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this is covered in the rules ft and i maintain but is a 'special case' Isaac Send a noteboard - 22/04/2013 06:40:27 AM

View original postTo the experienced players especially, but please all chime in: should the Modkill end the Day?

Modkills: These come in two types, Inactivity Modkills and Rule Violation Modkills. Rule Violation Modkills instantly end the day, as a lynch would, to prevent a townie who is likely to be lynched from breaking the rules to get modkilled and prevent their allies from ‘wasting a lynch’. Inactivity modkills, on the other hand, end the day only at Moderator Discretion, typically two in one day ends the day.

the mod discretion thing is just a nod toward special circumstances, the concept itself is straight forward. if a modkill does not end the day, then a townie knowing they are to be lynched could deliberately suicide by rules violation to keep the town from being exposed to a night kill. we've never had a kill worthy rules violation, so this never comes up, but direct total modquoting is a definite rules modkill and i could do that at l-1 if town just to off myself so the town had another chance. that's why those don't end the day, it isn't fair to scum.

inactivity modkill derives from a different problem, the average inactive is town, so on the average an inactivity modkill that ended the day would hurt the town, giving the scum a risk-free townie kill and a night kill. so initially we differentiated that way, inactivity vs rules modkill, one doesn't end the day, the other does. unfortunately, especially on day 1, it isn't uncommon to lose a more than one player. in game 6, the one i usually refer to as an abortion stalemate, we had 4 new players, yuna being one of them and the other 3 disappearing on day 1, it threw the dynamic completely. admittedly the game was 15 players, 5 scum plus a serial killer, and the modkills were all town. so we essentially said the second modkill on a day ends the day, though it is more *'if a second inactivity modkill on day 1 comes up, the mod is encouraged to explore options' which can include everything from finding a substitute (which we've done this game) to a game restart. obviously if you have a 7v2 game and both scum disappear on day 1 a restart is in order.

we've technically already had a modkill, it just took the form of a substitution. it isn't unusual for subs to take place after an pseudo-modkill. for instance a mod might place a clearly vacated slot in holding until a lynched or Nk'd player is available who can hold it with debalancing the game. e.g. a night 1 kill of a vanilla could be substituted into any vacated role, but a scummer couldn't, a cop could if they hadn't gotten back any investigation result, or from a practical standpoint if there was little probability of them being able to use the role form the grave. if i investigate someone on night 1 and get lynched on day 2 without saying who i investigated and the result, then i can't sub, unless the investigated player is dead too. but if there's no realistic doubt in anyone's mind about the data i've given them and they have all i knew, then it has no real impact on the game.

but as mentioned, we've effectively had a modkill already, and so beet makes 2, meaning mod discretion. i would say it should not in the day (this is redundant since we're at 5 votes right now) because the substitution removes the impact of beet's death as second. however it is also totally acceptable to have deadlines for days, especially day 1, and in a delay case like this it is fine. that said, beet has currently been the source of delay so his removal via modkill would push the game to continue.

now, technically the l-0 status doesn't matter, we have an active question about the rules going on that pertains to the person who is getting ready to die, so everything is in limbo much as if i challenged someone's vote and precedent is that until that has been dealt with and people have had a reasonable time to decide if they want their vote to remain things pause. In this case though i think the consensus is to just end the day, come what may.

my personal suggestion, for the purpose of game play, would be to say we've exceeded the time available for day 1, end the day without a lynch or modkill, and if we have a nightkill of a substitutable player to just dump them into beet's role, be he town or scum, and if not to just have beet show up with any other casualties come the morning.

