Okay, I’ve been giving this some thought, and I’ve decided that a claim is the only option today, as I’ve tended to be a night 2 target a lot of late and there’s no HCing to protect my data. My role says cop, I’ll provide the proper decryption for that in a follow up. Incidentally the main motivator for the earlier role comparison plan was that being the cop, and with the poems being identical and our roles not being revealed, and my first night yielding a scummer… which always brings the possibility of psycho-cop to mind… I wondered about the off possibility of us having multiple cops or lots of twinned roles, ?’s presumably truthful claim of yesterday meant we couldn’t all be, on reflection, but I still expect there’s a real chance off role weirdness.
The person, of course, was Beetnemesis. I’d decided when I got the hit back I’d need to claim today, so if I got murdered tonight that wouldn’t be lost. I wanted to get as much data as possible though about who he did or did not favor or vote for, as there’s a real chance it would be our last hard data. If there’s only two scum, and he is one, then the survivor might have a RB/NK choice each night and we’d have a good shot at bulling through. If there are three, and he’s not a RBer but they have one, they’ll lock me down after this, or try for a NK, or both. We don’t know if we have a doc amongst the living, but neither do the scum, and odds favor it right now so the RB if they’ve got one tonight would seem probable, and the NK would be the usual guessing game between them and the doc.
So, assuming my copping is valid, which we’ll know when beet dies… he’ll either die scum or town and if the latter I’ll know he was a miller or I’m psycho, of course he’ll claim and if he claims town and says he’s a miller we’ll all know I’m sane but barring that… anyone he’ll have a RC to decode for us or just fess up to being scum. If he claims town, non-miller, and dies as town I’ll know I’m probably psycho and you’ll know I’m psycho or scum and can act accordingly tomorrow. We all know the various options and improbabilities that can be involved but unless Beet’s decode is miller I think we can assume we’ll lynch him today, if he does decode as miller then we’ll have to consider the options but probably the same.
So, there’s the pre-amble, but what do we know? As I said, I’d have liked to suck more data out of this Day where beet’s concerned but I doubt we’d get too much, and for the rest of this message I will assume Beet is scum. Thus far he pressed strongly for a claim from ?, and I doubt he’d have done that from another scummer, so I’m going to assume for now that ? is town, which his readiness to claim indicates… as I said to Rana, I’d find that an improbable behavior from a scummer fresh into a new role and I doubt if scum he had a chance to talk to his allies, having been their night victim, but it is always possible beet was given permission to send ? a NB or two come dawn, that wouldn’t be too improbable with a sub going on, and sent him some slam dunk RC knowing ? would have a chance to make a knew RC on Kronin’s. In my experience, when scum I usually try to develop good RC for myself an allies on night 1 and I often want them in play publicly ASAP, so this may have happened. I don’t consider this too improbable, but also not too likely. So for now, I think the odds are very strong Beet is scum and ? is town.
Now, Rana was ?’s accuser, but that doesn’t mean much to me yet. We have only two others who really weighed in on ?, and that’s Yuna and Hieshyn. My feeling from their responses is that neither is too likely to be scum, especially Yuna, who seemed particularly miffed about the accusation on ?, which seems like more disapproval than a scummer would apply to a townie who was being accused. My current impression, as the most probable scenario, is:
Beet – Scum
? – Town
Yuna – Prob-Town
Hieshyn – Prob-ish-town
… and Fox, Stephen, and Ranagrande basically neutral.
Our next step would be for me to decode, for beet to decode, and for us to wait a bit for everyone to confirm they aren’t a cop… if someone claims cop and decodes as such we probably axe beet anyway, and his alignment will tell the doc what to do tonight and everyone else what to do tomorrow. Nobody else should RC, pretty much for the foreseeable future, as that will protect us a bit, the scum will have no idea if we have a doc and if they got them, we’ll take RC’s from future lynch choices of course. During the interregnum while beet and I decode and we wait for possible cop claims I suggest everyone look through Beet’s message and try to find everything, day 1 or two, indicating who he may have favored or not, annotate messages for review, etc. I will reply shortly with my own decode, and I know there’s a case for me waiting longer to have RC’d but I think we now have enough data to have a good shot at a straight attrition victory if beet dies scum and I get no more investigations by dint of being RB’s or dead.
