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Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande Send a noteboard - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM

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View original postA Night Kill is a night kill. Sure, it's possible it was a vigilante thing, but even vigilantes are only barely on the pro-town side of things.

That's not the point at all. The point is that with four victory objectives, she was almost assuredly part of multiple factions, and you have no idea which one has the night kill.

You would know more about that then the rest of us. Which of Stephen's factions are you a member of?
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View original postWhen you're in a crowd of unknowns, you need to take some chances. This crowd is a sea of blank faces, except one of those faces has fangs, and is dripping blood. That's more than enough for a lynch in a game of Mafia.

We're in a crowd of unknowns, but we do know something. And that one thing is that the only known murder was almost assuredly not committed by a vampire. That would seem to make vampires the least likely suspects in the game thus far.

We don't know anything like that. Yunalesca claimed that not only was she not part of a faction with Stephen, but that she didn't even know there were other vampires in the game. If that's true, then there's no reason why vampires wouldn't target each other. If it's not true, then we should lynch Yuna for lying.
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View original postEntirely possible- which means we have a VAMPIRE ATTACKING US. How do you not see that as a bad thing?

Because I am concerned with scum factions and night kills, not your mild discomfort. There is no evidence for the vampires being related to either of those.

There is no evidence for anyone else either. At least this is a lead, and it's a much better one than your baseless accusation of me.
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View original postWhether it works or not is immaterial. I said that the existence of the garlic soap means that there is the possibility of being attacked by undead. You just agreed that it was likely I was attacked by the undead last night.

Or it means that Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler believes that this game is filled with gullible saps willing to pay hard-earned Morale points for completely unproven merchandise that caters to their own fears and biases.

I'd like to remind you of this post of yours from Day 2. The anti-undead soap is a far stronger message from the mod about our enemies than your imaginary lines between events that somehow convinced you that I was an evil hippo.
View original postHere's what it boils down to. We agree that there is a strong possibility of the existence of undead that can attack other players. We know of a player who is undead. Why should we not lynch her? What better candidate is there?

Or would you like us to no-lynch, again?


I'd be fine with lynching Yunalesca. Of course, as I've said on previous days, I'm fine with lynching anyone other than me. It's probably a moot point though. I fully expect today to drag out to another deadline no-lynch.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1788 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1112 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 746 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 645 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1098 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1048 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1207 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 966 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 999 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1061 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1167 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1055 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1093 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 922 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 983 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1035 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1002 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1083 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1066 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1023 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 996 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1115 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1167 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1174 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1019 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 921 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1070 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 930 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1065 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1132 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1071 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 653 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1068 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 680 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 981 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 632 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1118 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1005 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 598 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 723 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1129 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1013 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1124 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1002 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 597 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1288 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1049 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1019 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1104 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1095 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 595 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1119 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 992 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 964 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1129 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1064 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1107 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1073 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 991 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1012 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1085 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1185 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1016 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1127 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1035 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 903 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 960 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1090 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 978 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1127 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1061 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1088 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1266 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1006 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1375 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1124 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1011 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1034 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1066 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1168 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1262 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1100 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1286 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1042 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1119 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 950 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1293 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 954 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 728 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 756 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1140 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1123 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1061 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1293 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1375 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1110 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1040 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 623 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1049 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1339 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1299 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1120 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1190 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 946 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 814 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1029 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1112 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1185 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1057 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1310 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1112 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 819 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 604 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 852 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 575 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1229 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1082 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1278 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1005 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1226 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1144 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 835 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1097 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 857 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 735 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 732 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 606 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 758 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 996 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 922 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1340 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1001 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1227 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 604 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1060 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1274 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1058 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1002 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1193 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 663 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1222 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1313 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1431 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 658 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 748 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1277 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 610 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 712 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 631 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1364 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1293 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 654 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 799 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 789 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1289 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1408 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1348 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 830 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 879 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1736 Views
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