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Day 1 – “And so… it begins” – Kosh Naranek - 11/03/2013 09:51:19 AM 1683 Views
List of players - 11/03/2013 09:52:43 AM 733 Views
let's get to assigning questions! - 11/03/2013 11:42:05 AM 724 Views
So did anything happen to anyone during 'Night 0'? *NM* - 11/03/2013 05:35:51 PM 392 Views
I assume somerhing did happen as our mod asked for night actions... - 13/03/2013 10:12:58 AM 691 Views
Hm. 8 players... probably 2 scum, + something else? - 13/03/2013 02:59:49 PM 586 Views
Re: Hm. 8 players... probably 2 scum, + something else? - 13/03/2013 06:46:01 PM 659 Views
I'm still rather confused by the point of day and night 0 - 13/03/2013 09:10:40 PM 643 Views
Re: I'm still rather confused by the point of day and night 0 - 13/03/2013 10:46:33 PM 641 Views
Night 0 relevant info - 02/04/2013 11:46:05 AM 622 Views
So if I understand this correctly... - 13/03/2013 09:39:32 PM 645 Views
Hm. I was assuming this was going to be a Hieshyn nightkill - 11/03/2013 05:45:22 PM 521 Views
Modkill warning - 13/03/2013 03:56:04 PM 646 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 14/03/2013 07:57:01 AM 691 Views
I generally prefer modkills to lynches... - 14/03/2013 07:24:52 PM 667 Views
Don't do it! *NM* - 17/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 396 Views
So shall we do these questions? - 14/03/2013 02:18:21 PM 729 Views
yep - 2 questions of your pick or your random one - 14/03/2013 09:21:10 PM 529 Views
questions (table) - 14/03/2013 09:28:55 PM 760 Views
Your list of questions includes is off by one because it includes '1' twice - 14/03/2013 10:51:40 PM 643 Views
weird too, go into reply or edit and it has 1-6 *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:08:53 AM 388 Views
weird too, go into reply or edit and it has 1-6 *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:08:53 AM 283 Views
it literally deletes my numbers and replaces them - 15/03/2013 01:13:00 AM 617 Views
I've edited it for you. - 15/03/2013 03:35:56 AM 632 Views
... and now it is missing spaces - 15/03/2013 04:25:52 AM 662 Views
Urgh. I don't want to figure this out, I've got Heart of the Swarm to play . - 15/03/2013 05:50:26 AM 588 Views
ah, i'd been seeing adds for that, enjoy - 15/03/2013 09:09:50 AM 725 Views
Well, it is SciFi - 15/03/2013 09:32:53 AM 535 Views
answer to 4: my character is female *NM* - 15/03/2013 08:10:02 AM 266 Views
Am I humanoid? Yes. *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:56:34 PM 381 Views
answer to number one: no *NM* - 15/03/2013 07:51:06 PM 487 Views
I am so confused. - 17/03/2013 03:33:40 AM 567 Views
Ha ha, if you need help: NB me - 17/03/2013 07:46:34 PM 517 Views
Answer to number 3: Work *NM* - 17/03/2013 10:44:56 PM 424 Views
another question I just thought of... - 19/03/2013 08:49:12 AM 741 Views
Erm... I haven't actually done anything wrong. - 19/03/2013 05:11:22 PM 572 Views
i also am not apparently criminal - 19/03/2013 06:36:21 PM 693 Views
Re: i also am not apparently criminal - 19/03/2013 08:59:49 PM 640 Views
Vote: Taiga - 19/03/2013 10:44:28 PM 636 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2013 04:17:20 PM 613 Views
Don't want to reveal? I don't even know! - 20/03/2013 05:05:05 PM 650 Views