If all goes according to plan, we start tomorrow with 6 players, 7 if we’re lucky, but I’m a pessimist, down a townie and a scummer either 5-1 or 4-2 if there were 3 scum. If Yuna, Hieshyn, and ? and myself are town, presumably one of us will be the NK tonight and the surviving three will need to guess right amongst Fox, Stpehne, and Rana, with a 2 in 3 random chance at LyLo if there are 2 scummers, or with multiple non-LyLo 1 in 3 chances if there’s just 1 scum left after Beet. Better than 50/50 odds for either option and that doesn’t include any evidence we might be able to cobble together or any extra investigations or docings we might get. My loose advice if I get axed tonight and beet dies scum is to probable have everyone decode their RC’s, odds are good the scum claimed vanilla or less common roles, and that will likely make the difference. The tone and flavor of a lot of those random and self-selected RC’s might make a difference, we’ll also want Beet to decode his self-selected accusation if he hasn’t already, as well as everyone else, I’d didn’t see anyway to do that for him specifically without raising an eyebrow or would have done it already.
And Yes, there are a lot of different ways I could play this, many possibly getting us even more info, but I don't want a long day and I also expect to be fairly busy and distracted for the next couple of weeks, active in the game but not with my head entirely into it, so this seemed the best option, particularly since we're small enough in number that a bad lynch could go down while I wasn't looking.
Anyway, that’s where we stand at the moment, thoughts?
The person, of course, was Beetnemesis. I’d decided when I got the hit back I’d need to claim today, so if I got murdered tonight that wouldn’t be lost. I wanted to get as much data as possible though about who he did or did not favor or vote for, as there’s a real chance it would be our last hard data. If there’s only two scum, and he is one, then the survivor might have a RB/NK choice each night and we’d have a good shot at bulling through. If there are three, and he’s not a RBer but they have one, they’ll lock me down after this, or try for a NK, or both. We don’t know if we have a doc amongst the living, but neither do the scum, and odds favor it right now so the RB if they’ve got one tonight would seem probable, and the NK would be the usual guessing game between them and the doc.
So, assuming my copping is valid, which we’ll know when beet dies… he’ll either die scum or town and if the latter I’ll know he was a miller or I’m psycho, of course he’ll claim and if he claims town and says he’s a miller we’ll all know I’m sane but barring that… anyone he’ll have a RC to decode for us or just fess up to being scum. If he claims town, non-miller, and dies as town I’ll know I’m probably psycho and you’ll know I’m psycho or scum and can act accordingly tomorrow. We all know the various options and improbabilities that can be involved but unless Beet’s decode is miller I think we can assume we’ll lynch him today, if he does decode as miller then we’ll have to consider the options but probably the same.
So, there’s the pre-amble, but what do we know? As I said, I’d have liked to suck more data out of this Day where beet’s concerned but I doubt we’d get too much, and for the rest of this message I will assume Beet is scum. Thus far he pressed strongly for a claim from ?, and I doubt he’d have done that from another scummer, so I’m going to assume for now that ? is town, which his readiness to claim indicates… as I said to Rana, I’d find that an improbable behavior from a scummer fresh into a new role and I doubt if scum he had a chance to talk to his allies, having been their night victim, but it is always possible beet was given permission to send ? a NB or two come dawn, that wouldn’t be too improbable with a sub going on, and sent him some slam dunk RC knowing ? would have a chance to make a knew RC on Kronin’s. In my experience, when scum I usually try to develop good RC for myself an allies on night 1 and I often want them in play publicly ASAP, so this may have happened. I don’t consider this too improbable, but also not too likely. So for now, I think the odds are very strong Beet is scum and ? is town.
Now, Rana was ?’s accuser, but that doesn’t mean much to me yet. We have only two others who really weighed in on ?, and that’s Yuna and Hieshyn. My feeling from their responses is that neither is too likely to be scum, especially Yuna, who seemed particularly miffed about the accusation on ?, which seems like more disapproval than a scummer would apply to a townie who was being accused. My current impression, as the most probable scenario, is:
Beet – Scum
? – Town
Yuna – Prob-Town
Hieshyn – Prob-ish-town
… and Fox, Stephen, and Ranagrande basically neutral.
