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Vote: Beetnemesis Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/11/2011 10:24:06 PM
Okay, I’ve been giving this some thought, and I’ve decided that a claim is the only option today, as I’ve tended to be a night 2 target a lot of late and there’s no HCing to protect my data. My role says cop, I’ll provide the proper decryption for that in a follow up. Incidentally the main motivator for the earlier role comparison plan was that being the cop, and with the poems being identical and our roles not being revealed, and my first night yielding a scummer… which always brings the possibility of psycho-cop to mind… I wondered about the off possibility of us having multiple cops or lots of twinned roles, ?’s presumably truthful claim of yesterday meant we couldn’t all be, on reflection, but I still expect there’s a real chance off role weirdness.

The person, of course, was Beetnemesis. I’d decided when I got the hit back I’d need to claim today, so if I got murdered tonight that wouldn’t be lost. I wanted to get as much data as possible though about who he did or did not favor or vote for, as there’s a real chance it would be our last hard data. If there’s only two scum, and he is one, then the survivor might have a RB/NK choice each night and we’d have a good shot at bulling through. If there are three, and he’s not a RBer but they have one, they’ll lock me down after this, or try for a NK, or both. We don’t know if we have a doc amongst the living, but neither do the scum, and odds favor it right now so the RB if they’ve got one tonight would seem probable, and the NK would be the usual guessing game between them and the doc.

So, assuming my copping is valid, which we’ll know when beet dies… he’ll either die scum or town and if the latter I’ll know he was a miller or I’m psycho, of course he’ll claim and if he claims town and says he’s a miller we’ll all know I’m sane but barring that… anyone he’ll have a RC to decode for us or just fess up to being scum. If he claims town, non-miller, and dies as town I’ll know I’m probably psycho and you’ll know I’m psycho or scum and can act accordingly tomorrow. We all know the various options and improbabilities that can be involved but unless Beet’s decode is miller I think we can assume we’ll lynch him today, if he does decode as miller then we’ll have to consider the options but probably the same.

So, there’s the pre-amble, but what do we know? As I said, I’d have liked to suck more data out of this Day where beet’s concerned but I doubt we’d get too much, and for the rest of this message I will assume Beet is scum. Thus far he pressed strongly for a claim from ?, and I doubt he’d have done that from another scummer, so I’m going to assume for now that ? is town, which his readiness to claim indicates… as I said to Rana, I’d find that an improbable behavior from a scummer fresh into a new role and I doubt if scum he had a chance to talk to his allies, having been their night victim, but it is always possible beet was given permission to send ? a NB or two come dawn, that wouldn’t be too improbable with a sub going on, and sent him some slam dunk RC knowing ? would have a chance to make a knew RC on Kronin’s. In my experience, when scum I usually try to develop good RC for myself an allies on night 1 and I often want them in play publicly ASAP, so this may have happened. I don’t consider this too improbable, but also not too likely. So for now, I think the odds are very strong Beet is scum and ? is town.

Now, Rana was ?’s accuser, but that doesn’t mean much to me yet. We have only two others who really weighed in on ?, and that’s Yuna and Hieshyn. My feeling from their responses is that neither is too likely to be scum, especially Yuna, who seemed particularly miffed about the accusation on ?, which seems like more disapproval than a scummer would apply to a townie who was being accused. My current impression, as the most probable scenario, is:

Beet – Scum
? – Town
Yuna – Prob-Town
Hieshyn – Prob-ish-town
… and Fox, Stephen, and Ranagrande basically neutral.

Our next step would be for me to decode, for beet to decode, and for us to wait a bit for everyone to confirm they aren’t a cop… if someone claims cop and decodes as such we probably axe beet anyway, and his alignment will tell the doc what to do tonight and everyone else what to do tomorrow. Nobody else should RC, pretty much for the foreseeable future, as that will protect us a bit, the scum will have no idea if we have a doc and if they got them, we’ll take RC’s from future lynch choices of course. During the interregnum while beet and I decode and we wait for possible cop claims I suggest everyone look through Beet’s message and try to find everything, day 1 or two, indicating who he may have favored or not, annotate messages for review, etc. I will reply shortly with my own decode, and I know there’s a case for me waiting longer to have RC’d but I think we now have enough data to have a good shot at a straight attrition victory if beet dies scum and I get no more investigations by dint of being RB’s or dead.