You, on the other hand... - 20/03/2013 05:06:09 PM 670 Views
Re: You, on the other hand... - 21/03/2013 12:52:33 PM 633 Views
Yeah, I'm not a criminal either... *NM* - 20/03/2013 02:39:22 PM 363 Views
Vote- Isaac - 18/03/2013 04:47:36 AM 613 Views
I say we have an in-depth discussion on what type of porn Isaac watches *NM* - 18/03/2013 01:52:10 PM 379 Views
Something sneaky and suspicious, I'm sure. Suprise buttsex? *NM* - 18/03/2013 05:21:42 PM 386 Views
I reckon it's all innocuously titled but really weird when you watch it. *NM* - 19/03/2013 11:45:02 PM 391 Views
there's innocously titled porn? - 20/03/2013 05:36:21 AM 709 Views
:p even the brand new player instantly suspects me *NM* - 19/03/2013 06:29:26 PM 377 Views
Wise, the young one is. *NM* - 19/03/2013 07:59:15 PM 348 Views
A quick announcement - 18/03/2013 09:08:57 AM 457 Views
Total agreement! Unvote! *NM* - 18/03/2013 10:16:42 AM 275 Views
Nice! *NM* - 18/03/2013 01:52:50 PM 411 Views
The replacement is galadriel3562 - 18/03/2013 06:59:52 PM 668 Views
Why does everyone think I eat people? - 18/03/2013 10:43:32 PM 643 Views
Why do you think that you don't? - 19/03/2013 04:24:59 AM 519 Views
Re: Why do you think that you don't? - 20/03/2013 11:09:08 PM 665 Views
An introduction & answer to question - 19/03/2013 07:11:09 AM 557 Views
do you guys want to do a 2nd round of questions? - 19/03/2013 06:33:40 PM 506 Views
I more or less proposed that... - 19/03/2013 09:03:24 PM 603 Views
A summary of the first round of questions: - 20/03/2013 02:43:30 PM 660 Views
So, are the Non-Aligned Worlds super common? - 20/03/2013 02:45:18 PM 647 Views
IMHO not very suspicious... - 20/03/2013 04:21:45 PM 593 Views
If being from a non-aligned world is not terribly suspicious... - 20/03/2013 05:27:31 PM 573 Views
Yeah, none would fall for that one anymore. *NM* - 20/03/2013 05:38:24 PM 383 Views
I favour going after Taiga. - 20/03/2013 08:53:18 PM 607 Views
Re: I favour going after Taiga. - 20/03/2013 09:17:57 PM 728 Views
Hah. That would be awesome. - 20/03/2013 09:46:56 PM 524 Views
Re: I favour going after Taiga. - 21/03/2013 12:57:15 PM 591 Views
Also, I have a great singing voice. *NM* - 20/03/2013 07:53:49 PM 410 Views
I'm at PAX till Sunday, so I'll be mostly out of touch (RBIRL) - 22/03/2013 04:26:39 AM 654 Views
OH MY GOD! - 22/03/2013 07:24:34 PM 653 Views
Who? What? What's that? - 23/03/2013 12:47:02 PM 537 Views
I'm having trouble following what is going on. - 22/03/2013 04:29:32 PM 618 Views
Presumably this helps. - 22/03/2013 04:44:44 PM 635 Views
not backing away, explaining - 23/03/2013 01:07:19 PM 661 Views
Being in jail doesn't necessarily mean one is jailed justly. - 23/03/2013 01:29:36 PM 633 Views
Agree with the sentiment of being unjustly jailed but... - 23/03/2013 03:01:26 PM 637 Views
Right, but the point here is... - 23/03/2013 04:11:08 PM 624 Views
I think we're all missing the point here. - 24/03/2013 04:19:12 AM 647 Views
Re: I think we're all missing the point here. - 24/03/2013 10:30:14 AM 629 Views
All I know is what I learned in face to face to Mafia. - 24/03/2013 03:21:42 PM 679 Views
The gag here is Isaac is always suspected by everyone, no matter what he does. *NM* - 24/03/2013 06:13:11 PM 403 Views
Always suspected, never lynched. - 24/03/2013 07:49:00 PM 609 Views
