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The issue here is that I don't know what people's objectives actually are. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 07/10/2013 08:49:08 AM

I've been trying to find a way of bringing this up without outright claiming, but in the end, here's the simple fact: my role does not require me to eliminate anybody. It's unambiguously pro-town, but I don't win, say, when every mafia is eliminated.

I've been suspecting that we may have... not exactly a faction war, but competing factions with their own objectives that may or may not intertwine. Say, members of the Hippo League win when everybody not from Ankh-Morpork is eliminated, which does not necessarily mean everybody outside the League. And another faction must eliminate people from a different set of criteria. Or maybe other groups have other faction-specific goals.

Anyway, without even a general notion of who it is we are supposed to lynch, it's hard for me to get down on specific cases for lynch, and with a role objective which doesn't give me a direct incentive to lynch (I do have indirect incentive, I'm not saying I'm going to no-lynch all game) I really don't see myself hanging anyone toDay. Given the complicated game setup, I think for once the Night really would contribute valuable information.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 1 - The Phantom Dentist (Day Complete) Isaac - 26/09/2013 03:13:39 AM 9336 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 26/09/2013 03:56:19 AM 1352 Views
Notes on role powers Isaac - 26/09/2013 02:36:38 PM 1109 Views
Note on Events Isaac - 28/09/2013 09:05:23 AM 1039 Views
Bah, now I feel like I have to read Discworld. ranagrande - 26/09/2013 05:14:22 AM 1112 Views
I read The Sword of Shannara because the PC game came with a copy of the book. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/09/2013 05:32:00 AM 831 Views
It's worth your time. Stephen - 26/09/2013 01:34:09 PM 1136 Views
Ha, what game got you to read WoT? beetnemesis - 26/09/2013 06:15:00 PM 1055 Views
a MUD called "The Fires of Heaven" ranagrande - 26/09/2013 07:27:50 PM 1548 Views
for me it was the other way around: first books then MUD Taiga - 26/09/2013 07:40:11 PM 1083 Views
Don't you make me feel old, young man! *NM* Artsapat - 27/09/2013 08:54:58 AM 708 Views
Re: Bah, now I feel like I have to read Discworld. Yunalesca - 26/09/2013 07:13:16 PM 1072 Views
Re: Bah, now I feel like I have to read Discworld. Bergioyn - 26/09/2013 08:10:28 PM 1032 Views
Me too, seems interesting.. *NM* Praziquantel - 26/09/2013 10:29:25 PM 774 Views
That National Anthem may be the greatest thing I have heard today. Fanatic-Templar - 26/09/2013 05:29:14 AM 1166 Views
Re: That National Anthem may be the greatest thing I have heard today. Taiga - 26/09/2013 12:53:43 PM 968 Views
Present. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/09/2013 07:28:34 AM 632 Views
Present *NM* Praziquantel - 26/09/2013 12:49:01 PM 745 Views
Present *NM* Stephen - 26/09/2013 01:34:53 PM 856 Views
Here! *NM* Yunalesca - 26/09/2013 04:08:49 PM 855 Views
Present! *NM* beetnemesis - 26/09/2013 06:17:20 PM 779 Views
But dear Morporkians, we got a murder to solve Taiga - 26/09/2013 07:50:32 PM 1043 Views
But why would the trolls bother using a battering ram? Bergioyn - 26/09/2013 08:12:34 PM 1111 Views
EBWOP: "until it fell down" Bergioyn - 26/09/2013 08:13:09 PM 1040 Views
you're right. We can rule out Golems too for the same reason *NM* Taiga - 26/09/2013 10:29:08 PM 725 Views