If all goes according to plan, we start tomorrow with 6 players, 7 if we’re lucky, but I’m a pessimist, down a townie and a scummer either 5-1 or 4-2 if there were 3 scum. If Yuna, Hieshyn, and ? and myself are town, presumably one of us will be the NK tonight and the surviving three will need to guess right amongst Fox, Stpehne, and Rana, with a 2 in 3 random chance at LyLo if there are 2 scummers, or with multiple non-LyLo 1 in 3 chances if there’s just 1 scum left after Beet. Better than 50/50 odds for either option and that doesn’t include any evidence we might be able to cobble together or any extra investigations or docings we might get. My loose advice if I get axed tonight and beet dies scum is to probable have everyone decode their RC’s, odds are good the scum claimed vanilla or less common roles, and that will likely make the difference. The tone and flavor of a lot of those random and self-selected RC’s might make a difference, we’ll also want Beet to decode his self-selected accusation if he hasn’t already, as well as everyone else, I’d didn’t see anyway to do that for him specifically without raising an eyebrow or would have done it already.

And Yes, there are a lot of different ways I could play this, many possibly getting us even more info, but I don't want a long day and I also expect to be fairly busy and distracted for the next couple of weeks, active in the game but not with my head entirely into it, so this seemed the best option, particularly since we're small enough in number that a bad lynch could go down while I wasn't looking.