Indeed. Dannymac will fit right in. *NM* - 24/03/2013 09:22:55 PM 350 Views
The "Taiga is likely a criminal" angle seems decently strong - 25/03/2013 03:46:26 PM 630 Views
Re: The "Taiga is likely a criminal" angle seems decently strong - 25/03/2013 05:12:14 PM 549 Views
Finally were moving ahead. Vote:Taiga - 25/03/2013 07:40:31 PM 634 Views
oh man - 26/03/2013 12:20:26 PM 714 Views
That's enough for now. Unvote. - 26/03/2013 01:01:25 PM 579 Views
yep, square 1. Sorry for that. *NM* - 26/03/2013 01:22:10 PM 273 Views
Devil's advocate: Taiga didn't really offer anything here - 26/03/2013 02:38:21 PM 540 Views
i agree, i think i'm more suspiscious - 26/03/2013 05:08:33 PM 708 Views
Lore question! - 26/03/2013 10:06:06 PM 596 Views
lore answer - 26/03/2013 10:34:54 PM 605 Views
Ooh, "rogue telepath" would be a sweet role. Do the Centauris have any telepath connections? - 27/03/2013 01:47:59 AM 490 Views
only the narn lack telepaths - 27/03/2013 02:37:22 AM 536 Views
Unvote- Isaac, Vote- Taiga - 26/03/2013 07:40:56 PM 722 Views
Re: Unvote- Isaac, Vote- Taiga - 26/03/2013 10:20:58 PM 665 Views
You are making a mistake - 27/03/2013 10:09:41 PM 640 Views
Almost certainly true. - 28/03/2013 04:54:49 AM 737 Views
A roleclaim could save you, at this point - 28/03/2013 12:17:18 PM 581 Views
Agree on the RC - 29/03/2013 11:35:54 PM 594 Views
role - 30/03/2013 09:48:28 AM 643 Views
Unvote - 30/03/2013 04:39:53 PM 567 Views
role - 30/03/2013 09:50:25 AM 588 Views
i think you're lying, there's no such thing as a p1 psi cop - 30/03/2013 09:54:44 PM 616 Views
You're right - 01/04/2013 03:11:16 PM 620 Views
So, what are you saying? - 02/04/2013 06:42:33 PM 541 Views
Ok, Taiga. Crashing the site in order to survive was going too far. - 29/03/2013 04:43:04 PM 612 Views
I agree.... :-> - 29/03/2013 04:52:03 PM 553 Views
Aye, the cheaty guy! *NM* - 29/03/2013 08:16:55 PM 404 Views
He crashed the site again? - 01/04/2013 03:15:54 PM 675 Views
Unvote. Unless anyone claims Taiga is lying? *NM* - 30/03/2013 06:41:13 PM 278 Views
yes, i think so - 30/03/2013 10:14:22 PM 600 Views
The site had to crash the time I have a 4 day weekend - 02/04/2013 07:23:20 PM 685 Views
I think it depends on if the lore makes sense. Isaac, what do you think of Taiga's explanation? *NM* - 03/04/2013 03:03:49 PM 380 Views
This, pretty much. *NM* - 03/04/2013 07:56:22 PM 252 Views
basically it's not very likely but is possible, anyway it doens't matter - 04/04/2013 12:15:12 PM 681 Views
I'd been thinking the same thing. - 04/04/2013 06:19:57 PM 641 Views
In fact, I unvoted because of this. - 05/04/2013 06:55:32 PM 611 Views
hypothesis - 02/04/2013 08:57:46 PM 689 Views
I'm not sure... - 03/04/2013 11:17:08 PM 595 Views
Vote: No lynch - 04/04/2013 08:34:36 AM 516 Views
Re: Vote: No lynch - 04/04/2013 12:16:18 PM 548 Views
No lynch equals mafia win. - 04/04/2013 02:14:08 PM 688 Views
Flying to a Funeral tomorow. - 04/04/2013 06:29:24 AM 640 Views
Taiga's situation, as I see it. - 04/04/2013 03:02:29 PM 715 Views
as I said before: go kill the cop - 04/04/2013 03:25:11 PM 555 Views
you probably shouldn't tempt us - 04/04/2013 07:51:20 PM 615 Views
my rm doesn't say anything about what business, just a regular business woman. *NM* - 05/04/2013 08:05:47 AM 346 Views
