to get modkilled?

He was unprotected - inactives get no defensive RPS, and no sane doc or other defensive role was going to waste their Night and morale protecting a dead man - and I had already revealed that he was a vampire. I very much suspect that Stephen was Night Killed because someone wanted to actively kill him. The Watch's faction morale is influenced by players dying during the Night. Likewise, I very much suspect that whoever killed Stephen did so because Stephen's death would give them bonus morale. And I think the same thing would happen if we were to lynch Yunalesca.


View original postI think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

Yeah, her inactivity is bothersome, though unfortunately not uncharacteristic of Yuna. Normally I'd be fine with lynching her for it, but in this game I see evidence for a vampire-hating scum faction, and I really don't want to help them achieve their goals.

Incidentally, I say "vampire-hating scum faction" because that's as far as the evidence go, but I surmise that this could just be because vampires are a subset of 'foreigners' and we're dealing with the Hippo league here.


View original postI have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"

Have you even been reading my posts?

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1775 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1102 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 736 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 637 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1085 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1035 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1195 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 953 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 986 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1045 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1153 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1044 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1082 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 912 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 972 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1022 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 989 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1070 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1053 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1011 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 984 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1102 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1154 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1163 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1005 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1056 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 918 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1051 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1118 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1060 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 643 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1054 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 671 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 971 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1106 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 986 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 591 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 715 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1116 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1004 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1107 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 988 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 590 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1277 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1036 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1008 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 587 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1108 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 977 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 953 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1115 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1054 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1094 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1060 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 979 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1000 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1075 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1175 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1004 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1113 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1076 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 965 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1113 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1051 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1076 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1250 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1363 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1113 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 998 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1023 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1053 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1157 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1246 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1076 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1264 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1031 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1105 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 940 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1277 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 944 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 721 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 748 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1128 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1108 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1050 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1278 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1358 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1097 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1024 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1037 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1322 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1105 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1177 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 934 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 806 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1015 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1098 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1173 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1044 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1289 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1100 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 810 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 598 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1214 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 993 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1212 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1086 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 847 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 725 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 724 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 598 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 750 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 984 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 908 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1321 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 988 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1214 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 597 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1047 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1258 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1043 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 982 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1177 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 654 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1207 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1298 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1261 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 602 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 703 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 622 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1348 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1275 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 648 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 785 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 781 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1268 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1388 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1331 Views

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