First off, we probably have normal scum and this is then a futile gesture. Second, if we don't and my hypothesis about the lynchees turning into rebels is accurate, we can easily test that via a copping of anyone of them at some point down the road and clean sweep the entire group since we'd know who they were. Third, were that the case we'd have a debalanced game... those happen, and figuring those out has won many a game but if that's the case the game is simply broken and the final outcome really wouldn't reflect on anyone's skill. For all we know a second lynch might kill him for keeps, I also don't like the idea of lynching someone two days in a row for what will amount in both cases to very hazy cases.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia XXV: Day 2
29/01/2012 04:30:46 PM
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Poetry Contest Round 2: Acrostic
29/01/2012 04:35:41 PM
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Acrostic? *NM*
29/01/2012 08:00:23 PM
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The first letter of each line makes either a word or phrase. *NM*
29/01/2012 11:31:56 PM
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So are Praz and White Flame still around? Can they talk? *NM*
30/01/2012 12:47:08 AM
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Yep
30/01/2012 02:20:09 PM
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Do you get a vote? *NM*
30/01/2012 02:27:26 PM
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Re: Do you get a vote?
30/01/2012 07:27:19 PM
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I seem to recall that you can purchase obligators with Atium.
30/01/2012 10:53:36 PM
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AFAIK, I'm still here and good to go.
30/01/2012 10:14:11 PM
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No night messages or anything? I guess that's to be expected
31/01/2012 03:48:58 AM
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I suppose this won't hurt to say: I was a judge of the poetry contest.
31/01/2012 04:18:42 AM
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Judged as well- sounds like most if not all of us did
01/02/2012 01:53:36 PM
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Actually I think we should get a list of everyone who entered or didn't
01/02/2012 03:27:36 PM
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****Follow up**** (Table)
02/02/2012 04:24:30 PM
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I'm just going to say I highly doubt the contest has anything to do with anything.
03/02/2012 12:29:32 AM
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Hieshyn, Stephen, I'd really like your answers on this
04/02/2012 08:14:10 PM
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I gave my response
05/02/2012 04:59:28 PM
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D'oh! Sorry, Vote: Hieshyn
05/02/2012 05:01:26 PM
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You want to lynch him?
05/02/2012 06:55:12 PM
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If he doesn't answer up, but we may as well move on
05/02/2012 07:50:02 PM
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Hm, ok
06/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
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Okay
06/02/2012 02:07:01 AM
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Re: Okay
06/02/2012 03:32:36 AM
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the 3 was a mistake
06/02/2012 06:12:48 PM
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We need you to verify all 4 then
06/02/2012 08:35:18 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
06/02/2012 11:25:34 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
07/02/2012 04:03:57 AM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
07/02/2012 08:03:40 PM
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Thanks, one was enough
07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
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Day 2 Auctions
05/02/2012 10:37:13 PM
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Iron Mine: .1 *NM*
06/02/2012 02:00:12 PM
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Mine .2 *NM*
06/02/2012 03:20:35 PM
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Mine 0.4 *NM*
12/02/2012 04:55:22 AM
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Mine 0.5 *NM*
13/02/2012 08:45:51 PM
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Mine 0.81 *NM*
13/02/2012 09:13:56 PM
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Mine 0.9 *NM*
13/02/2012 09:14:49 PM
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Mine 1.17 *NM*
13/02/2012 10:09:52 PM
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Mine 1.2 *NM*
14/02/2012 01:17:36 AM
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Mine 1.26 *NM*
14/02/2012 01:37:51 AM
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Mine 1.3 *NM*
14/02/2012 03:04:09 AM
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Mine 1.4 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:00:17 AM
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Mine 1.5 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:07:58 AM
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Mine 1.8 *NM*
14/02/2012 05:31:38 AM
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Mine: 2.0 *NM*
14/02/2012 05:34:49 AM
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Shop: .1 *NM*
06/02/2012 02:00:55 PM
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Shop: .28 *NM*
06/02/2012 10:38:55 PM
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Shop .4
07/02/2012 04:16:55 PM
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Shop .45 *NM*