ah, well then, vote: taiga - 05/04/2013 09:05:44 AM 654 Views
also... - 05/04/2013 09:14:39 AM 596 Views
Re: Taiga's situation, as I see it. - 04/04/2013 05:19:28 PM 655 Views
I was scum in my first game too *NM* - 05/04/2013 08:06:39 AM 269 Views
Actually, that's a good point. Vote: Taiga - 04/04/2013 05:54:41 PM 651 Views
Come on, folks. Let's get to day 2. - 08/04/2013 05:56:47 PM 683 Views
Hm, yeah, I had assumed we hit the required number of votes for some reason - 08/04/2013 06:07:25 PM 519 Views
we need 5, also still waiting for people to claim it's a false claim - 08/04/2013 06:18:34 PM 520 Views
I thought that was pretty implicit in my claims of waiting for a cop claim. - 08/04/2013 09:21:17 PM 621 Views
such being the case we can go through those who have voted for him or supported it - 08/04/2013 10:40:11 PM 547 Views
Very well. Then consider this my official non-cop claim . - 08/04/2013 11:09:32 PM 679 Views
let me detail this for clarity for the others, as a question we both answered "no" to (table) - 08/04/2013 11:50:39 PM 653 Views
also, unvote: taiga, for now at least - 08/04/2013 11:54:32 PM 724 Views
To the best of my knowledge, I am just your everyday townie. - 09/04/2013 01:29:12 AM 689 Views
Re: To the best of my knowledge, I am just your everyday townie. - 09/04/2013 03:04:07 AM 626 Views
"overly enthusiastic about the lynch..." - 09/04/2013 07:13:12 AM 681 Views
The number of DF is not set. - 09/04/2013 08:32:31 AM 664 Views
Gibbed? SK? - 09/04/2013 04:31:53 PM 613 Views
Re: "overly enthusiastic about the lynch..." - 09/04/2013 10:32:37 AM 660 Views
While I'm a bit reluctant to divulge this... - 09/04/2013 07:21:55 AM 680 Views
Please clarify yourself.. *NM* - 09/04/2013 10:22:00 AM 375 Views
no-cop claim - 09/04/2013 04:32:22 PM 629 Views
Clarify what? - 09/04/2013 07:09:24 PM 681 Views
Re: Clarify what? - 09/04/2013 07:46:03 PM 642 Views
Eh? - 09/04/2013 10:48:55 PM 667 Views
My role is perfectly clear as well. - 09/04/2013 11:44:23 PM 676 Views
So we're waiting for someone to make a fatal error and make this easy? - 10/04/2013 04:49:46 AM 537 Views
Hm. - 10/04/2013 04:06:04 PM 576 Views
still waiting on official disclaimers from lucy and lassi - 10/04/2013 06:25:44 PM 573 Views
Not a cop. *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:35:46 PM 284 Views
one to go then *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:42:16 PM 374 Views
not a cop. *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:45:01 PM 394 Views
while we're waiting though - 10/04/2013 06:41:44 PM 588 Views
ok, let's try something reckless and crazy - 10/04/2013 08:06:48 PM 481 Views
No objections *NM* - 11/04/2013 09:31:01 AM 276 Views
So... whats the point of this, then? - 11/04/2013 04:33:48 PM 601 Views
ah, the ciphering is fairly normal - 11/04/2013 05:17:59 PM 701 Views
Well, ok then. - 12/04/2013 06:02:04 PM 531 Views
I don't deny that this is a plan that would likely be very profitable for us... - 12/04/2013 10:46:13 PM 441 Views
i'll start a table for it then - 13/04/2013 01:16:28 AM 642 Views
encrypted claims (table) - 13/04/2013 01:55:49 AM 638 Views
So because we're stalled... - 13/04/2013 05:22:37 AM 543 Views
Here we go - 13/04/2013 06:42:48 AM 670 Views
Re: encrypted claims (table) - 13/04/2013 11:36:27 AM 576 Views
