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Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM

View original post1) He was originally flagged as suspicious for minimal participation, considered an anti-town action. He came up lowest in 4 methods:

I did- was busy at work, and since not much conversation had happened, I hadn't made a substantial post yet.



View original post2) Upon coming up topping all those methods he posted in to hypothesize about game make up, at which point I felt his suggestions strongly implied he possessed some game relevant information as the suggestions were otherwise random and counter-indicated by the minimal knowledge of the game we had. The principle theories raised focused on multiple scum factions, a rare thing in a game of this size and while grounds for a mod to want many players to help absorb the extra night kills it is very definitely not a reason for a Mod to want 12 players. All options focused on an abnormally powerful scum faction(s).

What I find interesting is that, despite your criticisms, no one has been able to come up with a good reason that Bergioyn asked for specifically 12 players. And I stand by my point that if it was as simple as "doc, cop, and some townies" vs "scum and a roleblocker," that he would not need a specific number- 11 or 13 is just as workable.

My post was based on guesswork and extrapolation- which, for Day One, is pretty much all there is to go on.



View original post3) He accused me, on the grounds I clearly thought he knew something, though he claims to know nothing. This accusation to be logically coherent would require A) That he had guessed and guessed correctly and B) That I was a scummer and C) that I would believe he had not guessed and D) That with all of these I would tip my hand so out of character and incredibly clumsily of fashions. All 4 of these improbable conditions must be true for his accusation to be viable, and thus far he has not even confirmed the first one, he has not yet denied having extra knowledge and has IMO sought to imply he did even as he presents an accusation that can only be true if he does not.

I accused you because you were being uncharacteristically aggressive. We don't need the universe to form a once in a lifetime conflux for you to be scum. It's just as simple to say:

a)That you saw me post something that you thought you could seize on
b)That for whatever reason (either that I hit close to home, or that I was simply a target of opportunity) you figured the best defense was a strong offense


I haven't implied I have any extra knowledge beyond the ability to do simple arithmetic.




View original post4) He was asked by multiple players to role claim, a customary request when one is considered a primary lynch candidate, which is obviously the case. He was also reminded that any delay would damage the credibility of his claim, he has neither roleclaimed nor offered any defense or reason why he should not.

I believe "roleclaim" has come up... twice? Ranagrande just (as in, TODAY) asked for one, and I believe someone mentioned it at the beginning of your attack. I'll respond to ranagrande shortly, and I ignored the original one because it was early in the day, and there was no particular push for a roleclaim (and I had other posts to respond to)



View original post5) In his remarks he referenced being 'bussed', a term regularly used here and exclusively to refer to when a scummer votes for another scummer. Revealing slips of this nature are not unheard of even very rare, but may be sheer accident so he was asked to explain it. Rather than claiming it was an innocent slip of words he instead claimed the term did not mean that, and replied evasively when told by the two most senior players that it only means that, including citations of the mafiascum wiki and a post where he himself asked what the term meant and was told, in absolutely unambiguous language, what the term meant, by the moderator of the game herself. He was also challenged to find any use by any player if the term in which his definition was used or even a definition other than the one given. He has not done so, instead claiming that even taking note of the usage is 'grasping at straws', this is not a proper offense but is instead an attempt to discredit the accusation rather than justify his own actions.

This entire point is laughable. What it boils down to is that I mixed up the meanings of "bussed" and "bandwagoned." I apologize that the instruction I received 4 years ago (from a mod nonwithstanding) was not seared into my brain.




View original post6) His entire defense now rests on a counter-accusation at myself,

Actually, my entire defense rests on the fact that I've done nothing wrong. My OFFENSE rests on the fact that anyone who's played with you should be able to realize that you have an agenda.

This isn't an either-or, and the fact that you're trying to make it one further speaks to your duplicity.

Isaac became aggressive towards me immediately after my big post. His entire case against me boils down to:

  • beetnemesis made a rambling post with some odd theories

His other points are just bits and pieces he's picked up to try to make it seem like he has a legitimate accusation.

