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Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM

Non-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.


The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.

A Serial Killer is a lone wolf, trying to kill everyone. It seems very unlikely that you would have a vampire/watch/serial killer, and have another vampire that was not related in some way. The narrative is all wrong. I very much doubt that Stephen was the "bad" vampire and Yuna is a "good" vampire.

So, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.



As to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

I think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

We lose little by lynching her. We would gain, at the very least, a lot of information, not only from her death message, but from how this Days-long debate has been interacted with all players. We would also, if I'm right, be removing an anti-town predator.

I have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"


(and no, my role has nothing to do with vampires. I've just somehow become this anti-vampire crusader because it is the ONLY lead we have)

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1967 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1288 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 863 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 775 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1268 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1218 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1382 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1144 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1165 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1242 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1345 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1229 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1262 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1095 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1148 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1205 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1168 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1260 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1233 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1189 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1156 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1284 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1341 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1343 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1217 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1240 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1096 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1239 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1295 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1260 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 773 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1245 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 806 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1153 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1300 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1176 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 713 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 850 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1313 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1197 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1309 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1172 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 723 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1470 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1225 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1180 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 711 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1301 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1170 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1130 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1286 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1243 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1282 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1250 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1158 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1180 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1258 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1357 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1181 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1291 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1067 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1272 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1154 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1297 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1231 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1335 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1465 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1549 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1297 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1184 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1221 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1247 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1354 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1421 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1313 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1473 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1232 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1295 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1125 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1611 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1125 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 850 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 885 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1313 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1307 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1232 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1614 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1681 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1315 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1217 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1230 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1665 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1289 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1366 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1105 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 941 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1203 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1291 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1349 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1230 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1637 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1315 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 958 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 730 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1557 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1192 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1542 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1273 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 990 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 867 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 863 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 720 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 895 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1190 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1097 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1638 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1175 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1536 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 729 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1229 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1594 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1235 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1184 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1505 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 787 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1534 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1625 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1578 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 728 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 857 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 740 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1708 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1612 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 777 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 931 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 917 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1587 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1713 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1662 Views

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