Re: encrypted claims - 15/04/2013 04:30:58 PM 651 Views
Mine - 16/04/2013 12:52:30 PM 524 Views
my encrypted claims - 17/04/2013 09:13:34 AM 475 Views
RBIRL - 15/04/2013 09:06:33 PM 512 Views
we're waiting on one more encryption, so... - 17/04/2013 09:55:21 AM 628 Views
I encrypted it all together. - 17/04/2013 06:25:26 PM 679 Views
agreed *NM* - 17/04/2013 09:36:02 PM 273 Views
me too, same key for all 3 *NM* - 17/04/2013 10:09:08 PM 389 Views
I used one key for all of them as well *NM* - 17/04/2013 11:14:43 PM 395 Views
I didn't. *NM* - 18/04/2013 02:23:47 PM 371 Views
Me neither. I've got a separate cipher for everyone of them. *NM* - 18/04/2013 02:59:31 PM 379 Views
I'm joining the last two, three separate keys.... *NM* *NM* - 18/04/2013 10:49:55 PM 393 Views
vote: beetnemesis - 19/04/2013 12:22:12 AM 566 Views
or get a modkill... - 19/04/2013 12:24:45 AM 684 Views
also while we're burning time, and amusing subgame - 19/04/2013 12:33:25 AM 617 Views
twice you made the tables (questions and encrypted claims) and voting very late. - 19/04/2013 02:06:13 PM 617 Views
nope, I usually make tables and... - 19/04/2013 02:50:30 PM 676 Views
hmmm, - 19/04/2013 07:17:41 PM 707 Views
Hahaha, +1 *NM* - 19/04/2013 07:36:00 PM 387 Views
- 20/04/2013 03:29:27 AM 488 Views
Re: - 20/04/2013 08:58:14 AM 717 Views
And we love you for it. - 21/04/2013 06:54:28 PM 531 Views
RBIRL again *NM* - 20/04/2013 07:13:57 AM 356 Views
Not really. - 21/04/2013 04:42:24 PM 640 Views
Oh, I almost forgot: Vote: beetnemesis. - 21/04/2013 04:45:39 PM 504 Views
Re: Not really. - 22/04/2013 06:06:26 AM 641 Views
You have been abducted by aliens and replaced by some form of extraterrestrial life form. - 26/04/2013 01:27:10 AM 653 Views
nah, that happened years ago, this is recent *NM* - 26/04/2013 01:39:53 AM 370 Views
Besides, it isn't really unusual. - 26/04/2013 02:23:24 AM 630 Views
Really, you think so? - 26/04/2013 09:51:31 AM 701 Views
Your cleverity there leaves room for improvement. *NM* - 27/04/2013 12:04:47 AM 399 Views
As much as I love the discussion... - 21/04/2013 07:19:57 PM 643 Views
I join...Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 21/04/2013 09:21:16 PM 300 Views
Well, in that case. Vote:beetnemesis - 21/04/2013 09:53:08 PM 643 Views
I prefer modkill not to end the day. - 21/04/2013 10:28:56 PM 517 Views
Ok, Vote:beetnemesis *NM* - 21/04/2013 10:39:37 PM 452 Views
this is covered in the rules ft and i maintain but is a 'special case' - 22/04/2013 06:40:27 AM 669 Views
Night 1 – "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." – Zack Allan - 22/04/2013 08:03:25 AM 741 Views
yes, we got lucky! *NM* - 22/04/2013 08:35:41 AM 383 Views
Indeed. Let's hope the luck keeps up. *NM* - 22/04/2013 02:40:48 PM 380 Views
Bah! - 22/04/2013 09:07:38 PM 599 Views
Too bad - 23/04/2013 07:20:51 AM 658 Views
We have a Facebook group? Neat. *NM* - 23/04/2013 06:26:44 PM 395 Views
https://www.facebook.com/groups/134337250069780/ - 23/04/2013 07:23:40 PM 555 Views
Sooo, how long is this night going to take? *NM* - 26/04/2013 07:25:47 AM 352 Views
Max 29-4...mod said so in the night Message above... *NM* - 26/04/2013 09:35:35 AM 386 Views
Huh. I missed that. *NM* - 26/04/2013 11:58:23 AM 246 Views

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