Anyway, that’s where we stand at the moment, thoughts?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Game 24, Day 2 - Game has ended - 06/11/2011 06:04:27 PM 1262 Views
I'm actually a bit surprised by the choice of ? - 06/11/2011 07:34:57 PM 1129 Views
Yes, it was an oversight. He was a townie. *NM* - 06/11/2011 08:01:11 PM 468 Views
Voting record: - 07/11/2011 05:25:40 PM 1026 Views
Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 02:52:26 PM 823 Views
Re: Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 03:36:31 PM 983 Views
I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it - 07/11/2011 12:43:21 AM 957 Views
... and the two things - 07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM 977 Views
I object to this plan. - 07/11/2011 02:07:35 AM 874 Views
UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 02:59:27 PM 764 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 06:23:42 PM 895 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 08:17:53 PM 795 Views
Wait, would everyone be picking their own two letters? Ah, ok, it's not as dangerous as I thought - 07/11/2011 08:20:32 PM 800 Views
Yes *NM* - 07/11/2011 08:41:04 PM 457 Views
and follow that to the logical conclusion... - 07/11/2011 08:40:43 PM 1052 Views
no *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:19:20 PM 494 Views
FT already banned it *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:20:45 PM 448 Views
I know, I'm just voicing my opinion *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:27:34 PM 380 Views
Besides the ban, I can't see why you'd object - 07/11/2011 06:44:14 PM 831 Views
errrm, i don't think no is a strong enough word for this *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:58:09 PM 585 Views
? will be replacing Kronin... - 07/11/2011 01:56:08 AM 844 Views
Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:33:43 PM 1019 Views
Re: Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:42:15 PM 1138 Views
I'll echo that vote. - 07/11/2011 06:15:21 PM 1010 Views
He could have just been being polite - 07/11/2011 06:34:30 PM 1182 Views
Very good point, I think a roleclaim from ?, using Kronin's coded roleclaim from yesterday - 07/11/2011 08:22:45 PM 960 Views
? can't decode Kronin's RC, and he wouldn't be allowed to give his own - 07/11/2011 08:45:50 PM 901 Views
yeah I could go ahead and roleclaim if you want... - 07/11/2011 08:56:41 PM 848 Views
No, I don't want you to claim - 07/11/2011 08:57:47 PM 775 Views
Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:06 PM 812 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:23 PM 871 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:09:04 PM 843 Views
I oh got confused. - 08/11/2011 02:41:46 AM 894 Views
That is not the case against Kronin. - 07/11/2011 09:48:52 PM 704 Views
I don't think substitution is enough - 07/11/2011 10:25:27 PM 971 Views
Anybody else get a chuckle out of this? *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:36:28 PM 436 Views
Ignore the *NM* *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:43:16 PM 432 Views
doubly so... - 07/11/2011 06:49:05 PM 985 Views
out of what? *NM* - 07/11/2011 07:51:06 PM 423 Views
Shrug, I think we should still get a roleclaim from ?/Kronin - 08/11/2011 01:51:24 PM 947 Views
I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 08:46:07 PM 883 Views
Re: I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 09:39:45 PM 945 Views
Heh. Die? Die! His username makes that weird. *NM* - 08/11/2011 10:55:22 PM 480 Views
eh - 08/11/2011 10:40:47 PM 915 Views
What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 02:32:14 PM 910 Views
Re: What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 08:38:19 PM 922 Views
Semi-RBIRL - 09/11/2011 05:26:11 AM 834 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 09/11/2011 10:24:06 PM 1015 Views
RC decode - 09/11/2011 10:35:52 PM 975 Views
Bah, now I have to claim as well - 09/11/2011 10:46:37 PM 867 Views
All right, let's proceed sanely then - 09/11/2011 10:51:12 PM 860 Views
OK, Unvote - 09/11/2011 11:23:35 PM 765 Views
decoding: - 09/11/2011 11:22:31 PM 902 Views
Would you mind walking through that last step? - 09/11/2011 11:44:30 PM 866 Views
Not at all. - 10/11/2011 12:09:09 AM 867 Views
Okay I confirm your decode then - 10/11/2011 12:16:22 AM 846 Views
... *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:59:58 PM 532 Views
Woah. Problems. - 09/11/2011 11:32:40 PM 798 Views
there is something really fishy going on... *NM* - 09/11/2011 11:34:09 PM 442 Views
what? - 09/11/2011 11:32:45 PM 689 Views
Re: what? - 09/11/2011 11:34:16 PM 737 Views
Actually, there's a strong chance neither is lying - 09/11/2011 11:53:35 PM 1053 Views
So, what now? - 10/11/2011 12:49:12 AM 1141 Views
Is or Is Not a Cop (Table) - 10/11/2011 12:52:52 AM 910 Views
I am not a cop. *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:04:38 AM 361 Views
I'm the daycop. Vote: Ranagrande. - 10/11/2011 01:41:59 AM 856 Views
EBWOP: here's the code. - 10/11/2011 01:43:00 AM 717 Views
Decode confirmed - 10/11/2011 02:08:26 AM 728 Views
Yeah, forgot to say I used Vignere. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:18:31 AM 434 Views
EBWOP again - 10/11/2011 01:44:04 AM 694 Views
Stand by for the moment - 10/11/2011 01:49:38 AM 878 Views
Jesus...I REALLY need to read everything before I start posting. - 10/11/2011 01:54:11 AM 880 Views
Add to that the next follow up, that ? might previously have been a Day Cop too - 10/11/2011 02:04:29 AM 928 Views
It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:18:02 AM 843 Views
Re: It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:30:00 AM 1171 Views
I am a daycop. I found Isaac innocent. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:02:05 PM 479 Views
We still need you role decode *NM* - 10/11/2011 06:19:53 PM 402 Views
(I did, in my other message) - 10/11/2011 07:18:43 PM 691 Views
Okay, got ya, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:02:55 PM 418 Views
i am a cop - 10/11/2011 07:00:14 PM 709 Views
and my decode - 10/11/2011 07:14:38 PM 884 Views
Yep, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:06:16 PM 481 Views
Also, which ? did you check? - 10/11/2011 08:08:05 PM 789 Views
original ? - 10/11/2011 08:10:30 PM 893 Views
Thanks *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:11:13 PM 395 Views
Not a cop *NM* - 10/11/2011 11:48:27 PM 650 Views