Plus, Trolls do not "strike" me as intelligent enough to build an unseen ram-tip. Artsapat - 27/09/2013 08:58:15 AM 1176 Views
Re: Plus, Trolls do not "strike" me as intelligent enough to build an unseen ram-tip. Yunalesca - 27/09/2013 10:35:07 AM 974 Views
You mean, since it's nearly October? Artsapat - 27/09/2013 11:53:44 AM 1191 Views
I don't know any of this lore at all. Praziquantel - 26/09/2013 10:35:03 PM 1108 Views
maybe the discworld wiki that Isaac already mentioned? *NM* Taiga - 27/09/2013 07:55:14 AM 795 Views
Re: maybe the discworld wiki that Isaac already mentioned? Praziquantel - 30/09/2013 03:39:35 PM 1155 Views
Re: maybe the discworld wiki that Isaac already mentioned? Isaac - 30/09/2013 04:14:20 PM 1113 Views
Ah, alright Praziquantel - 30/09/2013 04:16:35 PM 1206 Views
So gathering from what we've seen Artsapat - 27/09/2013 10:21:36 AM 1161 Views
Re: So gathering from what we've seen Bergioyn - 27/09/2013 02:34:03 PM 1160 Views
But still, the assessin's guild will then get involved Artsapat - 27/09/2013 03:55:21 PM 1102 Views
Re: But still, the assessin's guild will then get involved Bergioyn - 27/09/2013 06:11:25 PM 1112 Views
RBIRL 9/27-9/30 Praziquantel - 26/09/2013 10:43:29 PM 1074 Views
Euhm. I didn't notice until now Artsapat - 27/09/2013 12:00:03 PM 1110 Views
I actually can't remember any dentistry in Discworld lore, hm. *NM* beetnemesis - 28/09/2013 03:09:31 AM 759 Views
EVENT!!! Isaac - 28/09/2013 08:45:46 AM 1452 Views
Well... That answers my dentistry question. Artsapat - 28/09/2013 07:31:13 PM 1031 Views
Re: Well... That answers my dentistry question. Yunalesca - 28/09/2013 09:58:40 PM 1045 Views
Humans, dwarves and trolls appear commonly enough... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2013 05:37:08 AM 1162 Views
Gargoyles too. *NM* Bergioyn - 29/09/2013 06:53:43 AM 672 Views
EBWOP: And Undead (Vampires and Zombies). *NM* Bergioyn - 29/09/2013 06:54:34 AM 652 Views
I'm only up to Pyramids, thus far Undead haven't been common in Ankh-Morpork. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2013 06:59:32 AM 753 Views
Maybe it's more accurate to say that they aren't uncommon. *NM* Bergioyn - 29/09/2013 07:56:17 AM 626 Views
Well, they even have their own bar in Ankh-Morpork Artsapat - 29/09/2013 12:18:27 PM 1060 Views
ahaha, Yunalesca - 29/09/2013 01:59:59 PM 1197 Views
Sorry I haven't posted in the last few days, kinda RBIRL Stephen - 28/09/2013 09:49:08 PM 1060 Views
Same, but I'm here now. ? - 30/09/2013 12:57:04 AM 973 Views
Me too, therefore missed the event :S *NM* Taiga - 30/09/2013 07:51:41 AM 680 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline is tonight (Sunday) *NM* Isaac - 29/09/2013 05:24:34 PM 764 Views
Back from RBIRL Praziquantel - 30/09/2013 02:56:18 AM 1074 Views
Re: Back from RBIRL Sacrilicious Toast - 30/09/2013 11:04:36 AM 1010 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/09/2013 12:03:59 PM 1240 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 30/09/2013 03:04:33 PM 1095 Views
So did anyone pick option 2? Praziquantel - 30/09/2013 04:26:56 PM 1158 Views
I did. ranagrande - 30/09/2013 08:02:59 PM 1191 Views
Hah *NM* beetnemesis - 30/09/2013 11:16:03 PM 646 Views
Interesting Praziquantel - 01/10/2013 09:27:31 PM 1208 Views
I did aswell. Bergioyn - 30/09/2013 09:09:32 PM 1095 Views
nope *NM* Yunalesca - 30/09/2013 11:14:57 PM 864 Views
I did, and as above. Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2013 02:42:45 AM 1039 Views
EBWOP: The victim, that is. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2013 02:43:17 AM 751 Views
