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... and the two things Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM
First, before anyone bothers mentioning it, we can't hypocop. A person is either alive to say what they did when they claim, or they're dead and we don't know what they were, so HCing serves no purpose except to give the scum a way to pinpoint investigators, as they'd be able to go through the 8 HC's and eliminate not only themselves but usually a little over half the players as possible cops, and the 5-6 remaining townies already provide a tiny pool for them to go fishing in, so knocking that down to 1-3 possible cops for their night 2 NK is a bad idea. That risk is always present but in this small a game it would be an especially big risk and of course would benefit us not at all, since we won't know someone was the cop or tracker or whatever unless they are still alive to tell us anyway. I was tempted to leave that unsaid on the hope a scummer might suggest it, but my brain is always in scummer mode and the immediate mental follow up was "That would be so perfect to frame someone with", and I do think it just as likely if not more likely that a townie would suggest it, as most townies won't give it a second thought where as the scum faction, I think, is likely to have considered HCing, concluded it wold be great if it occurred, and then realized how likely they were to get axed if they suggested it and someone pointed out that HCing in this game would be incredibly anti-town... and in a moment of full disclosure my very next thought was that if that happened and I decided to defend someone who had done it, they might die scum after all and drag me down with them :P So, all things considered, I think it best to just point out now that HCing in this game is about as beneficial as tap-dancing on a frozen lake.

Now, the pair of probably bum leads... I don't want to explain the reasoning on this in advance and won't bother to unless they pan out, I just want to check on something, and I don't think there's much advantage to going through with encryption considering the fairly slim odds of this actually working. I just want people to answer this until we get a different answer, and I'm betting we need to do this with exactly two players before writing the plan off, if it pans out, then we can follow up but for now...

Concept of Question: Excluding the poetry in your RM, that is, only the text dealing with your alignment and role, count the number of times the letter T as in Tango and E as in Echo appear. Subtract the T's from the E's and respond with that value to this message.

Example: You are a vanilla and win with the town

E appears once, T appears thrice, you'd reply negative two, -2

Example 2: "There must be some kind of way out of here," Said the joker to the thief, "There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.

E appears 15 times, T appears 10, so 5.

Yes it's a touch roundabout and there is a certain element of risk to people exposing they have very long messages and thus might be a role, I picked T and E as basically the "Wheel of Fortune" letters of choice, and likely to have a relatively low difference, they also don't appear in 'vanilla', 'cop', 'mafia', 'scum' or 'doc'

Basically, I would like everyone to do that, but I want everyone to pick different letters of their own choosing, just 1) Make it clear which they picked, 2) Promise to throughly double-check their answer, and 3) Make sure you don't include your poem, title, name, date, etc just the RM text, so a reply like:

R - L = 6

Would be just fine by me, it's a touch of extra work but minimizes the chance of damage, as everyone can pick their own letters. I'd prefer everyone just answer up quickly on a first come first serve basis and without discussing this much. In all probability nothing will comes of this, but it is something I want to rule out now and preferably tonight, and do so without endangering anyone. So the summarized question is:

Pick two letters of your choosing, count how many times each appears in the role and victory condition piece of your RM, then post in reply to this message what those two letters were and which you subtracted from the other and what the number was, please do not discuss and please double-check your count carefully.