To the decode-mobile! *plays 60s Batman music* - 11/11/2011 02:32:06 PM 777 Views
Let's take another look at that poem - 10/11/2011 01:44:36 AM 967 Views
Hahaha I have to read all of these posts, but FT, you're insane. - 10/11/2011 01:58:01 PM 935 Views
FT IS insane. Turns out I was missing something after all. *NM* - 10/11/2011 09:59:56 PM 382 Views
OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 02:23:10 PM 941 Views
Re: OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 05:52:25 PM 1006 Views
I think it's time to consider mass RC - 10/11/2011 08:15:36 PM 792 Views
Sure... - 10/11/2011 09:19:49 PM 1044 Views
There's a lot of options still, and decode confirmed by the way - 10/11/2011 09:48:05 PM 1037 Views
I have been nominated! - 10/11/2011 10:30:37 PM 913 Views
Thanks - 10/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 964 Views
My pleasure *NM* - 10/11/2011 10:44:23 PM 372 Views
*NM* - 10/11/2011 11:21:59 PM 405 Views
Not saying that that is right of course... - 10/11/2011 11:23:23 PM 868 Views
Hmm... - 10/11/2011 11:20:50 PM 736 Views
I totally agree. - 10/11/2011 09:54:25 PM 783 Views
The wasy I see it, anybody not claiming cop is going to get lynched - 10/11/2011 11:57:24 PM 921 Views
Lying and claiming cop when you can't decode your RC will get you lynched faster. *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:33:05 AM 407 Views
Which I didn't do *NM* - 11/11/2011 02:05:30 AM 441 Views
I know, I know. - 11/11/2011 03:57:51 AM 758 Views
Fox, did you get a response on your investigation? *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:20:12 AM 495 Views
I hadn't performed one yet. - 11/11/2011 12:34:48 AM 866 Views
Isaac - 11/11/2011 02:00:18 AM 967 Views
Or me - 11/11/2011 02:07:10 AM 883 Views
I'd recommend ? - 11/11/2011 02:15:24 AM 741 Views
Bring it. - 11/11/2011 03:10:14 AM 784 Views
Someone who has already been copped - 11/11/2011 03:57:08 AM 732 Views
I'll investigate ? because yuna's the other daycop - 11/11/2011 04:00:49 AM 745 Views
Wait a minute....I meant that I would be testing it against rana. Not yuna - 11/11/2011 01:39:16 PM 1024 Views
no i'm not, im a normal cop *NM* - 11/11/2011 09:18:23 PM 475 Views
I had everything messed up anyway *NM* - 12/11/2011 10:45:54 PM 420 Views
Vote: Beetnemisis/RBIRL - 11/11/2011 02:04:35 AM 812 Views
Hey people sorry for the unexpected RBIRL - 11/11/2011 11:47:11 AM 970 Views
RBIRL here too. - 11/11/2011 01:34:45 PM 732 Views
I'm thinking either Hieshyn or ? - 11/11/2011 04:32:16 PM 883 Views
It kinda seems like Hieshyn and ? are our logical lynch targets, plus Cop (Table) - 11/11/2011 10:09:52 PM 1087 Views
Fox investigated ? and found him innocent *NM* - 11/11/2011 10:41:39 PM 399 Views
Vote: ? - 11/11/2011 10:46:43 PM 747 Views
Yeah, that seems logical next step, Vote: ? - 13/11/2011 02:59:25 AM 1069 Views
mrr, vote ? then *NM* - 13/11/2011 10:27:49 AM 573 Views
Think my vote was on ? already. - 13/11/2011 04:26:49 PM 870 Views
Vote: ? *NM* - 14/11/2011 02:27:20 AM 518 Views
That should be lynch with yours, so... - 14/11/2011 03:07:36 AM 802 Views
? Has been lynched - 14/11/2011 03:50:31 AM 957 Views
Game ends. - 14/11/2011 10:25:04 PM 824 Views
Role list: - 14/11/2011 10:26:32 PM 876 Views
Jeeez. - 14/11/2011 11:43:47 PM 832 Views
Kronin originally RC as a Tracker so we might have done better if we had been able to continue *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:06:07 AM 416 Views
Not even cause tracker is still the odd man out. - 15/11/2011 12:20:17 AM 832 Views
That might have worked but everyone would have had targets - 15/11/2011 02:20:43 AM 920 Views
Maybe, but I still would have known he was guilty. *NM* - 15/11/2011 02:55:43 AM 388 Views
You were paranoid, amusingly enough. - 15/11/2011 02:59:43 AM 841 Views
Ya there was no hope for us *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:04:06 AM 423 Views
YAY! - 14/11/2011 10:48:54 PM 814 Views
Wow. *NM* - 15/11/2011 01:09:28 AM 480 Views
Also I would like to be added to the list of future Moderator - 15/11/2011 12:07:51 AM 701 Views
You'd have first dibs via our order of precedence system - 15/11/2011 02:05:04 AM 956 Views
Also whoever Mods should probably post a recruitment thread on some other NBs - 15/11/2011 02:50:02 AM 878 Views
I expect my next game to draw in some new players. - 15/11/2011 02:58:59 AM 841 Views
More is better, okay that would be Hieshyn or Beet then, unless ? wants to toss in - 15/11/2011 03:26:25 AM 822 Views
Nope I'm not ready to mod yet... - 15/11/2011 08:29:24 PM 756 Views
hey - 15/11/2011 09:46:28 PM 709 Views
It's Hieshyn's if he wants it, otherwise I can go next. - 15/11/2011 12:40:13 PM 875 Views
I'm not ready to go next - 15/11/2011 02:43:07 PM 951 Views
Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 03:15:21 PM 715 Views
Re: Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 04:09:07 PM 912 Views
Deathless Mafia? Is that a thing? SQUEE, Mistborn! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:15:49 PM 378 Views
If it wasn't a thing before, it is now! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:53:14 PM 379 Views
ooooh - 15/11/2011 11:27:26 PM 754 Views
You've got a week to read the last 2....GO, GO, GO!! *NM* - 15/11/2011 11:43:21 PM 402 Views
hah! i could read both in two days - 16/11/2011 07:56:58 PM 783 Views
Just for you, the game shall be spoiler free! *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:12:24 AM 375 Views
Speaking of which, any timeline yet? - 19/11/2011 07:25:11 PM 777 Views
Sounds fantastic - 16/11/2011 12:10:06 AM 922 Views
That could also be fantastic. *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:13:29 AM 425 Views
I AM ALL SORTS OF PUMPED. *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:38 PM 448 Views
Though may or may not actually be playing... *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:58 PM 380 Views
Before the next game starts, we probably need to discuss RC coding - 15/11/2011 02:15:27 AM 1055 Views
Yeah, I really didn't like that idea. - 15/11/2011 02:58:21 AM 1142 Views
An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:08:17 AM 960 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:36:38 AM 849 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:43:39 AM 1193 Views
I really didn't like it either. - 16/11/2011 06:20:33 PM 839 Views
I liked my plan: Random voting ftw! *NM* - 16/11/2011 06:29:07 PM 419 Views

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