I can confirm that. ranagrande - 01/10/2013 04:00:22 AM 1009 Views
Well, that basically settles my speculation then - We're up against the Hippo League *NM* Artsapat - 01/10/2013 02:33:41 PM 739 Views
Except the pamphlet was on the victim. Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2013 06:46:18 PM 1026 Views
Or it could have been a calling card? *NM* Bergioyn - 01/10/2013 06:48:30 PM 669 Views
Huh. That's a good point. Artsapat - 01/10/2013 07:20:17 PM 1035 Views
Who knows. It could also be completely unrelated. Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2013 10:25:22 PM 1005 Views
Re: Who knows. It could also be completely unrelated. Artsapat - 02/10/2013 10:04:41 AM 1056 Views
Well Praziquantel - 01/10/2013 09:41:36 PM 1075 Views
That's a good parallel you're pointing out Artsapat - 02/10/2013 10:15:14 AM 1184 Views
to take it even further..or is this ridiculous? Taiga - 02/10/2013 04:00:17 PM 1111 Views
AND C.J. Bailey sold stuff from Klatch. The Omnians are from Klatch too. Is there a connection? *NM* Taiga - 02/10/2013 04:12:23 PM 634 Views
Re: That's a good parallel you're pointing out Praziquantel - 02/10/2013 05:40:36 PM 1096 Views
I'm mostly just happy I'm not senile- I was wracking my brain trying to think of who CJ Bailey was *NM* beetnemesis - 30/09/2013 07:53:51 PM 769 Views
Alright let me see if I can summarize what I know so far Praziquantel - 30/09/2013 04:16:00 PM 1145 Views
Re: Alright let me see if I can summarize what I know so far Sacrilicious Toast - 30/09/2013 07:28:49 PM 1128 Views
I'd say that Dwarves are just as likely to be scum, actually beetnemesis - 30/09/2013 08:00:32 PM 1043 Views
Right then. What questions can we ask ourselves? beetnemesis - 30/09/2013 08:07:18 PM 1044 Views
Probably unwise. Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2013 02:41:15 AM 1079 Views
True. Race? beetnemesis - 01/10/2013 04:36:43 AM 1174 Views
Some clarification please, specifically from you rana. Artsapat - 01/10/2013 07:43:38 PM 1007 Views
Very little of it was serious. ranagrande - 01/10/2013 08:18:36 PM 1106 Views
OK, thank you Artsapat - 02/10/2013 10:17:43 AM 1128 Views
Table -- Event 1 Praziquantel - 01/10/2013 09:31:46 PM 987 Views
Re: Table -- Event 1 Yunalesca - 02/10/2013 10:02:31 AM 1090 Views
Option 4 / Yes. Artsapat - 02/10/2013 10:20:37 AM 1098 Views
Re: Option 4 / Yes. Praziquantel - 02/10/2013 05:42:48 PM 1105 Views
Option1 didn't require any morale either. Bergioyn - 02/10/2013 06:10:20 PM 972 Views
Oh, right Praziquantel - 02/10/2013 11:07:04 PM 1184 Views
I got nothing, no info no reward Taiga - 02/10/2013 11:29:30 PM 989 Views
I did Option 4, and got a small reward *NM* beetnemesis - 02/10/2013 07:13:54 PM 598 Views
Deadline Reminder: Day 1 ends Wednesday the 9th Isaac - 03/10/2013 05:08:49 PM 1001 Views
And we're nowhere near a lynch... Taiga - 03/10/2013 05:34:05 PM 1114 Views
OK, in that case, let me break out two small things I notaced and held up my sleeves until now. Artsapat - 03/10/2013 07:26:38 PM 1016 Views
Hm interesting catch. ? - 03/10/2013 08:21:42 PM 1119 Views
Do you havea possible cult leader vampire in mind? Bergioyn - 03/10/2013 09:24:16 PM 1001 Views
Well if it's yuna's choice to speak like that... ? - 03/10/2013 11:30:16 PM 1008 Views
I agree. But if Artsapat has more to go by I'd like to hear it. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/10/2013 05:23:08 AM 732 Views
I was considering a possible cult leader Artsapat - 04/10/2013 07:37:06 AM 1010 Views
I didn't think of it earlier too to be honest Taiga - 04/10/2013 09:02:51 AM 1114 Views