... and in all likelihood after the first couple people respond I'll interrupt and say 'waste of time, thanks'
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
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Game 24, Day 2 - Game has ended - 06/11/2011 06:04:27 PM 1217 Views
I'm actually a bit surprised by the choice of ? - 06/11/2011 07:34:57 PM 1110 Views
Yes, it was an oversight. He was a townie. *NM* - 06/11/2011 08:01:11 PM 450 Views
Voting record: - 07/11/2011 05:25:40 PM 980 Views
Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 02:52:26 PM 786 Views
Re: Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 03:36:31 PM 943 Views
I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it - 07/11/2011 12:43:21 AM 920 Views
... and the two things - 07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM 941 Views
I object to this plan. - 07/11/2011 02:07:35 AM 837 Views
UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 02:59:27 PM 722 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 06:23:42 PM 853 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 08:17:53 PM 750 Views
Wait, would everyone be picking their own two letters? Ah, ok, it's not as dangerous as I thought - 07/11/2011 08:20:32 PM 756 Views
Yes *NM* - 07/11/2011 08:41:04 PM 444 Views
and follow that to the logical conclusion... - 07/11/2011 08:40:43 PM 1011 Views
no *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:19:20 PM 476 Views
FT already banned it *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:20:45 PM 432 Views
I know, I'm just voicing my opinion *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:27:34 PM 364 Views
Besides the ban, I can't see why you'd object - 07/11/2011 06:44:14 PM 788 Views
errrm, i don't think no is a strong enough word for this *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:58:09 PM 570 Views
? will be replacing Kronin... - 07/11/2011 01:56:08 AM 810 Views
Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:33:43 PM 981 Views
Re: Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:42:15 PM 1100 Views
I'll echo that vote. - 07/11/2011 06:15:21 PM 974 Views
He could have just been being polite - 07/11/2011 06:34:30 PM 1146 Views
Very good point, I think a roleclaim from ?, using Kronin's coded roleclaim from yesterday - 07/11/2011 08:22:45 PM 920 Views
? can't decode Kronin's RC, and he wouldn't be allowed to give his own - 07/11/2011 08:45:50 PM 858 Views
yeah I could go ahead and roleclaim if you want... - 07/11/2011 08:56:41 PM 826 Views
No, I don't want you to claim - 07/11/2011 08:57:47 PM 741 Views
Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:06 PM 771 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:23 PM 826 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:09:04 PM 806 Views
I oh got confused. - 08/11/2011 02:41:46 AM 858 Views
That is not the case against Kronin. - 07/11/2011 09:48:52 PM 680 Views
I don't think substitution is enough - 07/11/2011 10:25:27 PM 923 Views
Anybody else get a chuckle out of this? *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:36:28 PM 412 Views
Ignore the *NM* *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:43:16 PM 419 Views
doubly so... - 07/11/2011 06:49:05 PM 944 Views
out of what? *NM* - 07/11/2011 07:51:06 PM 408 Views
Shrug, I think we should still get a roleclaim from ?/Kronin - 08/11/2011 01:51:24 PM 905 Views
I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 08:46:07 PM 835 Views
Re: I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 09:39:45 PM 898 Views
Heh. Die? Die! His username makes that weird. *NM* - 08/11/2011 10:55:22 PM 465 Views
eh - 08/11/2011 10:40:47 PM 868 Views
What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 02:32:14 PM 867 Views
Re: What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 08:38:19 PM 900 Views
Semi-RBIRL - 09/11/2011 05:26:11 AM 796 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 09/11/2011 10:24:06 PM 970 Views
RC decode - 09/11/2011 10:35:52 PM 945 Views
Bah, now I have to claim as well - 09/11/2011 10:46:37 PM 827 Views
All right, let's proceed sanely then - 09/11/2011 10:51:12 PM 821 Views
OK, Unvote - 09/11/2011 11:23:35 PM 718 Views
decoding: - 09/11/2011 11:22:31 PM 864 Views
Would you mind walking through that last step? - 09/11/2011 11:44:30 PM 830 Views