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 32 - No Fancy Title - Day 1 Bergioyn - 28/07/2013 06:46:40 PM 3352 Views
Present *NM* Isaac - 28/07/2013 07:52:29 PM 896 Views
Reporting in *NM* Praziquantel - 28/07/2013 09:50:47 PM 861 Views
Here. *NM* Hobo - 28/07/2013 10:42:26 PM 895 Views
Present! *NM* Yunalesca - 28/07/2013 11:03:03 PM 931 Views
I stand ready. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/07/2013 01:36:27 AM 896 Views
Helloooooo Players! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 01:54:16 AM 876 Views
So, where to begin? *NM* ranagrande - 29/07/2013 02:43:48 AM 896 Views
Use lube, this is my first time! *NM* Sacrilicious Toast - 29/07/2013 08:26:59 AM 870 Views
I loled *NM* Yunalesca - 29/07/2013 10:31:08 AM 911 Views
Just because of this comment I know he'll fit right in. Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:38:01 AM 1432 Views
Fox is being triggerhappy. *NM* Bergioyn - 01/08/2013 06:08:21 PM 886 Views
It's always fun on day 1! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/08/2013 06:37:26 PM 891 Views
RBIRL from Tuesday to Sunday Yunalesca - 29/07/2013 01:06:35 PM 1491 Views
I'm RBIRL from friday to sunday, myself Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 02:10:19 PM 1592 Views
RBIRL from Wednesday to Saturday. Hobo - 29/07/2013 02:18:47 PM 1489 Views
I'm joining the RBIRL train ranagrande - 31/07/2013 01:50:55 PM 1474 Views
Present *NM* Taiga - 29/07/2013 02:53:40 PM 907 Views
apparently we got no fancy fantasy theme, but straight Mafia *NM* Taiga - 29/07/2013 03:18:18 PM 875 Views
I'm actually kinda glad. I think it was getting too...complicated for me. Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 03:48:33 PM 1513 Views
Agreed, but I would imagine Bergioyn might have some twists in store for us. Praziquantel - 29/07/2013 09:52:30 PM 1441 Views
Eh, Let's just go. IT WAS YOU THAT DID IT, WASN'T IT *NM* beetnemesis - 29/07/2013 10:56:49 PM 859 Views
It was you that done it, now own up! *NM* Isaac - 29/07/2013 11:41:40 PM 880 Views
Okay! I admit it! It was me! Oh wait... were you talking to or him? *NM* Hobo - 30/07/2013 02:31:30 AM 734 Views
Vote: Hobo ranagrande - 30/07/2013 02:43:15 AM 1484 Views
Re: Vote: Hobo Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:27:15 AM 1485 Views
Re: Vote: Hobo Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:44:27 AM 1562 Views
I don't think it was Fox and Ravens - 01/08/2013 12:50:24 PM 1495 Views
If I remember correctly he had some dastatdly plot to catch the scum. Bergioyn - 01/08/2013 04:32:51 PM 1477 Views
He was very unclear on tha tpoint after the fact Isaac - 01/08/2013 11:27:00 PM 1558 Views
No, his plan was actually pretty good. ranagrande - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 AM 1614 Views
How is that a good plan? Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:37:24 AM 1666 Views
Well, believe it or not, I swear it wasn't me this time. I blame s *NM* Praziquantel - 30/07/2013 02:07:38 PM 890 Views
it was probably Isaac but in the end he'll win the game *NM* Taiga - 30/07/2013 05:37:07 PM 880 Views
Rule #1: Isaac wins *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/07/2013 06:18:38 PM 941 Views
Rules are made to be broken. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/07/2013 06:51:38 PM 903 Views
But is this rule able to be broken? *NM* Hobo - 30/07/2013 06:54:22 PM 880 Views
Sure. Last time he lost was game 29. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/07/2013 09:32:45 PM 852 Views
Surely you recall the Marvel[ous] Siege? You were mason buddy Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:14:47 AM 1489 Views
I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 871 Views
I do... Fanatic-Templar - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 1457 Views
Rule #2: Isaac is always suspected, but not lynched. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/07/2013 10:32:57 PM 887 Views
Isaac is like the German Soccer team in this. Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:45:39 AM 1363 Views
Re: Isaac is like the German Soccer team in this. Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:18:52 PM 1558 Views
(here) *NM* beetnemesis - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 850 Views
Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Fox and Ravens - 30/07/2013 12:56:04 PM 1565 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Sacrilicious Toast - 31/07/2013 09:19:11 AM 1594 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:50:16 AM 1442 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:11:33 AM 1457 Views
Activate! *NM* Dannymac - 31/07/2013 03:03:50 AM 874 Views
Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:35:51 AM 1453 Views
Re: Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg Artsapat - 01/08/2013 11:06:23 AM 1459 Views
Okay, getting moving (Table) Isaac - 01/08/2013 11:45:30 PM 1590 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/08/2013 02:32:52 AM 857 Views
Yes, No, No Taiga - 02/08/2013 08:54:12 AM 1496 Views
Re: Yes, No, No Isaac - 02/08/2013 09:50:24 AM 1438 Views
Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 860 Views
Same here. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:54:10 PM 833 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 01:03:24 PM 830 Views
Yes, no, no *NM* Praziquantel - 02/08/2013 08:26:52 PM 791 Views
yes, no, no *NM* Dannymac - 03/08/2013 01:10:00 AM 872 Views
would be nice if one player answered Yes, Yes. Yes now: Lie = lynch *NM* Taiga - 03/08/2013 09:12:07 AM 830 Views
Well I'm reasonably sure some of them will either answer other then yes, no, no or lie Isaac - 03/08/2013 12:29:34 PM 1494 Views
Yes. No. No. Artsapat - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 1382 Views
Re: Yes. No. No. Isaac - 04/08/2013 11:19:03 AM 1454 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* Yunalesca - 03/08/2013 11:06:41 PM 860 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:52:11 PM 728 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:52:47 PM 824 Views
Dangit, I hate when I double post. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:53:29 PM 876 Views
Yes, No No *NM* beetnemesis - 05/08/2013 03:28:03 AM 845 Views
Sorry I didn't have anything new to add... *NM* beetnemesis - 05/08/2013 03:29:28 AM 814 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* ranagrande - 06/08/2013 12:46:10 AM 809 Views
I might as well Unvote before I forget Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 03:32:43 PM 1421 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 03:33:23 PM 1402 Views
Vote: Isaac Dannymac - 03/08/2013 05:09:47 AM 1515 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Isaac - 03/08/2013 07:32:48 AM 1441 Views
The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* Isaac - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 837 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 861 Views
Precisely *NM* Isaac - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 840 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1509 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1460 Views
Baaaack~ Yunalesca - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1465 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info Artsapat - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1499 Views