09/02/2012 05:15:34 AM
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Shop .5 *NM*
09/02/2012 01:33:29 PM
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Shop .7 *NM*
09/02/2012 02:12:49 PM
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Shop .8 --> I want my freedom =( *NM*
09/02/2012 02:42:27 PM
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Shop .91 *NM*
11/02/2012 09:33:23 PM
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Shop 1.0 *NM*
11/02/2012 10:27:12 PM
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Re: Shop 1.01 *NM*
14/02/2012 01:03:41 AM
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Shop 1.1 *NM*
14/02/2012 01:45:47 AM
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Shop 1.2 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:01:05 AM
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Shop 1.22 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:18:09 AM
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Shop 1.53 *NM*
14/02/2012 05:37:35 AM
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Shop 1.6 *NM*
14/02/2012 02:27:54 PM
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Shop 1.62 *NM*
14/02/2012 06:27:18 PM
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Shop 2.3 *NM*
16/02/2012 12:21:01 AM
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Shop 2.31 *NM*
18/02/2012 05:15:53 PM
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Shop 2.56578443992021083401 *NM*
19/02/2012 03:44:52 AM
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Shop 2.56578443992021083402
19/02/2012 05:38:55 AM
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Slave: .1 *NM*
06/02/2012 02:01:26 PM
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Slave .3 *NM*
06/02/2012 03:21:08 PM
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Slave .35 *NM*
06/02/2012 10:38:31 PM
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Slave .5 *NM*
06/02/2012 10:42:16 PM
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Slave .81 *NM*
07/02/2012 12:19:48 AM
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Well, now you're just being a jerk
. Slave: 1 *NM*
07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
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Slave: 1.15 *NM*
09/02/2012 02:35:32 PM
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Slave: 1.3 *NM*
11/02/2012 05:42:33 PM
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Slave: 1.4 *NM*
14/02/2012 03:03:53 AM
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Slave: 1.5 *NM*
14/02/2012 03:57:59 AM
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Slave: 1.6 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:07:33 AM
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Slave: 1.75 *NM*
14/02/2012 05:35:34 AM
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Slave: 2.0 *NM*
14/02/2012 05:36:14 AM
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I think we're hammered *NM*
14/02/2012 05:40:36 AM
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Slave: 2.1 *NM*
14/02/2012 02:28:24 PM
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Slave: 2.2 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:51:40 PM
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Slave: 2.3 I'm curious about those extra actions, dammit! *NM*
14/02/2012 07:53:03 PM
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Slave 2.4... what extra actions?
15/02/2012 12:38:36 AM
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Slave 2.5 well, "other potential effects," then
15/02/2012 03:50:54 AM
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Slave: 2.51
21/02/2012 11:18:02 PM
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Slave: 2.6- don't you want to be slave-buddies?
24/02/2012 04:30:54 PM
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Slave: 2.7 you have no idea how ironic that is
*NM*
02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
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Slave: 2.8 the only way I'll know is with a slave! *NM*
03/03/2012 12:29:47 AM
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Slave: 2.9 but I think Stephen already hammered
*NM*
03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
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Slave: 3.0 yeah, I'm on my phone, so I bid before seeing. And am bidding now just in case! *NM*
03/03/2012 02:41:31 AM
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Tin Misting: .1 *NM*
06/02/2012 02:02:48 PM
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Tin Misting: .2 *NM*
09/02/2012 04:36:38 AM
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Tin Misting: .201 *NM*
13/02/2012 09:16:03 PM
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Re: Tin Misting: .202 *NM*
14/02/2012 01:04:35 AM
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Tin Misting: .4 *NM*
14/02/2012 03:58:52 AM
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Yes, I will. Tin Misting : .5 *NM*
14/02/2012 04:15:15 AM
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Tin Misting : .7 *NM*
14/02/2012 02:28:47 PM
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Tin Misting : .8 *NM*
14/02/2012 02:43:32 PM
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Tin Misting : .9 *NM*
14/02/2012 07:53:48 PM
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Tin Misting : .91 *NM*
18/02/2012 05:14:15 PM
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Tin Misting : .95 *NM*
24/02/2012 04:31:03 PM
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No posts and no beer make beetnemesis something something
10/02/2012 03:07:53 PM
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I'd have no problem - at all - with lynching Hieshyn.
