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Re: Nice try. Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM

View original postI have been entirely consistent in this game. Yesterday, enough people claimed to be able to win without lynching that I found it plausible. As I've said, I'm a Survivor. That means that if anyone wins while I'm still alive, I win too. So if the town in this game can win without lynching, then I also could win without lynching.

That's the part I now doubt. It has nothing to do with my role. I don't believe your role.


I honestly find this somewhat ironic considering you basically backtracked into claiming a Survivor yesterday (after F-T admitted that he wasn't a survivor, and couple others also claimed to have similar win conditions). So, the claim to me is kind of shaky that way, but not so much so that it is unbelievable. But is there anyone who would be able to confirm your night actions? You claimed to be a roleblocker, right? Did you take any actions yet? I believe you already said you didn't do anything Night 1. Also, I guess whoever is the thief would be able to confirm you character role, now that they have your hat (although that doesn't say anything about your alignment).


Why the sudden change?

Isaac recently posted a deadline message, and ended it with:

View original postLast note: Chess, Checkers, Monopoly, etc are specific games with specific rules. You can vary them a bit, for fun and something new, but the core concept of the game needs to remain or its a different game, which is fine but you wouldn't call it Chess anymore if you did. People might disagree on what the core concept of chess is, but if someone said they thought the core of the game revolved around protecting your king while checkmating the other guy's then anything that removes that component wouldn't be, in their eyes, chess anymore. So if you know what they consider the core concept you may safely assume it remains. Deduction, a core component of most strategy games, would allow one to make an educated guess what a given person considered that core concept to be with some searching but ideally it should be in the rules of the game itself, or so I have always felt.

OK, so let's look at the <a href"http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/217084/">rules</a>, conveniently written by Isaac, our moderator. Look at the topic headings. "Introduction," "Do's and Do Not's," "The Lynch." Clearly, Isaac considers lynching to be a "core concept" in mafia, and he would not have posted as he did if the town could win without lynching.

My statements yesterday presupposed that you were telling the truth, and that is something I no longer believe. Perhaps you're part of a cult, as beetnemesis has theorized. In any event, you're not what you say you are. The only reason I voted for Taiga instead of for you is that he's already got a vote against him.

Now whether you're a cult or some other scum faction, I, as a Survivor, could still win as long as you won. So why would I stick my neck out for the town like this? The answer is simple, and I suspect is the same reason that prompted Isaac to post as he did.

All these deadline no-lynches are boring.


I'm not completely convinced he is talking about lynching per se. To me, the more confusing aspect of this game is that we don't really know who is "good" and who is "bad"; at times, the native Ankh-Morporkians seem like the bad guys (Hippos) and other times they are the victims (today's bridge attack). We also have a confirmed Undead Vampire who was a part of the Watch and could carry out a Night Kill. However, he himself was killed, so that suggests what you referred to as a TANK. I'm going to guess the Watch is a pro-town force, but knowing the little I do about AM/DW, the patrician isn't always a good guy, right?

So, I read his message more as an explanation that, yes, there are conventional town and scum factions at play. As for lynching, it certainly does seem a "core" part of mafia and I'm not opposed to lynching scum. However, our role messages being what they are, you can't blame us for taking what appears the safest route (no lynch) towards victory. And as for it being boring... well, that's not the players' fault for playing to win; that's something the mod should have thought about if in fact that was something he wanted to avoid.

Anyway, I see a couple votes for Taiga. From what I've read and reread, the case against him is shallow at best. Artsapat voted him because he think he's lying about the zombie visiting him last night. I look forward to hearing a more detailed explanation, but I'm not seeing why this is true, or why it's even concerning. So far, we can't tell that the zombie has had any effect on anyone, and we have no proof that it was sent by someone in the first place.

You seem to be voting him just so we can lynch someone. So with that whopping amount of evidence, I will once again have to abstain. It does seem though that F-T and other have hinted that the game is slow so far because people are building/preserving morale, hopefully for some more action later. I trust F-T, so I'm likely to no-lynch again today unless something big comes up.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2059 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 848 Views
Not a modkill - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1110 Views
Also not a self-kill - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1190 Views
Notes from Mod - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1183 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1196 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1703 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1343 Views
We have learned quite a bit. - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1265 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1232 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1150 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1094 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1163 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1115 Views
Did your hat do anything? - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1118 Views
No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1166 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 732 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1190 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 706 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 711 Views
He might've been replaced. - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1110 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1257 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1220 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1137 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1139 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1190 Views
Question [table] - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1238 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1062 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 716 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 681 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 713 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1129 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1190 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1562 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 718 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1235 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 720 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1085 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1260 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 687 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 655 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1091 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 695 Views
You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1134 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 690 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 652 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 703 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1455 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1216 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 742 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 653 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 751 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1233 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1101 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 650 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1091 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 681 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 650 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 675 Views
Event Resolution - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1189 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 748 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1077 Views
And? What happened to you guys? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1158 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1699 Views
Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1029 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1148 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1098 Views
As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 659 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 664 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 674 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1120 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1117 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1041 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1193 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1099 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1098 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1132 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1212 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1055 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1033 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1056 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 671 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1074 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1254 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1138 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 578 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1350 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 638 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1042 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1017 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 717 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1405 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1113 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1043 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1076 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1690 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1212 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1426 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1057 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1009 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1180 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1035 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1116 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1091 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1280 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1335 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 676 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1074 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1061 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1135 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1164 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1150 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1075 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1062 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1111 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1128 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1148 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1256 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1091 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1097 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1057 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1161 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1038 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1116 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 637 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1074 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 759 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1036 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1089 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1010 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1212 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1117 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1089 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1067 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 642 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1071 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1116 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1156 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1122 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 776 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1056 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 994 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1080 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1068 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1115 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 650 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1052 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1121 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1213 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1337 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1135 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1060 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1438 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1128 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1110 Views

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