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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM

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I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.


So are you claiming to be a killing role? Or that you need to kill people to win? Also, Yuna claimed to not have an NK ability. That doesn't say anything about her victory conditions, however.
http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281493/
So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

I don't know why you assume it's necessarily a town attribute. It could just as well be a mafia one, requiring elimination of the town, or in this case, perhaps a specific race or group or whatever.
As for there being Cultists, they would still have a condition that requires them to eliminate threats to the cult (mafia), since mafia usually can't be recruited to a cult.
So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

Odd logic. FT was the first one who made the claim that he didn't need to kill/eliminate anyone. Rana actually challenged that claim. I and then Taiga echoed FT's sentiments and after all that, Rana ended up backing off and then basically agreeing with both of us. He wasn't the first to make this claim by any means...
May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?

No, I was not visited by a zombie, I just saw him in the street. ? also saw him but was not visited. I don't know what happened to him or what his significance is, but he seems to have disappeared.
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

Hm, are you saying he sent the zombie to someone's house? That's interesting, but who could do that?
(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

I'd also like to know what that means, as I haven't read DW.
Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

I don't know the lore, but Stephen's role (a vampire) clearly wasn't a cultist. As Bergoiyn mentioned, zombies in DW don't multiply that way. There could still be a cult, but I don't think the undead would be involved. Instead, we have evidence of "pamphlets speak of a distant god named Om" (Day 1 intro) that sound much more likely to be Cult suspects.
Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.


I would like to know if you think Taiga sent the zombie. Is that why you are voting him? It's not something I thought of, I'll have to go back and read that context again.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 1974 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 806 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1022 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1098 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1089 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1101 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1613 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1260 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1173 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1146 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1065 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1000 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1074 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1033 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1022 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1071 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 681 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1096 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 660 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 669 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1018 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1162 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1130 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1058 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1043 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1110 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1138 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 978 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 676 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 640 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 658 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1051 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1099 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1465 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 677 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1137 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 681 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1045 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1153 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 648 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 616 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 999 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 650 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1048 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 657 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 608 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 665 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1401 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1136 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 702 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 609 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 708 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1144 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1020 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 604 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1007 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 639 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 609 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 632 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1104 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 699 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1019 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1071 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 630 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1605 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 942 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1061 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 999 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 625 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 619 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 631 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1036 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1033 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 951 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1108 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1008 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1037 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1045 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1101 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 969 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 972 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 962 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 632 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 979 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1154 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1098 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 532 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1248 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 597 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 949 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 928 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 675 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1317 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1026 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 966 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 992 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1603 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1148 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1331 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 979 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 912 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1090 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 944 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1035 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1009 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1192 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1252 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 633 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 979 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1004 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1052 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1070 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 984 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 960 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1018 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1254 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 994 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1001 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1040 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1066 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1177 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1009 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1008 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 966 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1072 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 943 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1011 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 597 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 981 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 720 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 960 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1003 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 912 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1126 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1016 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1002 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 985 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 589 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 999 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1041 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1067 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1039 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 731 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 983 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 910 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 983 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 972 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1025 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 607 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 963 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1030 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1121 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1275 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1034 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 983 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1357 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1041 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1020 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1006 Views
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