10/02/2012 06:55:30 PM
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I say we go for it
11/02/2012 04:57:52 PM
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I expect him to get modkilled for inactivity.
11/02/2012 06:18:41 PM
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Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
10/02/2012 08:14:46 PM
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Re: Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
11/02/2012 01:57:48 PM
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It doesn't implicate anyone...
11/02/2012 06:05:36 PM
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Hmm
11/02/2012 06:22:31 PM
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Erm... what is this about?
11/02/2012 06:24:42 PM
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Nothing was happening...we needed information...
11/02/2012 10:36:21 PM
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Hmm.
12/02/2012 03:04:00 AM
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I didn't get anything
12/02/2012 04:54:53 AM
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So neither of you got any flavour text regarding your night action/being targeted by a night action?
12/02/2012 05:38:53 AM
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I got nothing.
12/02/2012 05:43:52 AM
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^^OK yeah, so
13/02/2012 02:18:41 AM
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Re: ^^OK yeah, so
13/02/2012 02:48:09 AM
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Hah, I think it's funny that we didn't confirm until right now who was NK'd
13/02/2012 03:49:30 AM
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I'd actually assumed this was the meaning.
13/02/2012 05:15:41 AM
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But I soothed him into inactivity.
13/02/2012 08:42:51 PM
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Right
13/02/2012 09:13:21 PM
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ooh so you were roleblocked AND nightkilled? *NM*
14/02/2012 09:14:07 PM
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Mob justice or get off the pot
13/02/2012 02:18:57 PM
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Re: Mob justice or get off the pot
14/02/2012 01:47:36 AM
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Cool. Vote: Hieshyn *NM*
14/02/2012 03:54:36 AM
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Hmmm. . . . .
14/02/2012 05:16:41 AM
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This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
14/02/2012 09:43:13 PM
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Re: This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
14/02/2012 10:14:04 PM
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Votes?
14/02/2012 05:45:22 AM
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Technically, that's only 4 real votes, unless some people have extras. *NM*
14/02/2012 05:46:43 AM
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Sorry, my real life was incredibly busy
14/02/2012 09:29:53 PM
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Unvote: Hieshyn... now we get to track down who was lying
15/02/2012 12:34:25 AM
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That's pretty useless...
15/02/2012 01:36:14 AM
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OK so I'm guessing you want me to encode shit
16/02/2012 12:19:22 AM
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Nope, no encoding. I'll explain:
16/02/2012 01:17:58 AM
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Wound, Luthadel, Mistborn, wood *NM*
17/02/2012 11:51:56 PM
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Heh, everybody uses 'Wood'
19/02/2012 05:11:57 AM
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How much trouble would I be in if all the poems were here in full?
19/02/2012 11:01:24 PM
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Probably only for modquoting, I think.
20/02/2012 05:11:51 AM
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Sorry I disappeared for a bit there and am still semi-RBIRL
21/02/2012 04:24:32 AM
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I explicitly said during Day 1 I have never read the series
21/02/2012 06:43:49 PM
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So I suppose what I'm trying to say
21/02/2012 07:37:18 PM
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Ha, let's lynch Stephen
21/02/2012 10:43:11 PM
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I don't know
21/02/2012 11:11:58 PM
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No reason for what now?
22/02/2012 11:39:27 PM
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As for this...
23/02/2012 10:05:52 AM
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Just because F-T says he isn't guilty doesn't mean he isn't
22/02/2012 11:53:07 PM
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Yes, this has been brought up
23/02/2012 09:18:00 AM
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Upon reading the poems initially...