Well Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 1425 Views
That is correct Artsapat - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 1439 Views
Oh yeah, you're right Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1495 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1510 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1542 Views
I posted I was back.... NLRBIRL *NM* Yunalesca - 05/08/2013 10:25:58 PM 796 Views
Yeah, I missed that. Sorry *NM* Praziquantel - 06/08/2013 03:13:11 AM 866 Views
What's the NL for? RBIRL Real Busy in Real Life, NL=? Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:56:16 AM 1469 Views
Oh, duh, "No Longer" RBIRL *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:57:15 AM 815 Views
Yup *NM* Yunalesca - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 PM 864 Views
would be a very awkward abbreviation Taiga - 07/08/2013 10:05:17 AM 1411 Views
Heh, you're answering a question that wasn't even asked Artsapat - 07/08/2013 10:40:26 AM 1476 Views
I completely see where you guys are coming from. Us small nations need to feel important. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 10:50:39 AM 862 Views
Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1585 Views
Agreed. Random lynches seem like a last resort to me. Hobo - 05/08/2013 08:55:59 PM 1504 Views
Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. ranagrande - 06/08/2013 12:52:25 AM 1543 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1503 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Hobo - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1501 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Fox and Ravens - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1585 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* Yunalesca - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 867 Views
No, I'm sorry, I don't Artsapat - 06/08/2013 02:33:58 PM 1546 Views
No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* Praziquantel - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 853 Views
Nope. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 07:23:00 PM 852 Views
No, nothing on appearance *NM* Taiga - 07/08/2013 09:02:11 PM 853 Views
I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options Isaac - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM 1477 Views
List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1660 Views
explanation Taiga - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1540 Views
Re: explanation Isaac - 06/08/2013 09:47:35 AM 1549 Views
Re: explanation Sacrilicious Toast - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1571 Views
Re: explanation Fox and Ravens - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1503 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... Hobo - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1519 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1450 Views
Your questions ranagrande - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1550 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards ranagrande - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 1483 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much Artsapat - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1540 Views
Well, I'm impressed Isaac - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 1466 Views
I thank you for the compliment. Artsapat - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1510 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1475 Views
Those are fair points Artsapat - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1485 Views
Re: Those are fair points Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1499 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1539 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 839 Views
Better him than me . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 837 Views
Re: Oh dear, this is unfortunate. Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 11:32:12 PM 1460 Views
I was reading Planescape materials and checking this forum slipped my mind. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:48:29 PM 1490 Views
Re: I was reading Planescape materials and checking this forum slipped my mind. Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:04:34 AM 1468 Views
Like I said, it's great that you got things moving and I'm not accusing you of anything. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:08:58 PM 1431 Views
nice analysis Taiga - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 1403 Views
Like I said before, Tables=Death Dannymac - 06/08/2013 07:20:07 PM 1498 Views
Re: Like I said before, Tables=Death Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:22:47 PM 1428 Views
Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Dannymac - 07/08/2013 03:37:36 PM 1423 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 04:11:04 PM 1468 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Isaac - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1493 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1492 Views
He really is... Praziquantel - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1467 Views
I think he's worried I'm going to murder him, wonder where he got that idea? Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:09:07 PM 1454 Views
Re: He really is... Artsapat - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1516 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that Praziquantel - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 1396 Views
BAMF? Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1438 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1491 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1547 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1516 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 1430 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* Isaac - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 809 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1430 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler Isaac - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 1405 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1534 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 1429 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: beetnemesis - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1487 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1531 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1466 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1496 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? Isaac - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1559 Views
Re: Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 1447 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 1391 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* Yunalesca - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 916 Views
A lone one? Maybe 1 in 4 games back when we were fielding 12-18 players as the norm Isaac - 08/08/2013 05:05:09 PM 1473 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1448 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1461 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 1428 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1456 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 1432 Views
