I find it much more likely that Stephen has a one-shot cop ability (and thus was fine with RC'ing- it's not like he's a cop anymore) than Isaac's argument that Stephen's actions did not fit the Platonic Ideal of a cop.
You think it's fine that a one-shot cop didn't bother RC-coding and for some reason proposed a Hypocop table that would leave confusion and chaos in its wake if he did die unclaimed? If people are going to insist that the HC made sense for him to propose why on Earth do you stick to that when the presumed advantage could only have resulted in trouble. Let's say he didn't claim today and died, and we look at his HC and his alleged role, we wouldn't know what to do, and he didn't do the sort of clever 'oops' that would have helped us afterward to be sure he'd copped rather than something else, like 'I copped Isaac guilty' as a slight but unnoteworthy break of formula that tomorrow on death we'd be all like 'ah-ha!, he was clearly trying to make it obvious that he used his cop ability on night 1, not a different one!' You gonna give him a pass on that one too? He thought enough about the idea of transmitting information in death but not very obvious problem of us not knowing if he copped or vig'd or tracked or what? In a game by FT, who is notoriously slim on posthumous messages? Heck, Yuna's very recent PM doesn't even say her abilities, just that she was an assassin, no 'once per night' or 'immune to this' [and you can bet she was immune to zerg-ing] or even by default 'was a serial killer' so it's not like FT's habit of going lite on role details on death was a distant memory.
Come on beet, I'm not holding up a Platonic Ideal, he's got every scummer hedge and/or anti-town mistake on the list up there. Are you seriously telling me you'd have made that many errors in his place? I don't mind be lynched and losing, it happens, true or false, but when this is over I don't want to hear anyone being all like 'Oh, well it made sense for us to do it, it was an excellent frame.' because its not. The accusation leaks like a canoe someone just unloaded a magazine into. You're projecting all the bizarreness of this situation on to me, but how could I have even caused any of it?
Seriously? Where could I have gotten my fingers in to make this one happen. This should be a straightforward accusation, "I am a one-shot trick bag, here's my coded RC verifying that, I copped Isaac as a Zerg last night'. And my only defense then would be 'well, he could have been just that and got converted last night.' which ain't bad but won't float. I didn't 'trick' Stephen into doing something incredibly scummy like not coding his RC. I outright prodded people yesterday to do that. Stephen's a very experienced player, what's really easier to believe? That he made a series of mistakes when he had truth and time on his side to get it right and would have been worried about verifying himself, or that he made various errors, some unavoidable, in the process of a plot? You know people acting outside our normal procedures tend to over-think stuff while overlooking glaring mistakes, alternatively we have practically made a science of how townies should behave on penalty of lynch. Being suspicious, we say, is anti-town, take every reasonable step to minimize that so we don't mislynch, when we lynch you wrongly, it was your mistake not ours. That's how we operate and Stephen's been here for all of that all the way back to game 1... and I can't think of a time he's done that before.
If this situation is murky, and I can't have made it so, then someone did unless you want to chalk it up to chance or pure mistakes. Ar eoyu honestly telling me this smells right to you?
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
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Mafia Day 2 - Early Expansion
02/07/2012 09:18:28 AM
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Also we might want to decode in whole or part
02/07/2012 12:53:30 PM
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Not in favor right now
02/07/2012 04:20:17 PM
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Hypocopping?
02/07/2012 03:42:46 PM
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Sure, why not. It's not like it would hurt us even if we gain nothing. *NM*
02/07/2012 04:40:23 PM
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Hah, I forgot about hypocopping. Sure, let's do it, I'll make a seperate post. *NM*
02/07/2012 06:04:03 PM
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So, what should we do? *NM*
04/07/2012 04:00:50 PM
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Some next steps
04/07/2012 07:46:00 PM
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About exposing the doc...
05/07/2012 05:07:14 AM
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I have a stimpack as well.
05/07/2012 12:48:16 PM
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Actually I do
05/07/2012 03:02:30 PM
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So, did anyone have anything happen to them last night? *NM*
06/07/2012 08:06:30 PM
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Well, someone probably got a message saying 'You are now Zerg'...
07/07/2012 12:10:36 AM
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I suppose I'll share what happened to me last night.
07/07/2012 07:59:43 PM
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Let me probe on that one real quick
07/07/2012 08:46:45 PM
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Yes, it is specific.
07/07/2012 09:10:39 PM
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Re: Yes, it is specific.
07/07/2012 10:10:13 PM
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It was in my original role message. *NM*
07/07/2012 10:41:11 PM
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Oh well, I'll take the bait.
08/07/2012 01:33:28 AM
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EBWOP: Oh well, I'll take the bait.
08/07/2012 01:34:22 AM
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I actually kind of expected that
08/07/2012 01:38:48 AM
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Could hear a pindrop in here...
08/07/2012 06:31:22 AM
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Yeah, I went to bed just after posting that.
08/07/2012 11:47:01 AM
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Well I've got to say your encryption is, uh, vague
08/07/2012 06:58:13 PM
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Seems pretty straight forward. Vote: Isaac *NM*
09/07/2012 12:11:03 AM
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Hmm wait...
09/07/2012 01:49:23 AM
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The Casy name thing is in the message I got from FT.
09/07/2012 10:20:49 AM
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I am not voting at this time.
09/07/2012 06:47:18 PM
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This has none of my fingerprints on it, something is clearly up and it literally can't be my doing
09/07/2012 08:59:45 PM
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Vote: Stephen
09/07/2012 11:59:46 PM
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You mean the whole thing where I have been brutally honest and told you everything.
10/07/2012 12:12:06 AM
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No, I mean the totally useless bogus encryption. *NM*
10/07/2012 12:26:26 AM
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Useless and bogus?
10/07/2012 02:04:40 PM
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The main complaint is that your code doesn't contain any role information- HOWEVER
10/07/2012 03:01:45 PM
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Isaac- you said you have a stimpack that doesn't protect against infestation?
10/07/2012 04:40:18 AM
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Not explicitly, that's why I was fishing with Ranagrande
10/07/2012 05:15:47 AM
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Oh, I see....
10/07/2012 07:10:13 AM
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Vote: Isaac (again)
10/07/2012 03:03:04 PM
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Vote: Stephen, but FOS: Beet, what heck?
10/07/2012 06:58:10 PM
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Unvote. Didn't you claim different symptoms than everyone else, though?
10/07/2012 09:18:38 PM
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Specifically I claimed a symptom that wasn't explcitly listed as one in my RM
10/07/2012 11:01:57 PM
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