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Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM

Non-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.


The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.

A Serial Killer is a lone wolf, trying to kill everyone. It seems very unlikely that you would have a vampire/watch/serial killer, and have another vampire that was not related in some way. The narrative is all wrong. I very much doubt that Stephen was the "bad" vampire and Yuna is a "good" vampire.

So, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.



As to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

I think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

We lose little by lynching her. We would gain, at the very least, a lot of information, not only from her death message, but from how this Days-long debate has been interacted with all players. We would also, if I'm right, be removing an anti-town predator.

I have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"


(and no, my role has nothing to do with vampires. I've just somehow become this anti-vampire crusader because it is the ONLY lead we have)

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2055 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1364 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 899 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 831 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1333 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1286 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1438 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1201 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1219 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1305 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1407 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1291 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1316 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1153 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1205 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1257 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1222 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1351 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1286 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1229 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1203 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1377 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1387 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1391 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1254 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1292 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1186 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1292 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1371 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1309 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 811 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1304 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 857 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1203 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1369 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1236 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 740 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 890 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1373 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1250 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1356 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1264 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 760 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1578 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1279 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1234 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 743 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1355 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1257 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1194 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1338 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1290 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1380 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1316 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1242 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1235 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1330 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1408 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1295 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1344 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1112 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1343 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1212 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1335 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1281 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1389 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1532 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1598 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1363 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1235 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1287 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1300 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1405 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1471 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1355 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1535 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1287 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1355 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1187 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1675 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1185 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 881 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 921 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1387 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1353 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1280 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1678 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1737 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1387 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1277 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1300 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1725 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1340 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1408 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1166 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 960 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1258 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1344 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1408 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1273 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1703 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1380 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 985 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 760 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1629 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1254 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1587 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1392 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1004 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1316 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1022 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 908 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 901 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 745 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 922 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1264 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1144 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1689 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1220 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1592 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 755 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1295 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1643 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1279 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1262 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1544 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 817 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1599 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1685 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1632 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 753 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 892 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 761 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1764 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1676 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 809 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 964 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 938 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1649 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1790 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1737 Views

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