re Taiga - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1455 Views
It's terrible. I used to be so active. I was modkilled last game! Oh, the shame... beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:11:28 AM 1435 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Artsapat - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1476 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1453 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Isaac - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1500 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1460 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1591 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim Artsapat - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 1398 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... Isaac - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 1389 Views
The problem with that Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1462 Views
Re: The problem with that Isaac - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 1444 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 1417 Views
That remains one of my favorites Isaac - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 1448 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1467 Views
Yeah, it was one of my first mods, and one of the first really different ones. Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:41:27 PM 1495 Views
You should try it again, though! Just maybe give more explanation this time lol *NM* Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 10:08:45 PM 881 Views
Well, the big twist has already been revealed, so it wouldn't really work . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 10:28:20 PM 834 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 1423 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 1416 Views
My take: beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1600 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1489 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 1430 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 Isaac - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1488 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 1342 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times Isaac - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 1426 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1431 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself Isaac - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 1435 Views
No, he's correct. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1548 Views
Re: My take: Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1528 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 1391 Views
sure Taiga - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 1436 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, Hobo - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1526 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Taiga - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1470 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Isaac - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1518 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1485 Views
I disagree Artsapat - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 1406 Views
Re: I disagree Taiga - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 1390 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet ranagrande - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1434 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... Hobo - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 1435 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1497 Views
No, I meant entrails. ranagrande - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 1398 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 1443 Views
This is awesome- it's like "beetnemesis, This Is Your Life [on RAFO Mafia]" *NM* beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:46:05 PM 832 Views
The way this Day is progressing, it's more like "beetnemesis, This Was Your Life [on RAFO Mafia]" *NM* Artsapat - 11/08/2013 09:56:45 AM 896 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* Hobo - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 827 Views
That's awesome. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 817 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 1394 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1455 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 1325 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1462 Views
I do, but Praziquantel - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 1433 Views
RBIRL Fanatic-Templar - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1444 Views
The case on Beetnemesis Isaac - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1569 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1467 Views
EBWOP: A final point beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1529 Views
Actually... Fanatic-Templar - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1477 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 897 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point Isaac - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1538 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Isaac - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1515 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1455 Views
Correct me if wrong... Hobo - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1483 Views
Exactly! Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1498 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, Hobo - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1466 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... Isaac - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1555 Views
I think you're right. ranagrande - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1687 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Hobo - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1455 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1522 Views
I really want to give beet the benefit of the doubt with the bussing vs bandwagon thing Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 08:15:51 PM 1431 Views
too much mud Taiga - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1539 Views
Alright, haven't fully caught up yet, but I wanted to get my thoughts out there Praziquantel - 10/08/2013 10:36:20 PM 1464 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis Artsapat - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1630 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check Isaac - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1464 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 1427 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? Artsapat - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 1409 Views
Yes. *NM* Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 722 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1512 Views
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