Our next step would be for me to decode, for beet to decode, and for us to wait a bit for everyone to confirm they aren’t a cop… if someone claims cop and decodes as such we probably axe beet anyway, and his alignment will tell the doc what to do tonight and everyone else what to do tomorrow. Nobody else should RC, pretty much for the foreseeable future, as that will protect us a bit, the scum will have no idea if we have a doc and if they got them, we’ll take RC’s from future lynch choices of course. During the interregnum while beet and I decode and we wait for possible cop claims I suggest everyone look through Beet’s message and try to find everything, day 1 or two, indicating who he may have favored or not, annotate messages for review, etc. I will reply shortly with my own decode, and I know there’s a case for me waiting longer to have RC’d but I think we now have enough data to have a good shot at a straight attrition victory if beet dies scum and I get no more investigations by dint of being RB’s or dead.
If all goes according to plan, we start tomorrow with 6 players, 7 if we’re lucky, but I’m a pessimist, down a townie and a scummer either 5-1 or 4-2 if there were 3 scum. If Yuna, Hieshyn, and ? and myself are town, presumably one of us will be the NK tonight and the surviving three will need to guess right amongst Fox, Stpehne, and Rana, with a 2 in 3 random chance at LyLo if there are 2 scummers, or with multiple non-LyLo 1 in 3 chances if there’s just 1 scum left after Beet. Better than 50/50 odds for either option and that doesn’t include any evidence we might be able to cobble together or any extra investigations or docings we might get. My loose advice if I get axed tonight and beet dies scum is to probable have everyone decode their RC’s, odds are good the scum claimed vanilla or less common roles, and that will likely make the difference. The tone and flavor of a lot of those random and self-selected RC’s might make a difference, we’ll also want Beet to decode his self-selected accusation if he hasn’t already, as well as everyone else, I’d didn’t see anyway to do that for him specifically without raising an eyebrow or would have done it already.
And Yes, there are a lot of different ways I could play this, many possibly getting us even more info, but I don't want a long day and I also expect to be fairly busy and distracted for the next couple of weeks, active in the game but not with my head entirely into it, so this seemed the best option, particularly since we're small enough in number that a bad lynch could go down while I wasn't looking.
Anyway, that’s where we stand at the moment, thoughts?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Game 24, Day 2 - Game has ended
06/11/2011 06:04:27 PM
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I'm actually a bit surprised by the choice of ?
06/11/2011 07:34:57 PM
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I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it
07/11/2011 12:43:21 AM
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Re: I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it
07/11/2011 12:57:32 AM
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... and the two things
07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM
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UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT
07/11/2011 02:59:27 PM
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Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT
07/11/2011 06:23:42 PM
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Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT
07/11/2011 08:17:53 PM
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Wait, would everyone be picking their own two letters? Ah, ok, it's not as dangerous as I thought
07/11/2011 08:20:32 PM
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no *NM*
07/11/2011 06:19:20 PM
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FT already banned it *NM*
07/11/2011 06:20:45 PM
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Vote: ?
07/11/2011 02:33:43 PM
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He could have just been being polite
07/11/2011 06:34:30 PM
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Very good point, I think a roleclaim from ?, using Kronin's coded roleclaim from yesterday
07/11/2011 08:22:45 PM
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? can't decode Kronin's RC, and he wouldn't be allowed to give his own
07/11/2011 08:45:50 PM
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yeah I could go ahead and roleclaim if you want...
07/11/2011 08:56:41 PM
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No, I don't want you to claim
07/11/2011 08:57:47 PM
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Wait what's the difference?
07/11/2011 09:06:06 PM
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is this gonna turn into that game where i got lynched thrice in one game but for ? instead?
07/11/2011 10:24:15 PM
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Anybody else get a chuckle out of this? *NM*
07/11/2011 06:36:28 PM
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out of what? *NM*
07/11/2011 07:51:06 PM
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you have to go into the messege like i said ignore the *NM* prompt *NM*
07/11/2011 08:54:22 PM
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Shrug, I think we should still get a roleclaim from ?/Kronin
08/11/2011 01:51:24 PM
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I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think...