23/02/2012 03:00:11 PM
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Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
23/02/2012 03:07:46 PM
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If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
23/02/2012 05:35:07 PM
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If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
23/02/2012 05:35:09 PM
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Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
23/02/2012 06:06:29 PM
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At this pointit seems unlikely, since theylied about it.
23/02/2012 06:40:34 PM
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True.
23/02/2012 11:02:24 PM
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That's possible, in which case I still think he's scum. Just not lynchable scum
.
24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
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Hey Lord Ruler
21/02/2012 07:14:01 PM
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Ya know, I'm probably going to regret suggesting this but...
23/02/2012 07:03:59 PM
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What exactly do we have to gain from a no-lynch?
23/02/2012 08:32:31 PM
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Mostly just an end to the day
23/02/2012 09:42:18 PM
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You raise an intriguing question.
24/02/2012 02:46:57 AM
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Re: You raise an intriguing question.
24/02/2012 10:26:21 AM
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Re: You raise an intriguing question.
24/02/2012 12:27:01 PM
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Re: You raise an intriguing question.
24/02/2012 08:06:49 PM
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Re: You raise an intriguing question.
24/02/2012 08:16:28 PM
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... *NM*
25/02/2012 02:05:00 AM
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Vote: ? *NM*
26/02/2012 07:52:49 PM
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You are trying to vote for yourself? *NM*
26/02/2012 09:44:09 PM
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Yes. I was bored. No one had posted in a long time. Thus. Sorry. *NM*
26/02/2012 09:50:25 PM
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Right, get a move on people.
28/02/2012 08:22:51 AM
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I don't think we can re-lynch White Flame, can we? *NM*
28/02/2012 03:04:41 PM
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We'll see. Vote: White Flame *NM*
28/02/2012 03:26:30 PM
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This isn't a great idea for experimentation
28/02/2012 07:10:32 PM
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No new ideas so let's lynch the guy who was quiet for two weeks and came back with a vengence
02/03/2012 12:47:55 AM
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I'm sorry.
02/03/2012 01:53:03 AM
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This is exactly the problem I have with Mafia in general (OOC)
02/03/2012 02:06:17 AM
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At my count (Votes)
02/03/2012 02:13:56 AM
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Oh, and Fox and Ravens voted for Whiteflame *NM*
02/03/2012 02:14:59 AM
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Can you make a case on anyone else?
02/03/2012 03:36:28 AM
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Vote: Hieshyn
02/03/2012 06:50:08 PM
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You're still not dead, Yuna unvoted you an hour ago
02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
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son of a bitch i never get to hammer
*NM*
03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
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Well, to save time since you're not really dead-dead, town or scum? *NM*
03/03/2012 12:32:04 AM
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Day 2 has ended.
05/03/2012 10:30:17 PM
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New job?
06/03/2012 12:08:53 AM
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So am I now dead-dead in this deathless game of mafia? *NM*
08/03/2012 12:58:57 AM
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That's the same PM WF got, he's still in, you probably will be too *NM*
08/03/2012 05:33:25 AM
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I'm thinking about calling this one, either way though I'm out.
02/04/2012 01:26:30 AM
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Yeah, i've been tempted to say I'm out for a while too.
03/04/2012 02:01:52 AM
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My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
03/04/2012 02:17:41 AM
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Re: My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
03/04/2012 03:34:47 AM
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Yeah, I only have the barest hints, but I got the impression that it could be done online *NM*
03/04/2012 02:44:41 PM
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If rana doesn't think a backup mod would work, then...
03/04/2012 02:18:51 AM
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Yeah
03/04/2012 04:41:08 AM
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Me too.
03/04/2012 06:39:40 AM
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Heh
05/04/2012 01:28:24 AM
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Looks good, but I can't fully judge without knowing the lore behind it
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05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
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me too, its allright to post it now? *NM*
05/04/2012 08:19:25 PM
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Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna get modkilled, right? *NM*
05/04/2012 08:54:48 PM
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Yeah...
08/04/2012 04:49:10 AM
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For the record, I was scum
09/04/2012 03:33:12 PM
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Re: For the record, I was scum
10/04/2012 04:19:20 AM
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