Not at all. - 10/11/2011 12:09:09 AM 829 Views
Okay I confirm your decode then - 10/11/2011 12:16:22 AM 799 Views
... *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:59:58 PM 509 Views
Woah. Problems. - 09/11/2011 11:32:40 PM 759 Views
there is something really fishy going on... *NM* - 09/11/2011 11:34:09 PM 422 Views
what? - 09/11/2011 11:32:45 PM 653 Views
Re: what? - 09/11/2011 11:34:16 PM 698 Views
Actually, there's a strong chance neither is lying - 09/11/2011 11:53:35 PM 1006 Views
So, what now? - 10/11/2011 12:49:12 AM 1099 Views
Is or Is Not a Cop (Table) - 10/11/2011 12:52:52 AM 877 Views
I am not a cop. *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:04:38 AM 346 Views
I'm the daycop. Vote: Ranagrande. - 10/11/2011 01:41:59 AM 816 Views
EBWOP: here's the code. - 10/11/2011 01:43:00 AM 680 Views
Decode confirmed - 10/11/2011 02:08:26 AM 687 Views
Yeah, forgot to say I used Vignere. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:18:31 AM 417 Views
EBWOP again - 10/11/2011 01:44:04 AM 656 Views
Stand by for the moment - 10/11/2011 01:49:38 AM 848 Views
Jesus...I REALLY need to read everything before I start posting. - 10/11/2011 01:54:11 AM 839 Views
Add to that the next follow up, that ? might previously have been a Day Cop too - 10/11/2011 02:04:29 AM 882 Views
It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:18:02 AM 799 Views
Re: It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:30:00 AM 1135 Views
I am a daycop. I found Isaac innocent. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:02:05 PM 458 Views
We still need you role decode *NM* - 10/11/2011 06:19:53 PM 384 Views
(I did, in my other message) - 10/11/2011 07:18:43 PM 648 Views
Okay, got ya, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:02:55 PM 402 Views
i am a cop - 10/11/2011 07:00:14 PM 669 Views
and my decode - 10/11/2011 07:14:38 PM 843 Views
Yep, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:06:16 PM 467 Views
Also, which ? did you check? - 10/11/2011 08:08:05 PM 753 Views
original ? - 10/11/2011 08:10:30 PM 861 Views
Thanks *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:11:13 PM 381 Views
Not a cop *NM* - 10/11/2011 11:48:27 PM 631 Views
To the decode-mobile! *plays 60s Batman music* - 11/11/2011 02:32:06 PM 739 Views
Let's take another look at that poem - 10/11/2011 01:44:36 AM 926 Views
Hahaha I have to read all of these posts, but FT, you're insane. - 10/11/2011 01:58:01 PM 890 Views
FT IS insane. Turns out I was missing something after all. *NM* - 10/11/2011 09:59:56 PM 368 Views
OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 02:23:10 PM 905 Views
Re: OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 05:52:25 PM 970 Views
I think it's time to consider mass RC - 10/11/2011 08:15:36 PM 747 Views
Sure... - 10/11/2011 09:19:49 PM 1021 Views
There's a lot of options still, and decode confirmed by the way - 10/11/2011 09:48:05 PM 1001 Views
I have been nominated! - 10/11/2011 10:30:37 PM 870 Views
Thanks - 10/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 925 Views
My pleasure *NM* - 10/11/2011 10:44:23 PM 350 Views
*NM* - 10/11/2011 11:21:59 PM 389 Views
Not saying that that is right of course... - 10/11/2011 11:23:23 PM 833 Views
Hmm... - 10/11/2011 11:20:50 PM 706 Views
I totally agree. - 10/11/2011 09:54:25 PM 735 Views
The wasy I see it, anybody not claiming cop is going to get lynched - 10/11/2011 11:57:24 PM 902 Views
Lying and claiming cop when you can't decode your RC will get you lynched faster. *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:33:05 AM 387 Views
Which I didn't do *NM* - 11/11/2011 02:05:30 AM 426 Views
I know, I know. - 11/11/2011 03:57:51 AM 730 Views
Fox, did you get a response on your investigation? *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:20:12 AM 480 Views
I hadn't performed one yet. - 11/11/2011 12:34:48 AM 829 Views
Isaac - 11/11/2011 02:00:18 AM 932 Views
Or me - 11/11/2011 02:07:10 AM 843 Views
I'd recommend ? - 11/11/2011 02:15:24 AM 710 Views
Bring it. - 11/11/2011 03:10:14 AM 746 Views
Someone who has already been copped - 11/11/2011 03:57:08 AM 696 Views
I'll investigate ? because yuna's the other daycop - 11/11/2011 04:00:49 AM 709 Views
Wait a minute....I meant that I would be testing it against rana. Not yuna - 11/11/2011 01:39:16 PM 979 Views
