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I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM

We've a number of ways we've done things like this in the past, my own personal favorite is to winnow out the players who don't belong on the list and have the remainder fight it out, like 'the five lowest posters, full posts count as 2, NM as 1" etc. The problem with that is you need to make reasonable exceptions for RBIRL players and newer players.

We've used other means in the past to create that small pool, we've never needed to throw a dice either, but it does ensure we focus our attention. We could argue that the players who have been seen to contribute the least to acquiring information could be selected and required to roleclaim, and we review those normally and typically one will be suspicious, but if not we can always try something else.

To do something like that we need 2 things, 1) A pool size we're aiming to create and 2) Criteria for getting that pool. With 12 players we want to 3-5 I'd say.

Now as to #2 we're essentially talking about "Anti-town by not being pro-town enough" and that's got some fairly default criteria we tend to use. Number of posts, number of Non-NM posts, questions asked, etc. I'd like us to come up with some others if we can, but here's how that stands:

Post Count:
Isaac - 17
Fox and Ravens - 13
Hobo - 10
Artsapat - 9
Praziquantel - 8
Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4
Dannymac - 3
Sacrilicious Toast - 2

That's 90 posts for an average of 7.5, sadly 45 of those 90 are NM posts, exactly half, but nobody's really been disproportionate about it. Also, if it comes down to 'tie-breakers' RBIRL posts, side post like me and rana BSing about game 15, etc aren't exactly 'participation', though they are to a limited degree. Same, the lowest players on that list our our 2 newest players, with the newest lowest. That's not a black mark on them though, they are new, don't know what to ask or what they might say to screw their team. So our bottom 5 not including them seem more valid, I'll leave it to them to discuss NM, RBIRL, or side-posts as value.

We've also got questions asked, but that's a short list, me at 3 and Rana just asked 1, "Did your RM describe your appearance?"

Attacks and defenses are major participation too, but we haven't had much that really counts. We've only had 3 votes, and none really levied evidence or merited a defense. We can add in less overt attacks, and defenses given for others, but I'd leave that for individuals to point out.

Vote: Isaac - Dannymac - 03 Aug 2013 01:09:47 AM
Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - Fox and Ravens - 30 Jul 2013 08:56:04 AM
Vote: Hobo - ranagrande - 29 Jul 2013 10:43:15 PM

On normal votes I'd bring up how skillfully and actively people involved attacked or defended on those votes, voter, target, or neither, but it just doesn't apply.

I'd like to have more criteria, as things stand we'd end up using the following: everyone who spoke less than average, or 7 posts or less;

Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4
Dannymac - 3
Sacrilicious Toast - 2

Then we'd strike the bottom 2, because they're new and if removed early game it will be modkill, and especially with Berg set on 12 so firmly we'd want to give him a chance to come up with a sub, a different player or a qualified sub from the current players who gets axed on day/night 1.

Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4

That's the list I'd work off right now as a base, I follow up shortly with my specific thoughts on each, but again I'd like some more criteria too.

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Re: Vote: Hobo - 01/08/2013 10:44:27 AM 1234 Views
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He was very unclear on tha tpoint after the fact - 01/08/2013 11:27:00 PM 1226 Views
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Rules are made to be broken. *NM* - 30/07/2013 06:51:38 PM 756 Views
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Sure. Last time he lost was game 29. *NM* - 30/07/2013 09:32:45 PM 719 Views
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I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 724 Views
I do... - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 1146 Views
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(here) *NM* - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 706 Views
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Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - 31/07/2013 09:19:11 AM 1273 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - 01/08/2013 10:50:16 AM 1119 Views
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Activate! *NM* - 31/07/2013 03:03:50 AM 737 Views
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Okay, getting moving (Table) - 01/08/2013 11:45:30 PM 1259 Views
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Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 718 Views
Same here. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:54:10 PM 691 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* - 02/08/2013 01:03:24 PM 683 Views
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Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 1062 Views
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Sorry I didn't have anything new to add... *NM* - 05/08/2013 03:29:28 AM 681 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* - 06/08/2013 12:46:10 AM 666 Views
I might as well Unvote before I forget - 02/08/2013 03:32:43 PM 1093 Views
EBWOP - 02/08/2013 03:33:23 PM 1073 Views
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Re: Vote: Isaac - 03/08/2013 07:32:48 AM 1106 Views
The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 694 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 719 Views
Precisely *NM* - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 692 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1193 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1129 Views
Baaaack~ - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1139 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1183 Views
Well - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 1095 Views
That is correct - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 1113 Views
Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1169 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1166 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1211 Views
I posted I was back.... NLRBIRL *NM* - 05/08/2013 10:25:58 PM 663 Views
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would be a very awkward abbreviation - 07/08/2013 10:05:17 AM 1109 Views
Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1252 Views
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Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1167 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1186 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1264 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 724 Views
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No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 719 Views
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I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM 1135 Views
List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1332 Views
explanation - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1219 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:47:35 AM 1206 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1239 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1179 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1199 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1128 Views
Your questions - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1212 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 1126 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1227 Views
Well, I'm impressed - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 1126 Views
I thank you for the compliment. - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1187 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1152 Views
Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1167 Views
Re: Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1179 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1207 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 692 Views
Better him than me . *NM* - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 703 Views
Re: Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 11:32:12 PM 1131 Views
nice analysis - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 1081 Views
Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 07:20:07 PM 1169 Views
Re: Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 08:22:47 PM 1094 Views
Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 03:37:36 PM 1103 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:11:04 PM 1159 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1155 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1160 Views
He really is... - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1147 Views
Re: He really is... - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1195 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 1071 Views
BAMF? - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1122 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1139 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1213 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1189 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 1104 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 680 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1119 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 1071 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1209 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 1112 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1152 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1215 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1137 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1184 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1220 Views
Re: - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 1123 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 1076 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 784 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1125 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1123 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 1108 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1126 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 1108 Views
re - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1133 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1163 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1140 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1180 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1144 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1258 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 1079 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 1057 Views
The problem with that - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1144 Views
Re: The problem with that - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 1107 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 1081 Views
That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 1125 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1145 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 1093 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 1104 Views
My take: - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1280 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1162 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 1105 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1158 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 1022 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 1106 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1103 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 1030 Views
No, he's correct. - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1210 Views
Re: My take: - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1192 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 1062 Views
sure - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 1093 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1200 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1130 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1206 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1159 Views
I disagree - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 1092 Views
Re: I disagree - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 1074 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1109 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 1114 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1162 Views
No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 1071 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 1110 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 693 Views
That's awesome. *NM* - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 685 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 1071 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1119 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 1010 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1142 Views
I do, but - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 1106 Views
RBIRL - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1114 Views
The case on Beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1229 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1148 Views
EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1184 Views
Actually... - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1147 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 762 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1217 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1189 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1131 Views
Correct me if wrong... - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1166 Views
Exactly! - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1182 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1154 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1222 Views
I think you're right. - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1373 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1130 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1192 Views
too much mud - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1225 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1304 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1144 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 1104 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 1099 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 578 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1194 Views

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