08/11/2011 08:46:07 PM
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Vote: Beetnemesis
09/11/2011 10:24:06 PM
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Bah, now I have to claim as well
09/11/2011 10:46:37 PM
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decoding:
09/11/2011 11:22:31 PM
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Would you mind walking through that last step?
09/11/2011 11:44:30 PM
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Hmm...You mention me a lot in that post...Was that me as ? or me as Kronin? I'm a tad confused.
09/11/2011 11:28:55 PM
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Is or Is Not a Cop (Table)
10/11/2011 12:52:52 AM
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I'm the daycop. Vote: Ranagrande.
10/11/2011 01:41:59 AM
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EBWOP: here's the code.
10/11/2011 01:43:00 AM
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EBWOP again
10/11/2011 01:44:04 AM
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Stand by for the moment
10/11/2011 01:49:38 AM
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Jesus...I REALLY need to read everything before I start posting.
10/11/2011 01:54:11 AM
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Add to that the next follow up, that ? might previously have been a Day Cop too
10/11/2011 02:04:29 AM
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I am a daycop. I found Isaac innocent. *NM*
10/11/2011 02:02:05 PM
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We still need you role decode *NM*
10/11/2011 06:19:53 PM
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i am a cop
10/11/2011 07:00:14 PM
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Ah, I was wondering how come there was suddenly thirty new posts in this thread.
10/11/2011 03:02:10 AM
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I think it's time to consider mass RC
10/11/2011 08:15:36 PM
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Sure...
10/11/2011 09:19:49 PM
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There's a lot of options still, and decode confirmed by the way
10/11/2011 09:48:05 PM
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The wasy I see it, anybody not claiming cop is going to get lynched
10/11/2011 11:57:24 PM
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Lying and claiming cop when you can't decode your RC will get you lynched faster. *NM*
11/11/2011 12:33:05 AM
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Fox, did you get a response on your investigation? *NM*
11/11/2011 12:20:12 AM
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I hadn't performed one yet.
11/11/2011 12:34:48 AM
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I'll investigate ? because yuna's the other daycop
11/11/2011 04:00:49 AM
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Wait a minute....I meant that I would be testing it against rana. Not yuna
11/11/2011 01:39:16 PM
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It kinda seems like Hieshyn and ? are our logical lynch targets, plus Cop (Table)
11/11/2011 10:09:52 PM
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Vote: ?
11/11/2011 10:46:43 PM
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I'm down with voting for ?, as long as everyone is clear on what our night actions should be
12/11/2011 04:49:53 AM
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Game ends.
14/11/2011 10:25:04 PM
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Role list:
14/11/2011 10:26:32 PM
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Jeeez.
14/11/2011 11:43:47 PM
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Kronin originally RC as a Tracker so we might have done better if we had been able to continue *NM*
15/11/2011 12:06:07 AM
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Also I would like to be added to the list of future Moderator
15/11/2011 12:07:51 AM
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You'd have first dibs via our order of precedence system
15/11/2011 02:05:04 AM
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Also whoever Mods should probably post a recruitment thread on some other NBs
15/11/2011 02:50:02 AM
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I expect my next game to draw in some new players.
15/11/2011 02:58:59 AM
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More is better, okay that would be Hieshyn or Beet then, unless ? wants to toss in
15/11/2011 03:26:25 AM
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I don't have anything prepared, so if Hieshyn wants it, I'll be happy to go after him
15/11/2011 03:28:40 AM
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I'm not ready to go next
15/11/2011 02:43:07 PM
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Aight, I think it's me then.
15/11/2011 03:15:21 PM
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ooooh
15/11/2011 11:27:26 PM
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Before the next game starts, we probably need to discuss RC coding
15/11/2011 02:15:27 AM
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Yeah, I really didn't like that idea.
15/11/2011 02:58:21 AM
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An informal agreement is probably the way to go then
15/11/2011 03:08:17 AM
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Although really, it's the same as if in IRL everyone just wrote down their role on a piece of paper
15/11/2011 03:28:00 AM
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Yeah, I don't think it warrants being banned (hence why I didn't), but I don't like it. *NM*
15/11/2011 03:37:59 AM
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