no i'm not, im a normal cop *NM* - 11/11/2011 09:18:23 PM 458 Views
I had everything messed up anyway *NM* - 12/11/2011 10:45:54 PM 402 Views
Vote: Beetnemisis/RBIRL - 11/11/2011 02:04:35 AM 778 Views
Hey people sorry for the unexpected RBIRL - 11/11/2011 11:47:11 AM 936 Views
RBIRL here too. - 11/11/2011 01:34:45 PM 686 Views
I'm thinking either Hieshyn or ? - 11/11/2011 04:32:16 PM 837 Views
It kinda seems like Hieshyn and ? are our logical lynch targets, plus Cop (Table) - 11/11/2011 10:09:52 PM 1045 Views
Fox investigated ? and found him innocent *NM* - 11/11/2011 10:41:39 PM 384 Views
Vote: ? - 11/11/2011 10:46:43 PM 704 Views
Yeah, that seems logical next step, Vote: ? - 13/11/2011 02:59:25 AM 1024 Views
mrr, vote ? then *NM* - 13/11/2011 10:27:49 AM 562 Views
Think my vote was on ? already. - 13/11/2011 04:26:49 PM 826 Views
Vote: ? *NM* - 14/11/2011 02:27:20 AM 503 Views
That should be lynch with yours, so... - 14/11/2011 03:07:36 AM 762 Views
? Has been lynched - 14/11/2011 03:50:31 AM 920 Views
Game ends. - 14/11/2011 10:25:04 PM 786 Views
Role list: - 14/11/2011 10:26:32 PM 834 Views
Jeeez. - 14/11/2011 11:43:47 PM 799 Views
Kronin originally RC as a Tracker so we might have done better if we had been able to continue *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:06:07 AM 398 Views
Not even cause tracker is still the odd man out. - 15/11/2011 12:20:17 AM 796 Views
That might have worked but everyone would have had targets - 15/11/2011 02:20:43 AM 879 Views
Maybe, but I still would have known he was guilty. *NM* - 15/11/2011 02:55:43 AM 368 Views
You were paranoid, amusingly enough. - 15/11/2011 02:59:43 AM 807 Views
Ya there was no hope for us *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:04:06 AM 404 Views
YAY! - 14/11/2011 10:48:54 PM 778 Views
Wow. *NM* - 15/11/2011 01:09:28 AM 470 Views
Also I would like to be added to the list of future Moderator - 15/11/2011 12:07:51 AM 664 Views
You'd have first dibs via our order of precedence system - 15/11/2011 02:05:04 AM 920 Views
Also whoever Mods should probably post a recruitment thread on some other NBs - 15/11/2011 02:50:02 AM 839 Views
I expect my next game to draw in some new players. - 15/11/2011 02:58:59 AM 798 Views
More is better, okay that would be Hieshyn or Beet then, unless ? wants to toss in - 15/11/2011 03:26:25 AM 783 Views
Nope I'm not ready to mod yet... - 15/11/2011 08:29:24 PM 718 Views
hey - 15/11/2011 09:46:28 PM 645 Views
It's Hieshyn's if he wants it, otherwise I can go next. - 15/11/2011 12:40:13 PM 842 Views
I'm not ready to go next - 15/11/2011 02:43:07 PM 908 Views
Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 03:15:21 PM 677 Views
Re: Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 04:09:07 PM 871 Views
Deathless Mafia? Is that a thing? SQUEE, Mistborn! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:15:49 PM 365 Views
If it wasn't a thing before, it is now! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:53:14 PM 358 Views
ooooh - 15/11/2011 11:27:26 PM 716 Views
You've got a week to read the last 2....GO, GO, GO!! *NM* - 15/11/2011 11:43:21 PM 384 Views
hah! i could read both in two days - 16/11/2011 07:56:58 PM 742 Views
Just for you, the game shall be spoiler free! *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:12:24 AM 355 Views
Speaking of which, any timeline yet? - 19/11/2011 07:25:11 PM 738 Views
Sounds fantastic - 16/11/2011 12:10:06 AM 885 Views
That could also be fantastic. *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:13:29 AM 402 Views
I AM ALL SORTS OF PUMPED. *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:38 PM 429 Views
Though may or may not actually be playing... *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:58 PM 366 Views
Before the next game starts, we probably need to discuss RC coding - 15/11/2011 02:15:27 AM 1016 Views
Yeah, I really didn't like that idea. - 15/11/2011 02:58:21 AM 1104 Views
An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:08:17 AM 913 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:36:38 AM 810 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:43:39 AM 1155 Views
I really didn't like it either. - 16/11/2011 06:20:33 PM 799 Views
I liked my plan: Random voting ftw! *NM* - 16/11/2011 06:29:07 PM 405 Views

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