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Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM

Non-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.


The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.

A Serial Killer is a lone wolf, trying to kill everyone. It seems very unlikely that you would have a vampire/watch/serial killer, and have another vampire that was not related in some way. The narrative is all wrong. I very much doubt that Stephen was the "bad" vampire and Yuna is a "good" vampire.

So, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.



As to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

I think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

We lose little by lynching her. We would gain, at the very least, a lot of information, not only from her death message, but from how this Days-long debate has been interacted with all players. We would also, if I'm right, be removing an anti-town predator.

I have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"


(and no, my role has nothing to do with vampires. I've just somehow become this anti-vampire crusader because it is the ONLY lead we have)

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1941 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1266 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 855 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 760 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1253 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1198 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1364 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1124 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1148 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1218 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1322 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1209 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1243 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1073 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1132 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1184 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1152 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1237 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1218 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1170 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1139 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1265 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1320 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1327 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1200 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1217 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1079 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1221 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1277 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1239 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 763 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1233 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 798 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1133 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1280 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1154 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 705 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 838 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1294 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1177 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1290 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1146 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 713 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1452 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1206 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1164 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 701 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1282 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1150 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1112 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1267 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1225 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1260 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1231 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1140 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1165 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1237 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1336 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1163 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1273 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1053 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1252 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1136 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1283 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1212 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1297 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1447 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1532 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1278 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1168 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1195 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1230 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1332 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1405 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1294 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1445 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1205 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1276 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1103 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1599 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1104 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 839 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 875 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1294 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1288 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1212 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1576 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1668 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1291 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1196 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1213 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1650 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1271 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1348 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1088 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 932 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1184 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1271 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1332 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1211 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1621 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1293 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 947 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 719 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1540 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1171 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1529 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1255 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 980 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 856 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 851 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 711 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 885 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1163 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1077 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1624 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1155 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1519 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 721 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1209 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1576 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1211 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1160 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1487 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 777 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1517 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1612 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1563 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 717 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 831 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 732 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1692 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1599 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 768 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 923 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 908 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1569 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1686 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1645 Views

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