I've read many but Carpe Jugdulum isn't one of them. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/10/2013 11:42:39 AM 691 Views
Hm very interesting *NM* ? - 05/10/2013 01:10:30 AM 776 Views
Hah, that's interesting. beetnemesis - 04/10/2013 09:46:06 PM 1140 Views
Re: Hah, that's interesting. Yunalesca - 04/10/2013 10:31:21 PM 966 Views
Ok so where to from here? ? - 05/10/2013 01:13:08 AM 1044 Views
I think we're headed to a no-lynch/deadline Praziquantel - 05/10/2013 03:11:02 AM 1150 Views
The problem is that I'm not entirely sure who we're even supposed to be after. Fanatic-Templar - 05/10/2013 06:16:59 AM 1167 Views
The issue here is that I don't know what people's objectives actually are. Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2013 08:49:08 AM 1072 Views
So you're a Survivor? ranagrande - 07/10/2013 06:56:26 PM 1101 Views
Not exactly. Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2013 09:58:02 PM 1164 Views
One more thing to add with regards to this not lynching thing... Fanatic-Templar - 09/10/2013 04:36:26 AM 1017 Views
Re: The issue here is that I don't know what people's objectives actually are. Praziquantel - 08/10/2013 01:59:49 AM 1119 Views
Hah, wait, what? You are a vampire? beetnemesis - 05/10/2013 01:27:28 PM 960 Views
Actually, no, I am voting. Vote: Yunalesca *NM* beetnemesis - 05/10/2013 01:28:55 PM 771 Views
Well we have until Wednesday. ? - 05/10/2013 06:46:34 PM 1019 Views
Re: Well we have until Wednesday. Yunalesca - 05/10/2013 08:07:59 PM 1111 Views
I'm not voting for her, since she's being doing it deliberately Artsapat - 06/10/2013 08:09:27 PM 1201 Views
If we vote, why not on people who have not contributed? Vote: Sacriligious Toast Artsapat - 06/10/2013 08:15:49 PM 971 Views
Re: If we vote, why not on people who have not contributed? Praziquantel - 06/10/2013 10:10:41 PM 1019 Views
Ah the event ? - 07/10/2013 02:59:39 AM 1063 Views
Thanks, updated *NM* Praziquantel - 08/10/2013 01:44:20 AM 657 Views
I agree, I don't find yuna suspicious at the moment. *NM* Bergioyn - 06/10/2013 08:57:10 PM 649 Views
Agreed Praziquantel - 06/10/2013 10:13:30 PM 990 Views
My guess is more that a vampire will be an independent operator beetnemesis - 07/10/2013 06:13:04 PM 1104 Views
Re: I agree, I don't find yuna suspicious at the moment. Sacrilicious Toast - 07/10/2013 04:59:21 PM 1028 Views
"Kill 'im"... ? - 08/10/2013 12:19:01 AM 1004 Views
Not to mention the aggressive accusation of Berg *NM* ? - 08/10/2013 12:44:21 AM 701 Views
It might be. Altought he does speak in somewhat whimsical fashion IRL too. *NM* Bergioyn - 08/10/2013 09:44:06 AM 763 Views
Re: It might be. Altought he does speak in somewhat whimsical fashion IRL too. Sacrilicious Toast - 08/10/2013 07:05:26 PM 1135 Views
Ah so it doesn't mean anything gamewise...nevermind *NM* ? - 08/10/2013 09:37:08 PM 650 Views
What we are after.. Taiga - 05/10/2013 07:59:12 PM 1209 Views
This is more of a percentage vote, for me. beetnemesis - 05/10/2013 08:16:51 PM 1126 Views
RBIRL - from Sat to Wed Artsapat - 05/10/2013 05:39:18 AM 1117 Views
I'll reiterate that I would really like a character claim by Yuna beetnemesis - 08/10/2013 02:38:29 AM 1049 Views
Because DW is full of 'deadly' creatures Taiga - 08/10/2013 07:19:35 AM 1013 Views
Eh... beetnemesis - 08/10/2013 03:26:42 PM 1094 Views
Re: I'll reiterate that I would really like a character claim by Yuna Yunalesca - 08/10/2013 04:23:04 PM 1383 Views
Twilight Isaac - 10/10/2013 02:45:47 AM 956 Views
Mod Notes Isaac - 10/10/2013 05:47:13 AM 1042 Views
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