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... and the two things Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM
First, before anyone bothers mentioning it, we can't hypocop. A person is either alive to say what they did when they claim, or they're dead and we don't know what they were, so HCing serves no purpose except to give the scum a way to pinpoint investigators, as they'd be able to go through the 8 HC's and eliminate not only themselves but usually a little over half the players as possible cops, and the 5-6 remaining townies already provide a tiny pool for them to go fishing in, so knocking that down to 1-3 possible cops for their night 2 NK is a bad idea. That risk is always present but in this small a game it would be an especially big risk and of course would benefit us not at all, since we won't know someone was the cop or tracker or whatever unless they are still alive to tell us anyway. I was tempted to leave that unsaid on the hope a scummer might suggest it, but my brain is always in scummer mode and the immediate mental follow up was "That would be so perfect to frame someone with", and I do think it just as likely if not more likely that a townie would suggest it, as most townies won't give it a second thought where as the scum faction, I think, is likely to have considered HCing, concluded it wold be great if it occurred, and then realized how likely they were to get axed if they suggested it and someone pointed out that HCing in this game would be incredibly anti-town... and in a moment of full disclosure my very next thought was that if that happened and I decided to defend someone who had done it, they might die scum after all and drag me down with them :P So, all things considered, I think it best to just point out now that HCing in this game is about as beneficial as tap-dancing on a frozen lake.

Now, the pair of probably bum leads... I don't want to explain the reasoning on this in advance and won't bother to unless they pan out, I just want to check on something, and I don't think there's much advantage to going through with encryption considering the fairly slim odds of this actually working. I just want people to answer this until we get a different answer, and I'm betting we need to do this with exactly two players before writing the plan off, if it pans out, then we can follow up but for now...

Concept of Question: Excluding the poetry in your RM, that is, only the text dealing with your alignment and role, count the number of times the letter T as in Tango and E as in Echo appear. Subtract the T's from the E's and respond with that value to this message.

Example: You are a vanilla and win with the town

E appears once, T appears thrice, you'd reply negative two, -2

Example 2: "There must be some kind of way out of here," Said the joker to the thief, "There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.

E appears 15 times, T appears 10, so 5.

Yes it's a touch roundabout and there is a certain element of risk to people exposing they have very long messages and thus might be a role, I picked T and E as basically the "Wheel of Fortune" letters of choice, and likely to have a relatively low difference, they also don't appear in 'vanilla', 'cop', 'mafia', 'scum' or 'doc'

Basically, I would like everyone to do that, but I want everyone to pick different letters of their own choosing, just 1) Make it clear which they picked, 2) Promise to throughly double-check their answer, and 3) Make sure you don't include your poem, title, name, date, etc just the RM text, so a reply like:

R - L = 6

Would be just fine by me, it's a touch of extra work but minimizes the chance of damage, as everyone can pick their own letters. I'd prefer everyone just answer up quickly on a first come first serve basis and without discussing this much. In all probability nothing will comes of this, but it is something I want to rule out now and preferably tonight, and do so without endangering anyone. So the summarized question is:

Pick two letters of your choosing, count how many times each appears in the role and victory condition piece of your RM, then post in reply to this message what those two letters were and which you subtracted from the other and what the number was, please do not discuss and please double-check your count carefully.

... and in all likelihood after the first couple people respond I'll interrupt and say 'waste of time, thanks'
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Game 24, Day 2 - Game has ended - 06/11/2011 06:04:27 PM 1175 Views
I'm actually a bit surprised by the choice of ? - 06/11/2011 07:34:57 PM 1084 Views
Yes, it was an oversight. He was a townie. *NM* - 06/11/2011 08:01:11 PM 439 Views
Voting record: - 07/11/2011 05:25:40 PM 951 Views
Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 02:52:26 PM 753 Views
Re: Was he suspicious of anyone yesterday? - 07/11/2011 03:36:31 PM 909 Views
I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it - 07/11/2011 12:43:21 AM 893 Views
... and the two things - 07/11/2011 01:29:31 AM 908 Views
I object to this plan. - 07/11/2011 02:07:35 AM 808 Views
UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 02:59:27 PM 686 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 06:23:42 PM 824 Views
Re: UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 08:17:53 PM 724 Views
Wait, would everyone be picking their own two letters? Ah, ok, it's not as dangerous as I thought - 07/11/2011 08:20:32 PM 723 Views
Yes *NM* - 07/11/2011 08:41:04 PM 427 Views
and follow that to the logical conclusion... - 07/11/2011 08:40:43 PM 978 Views
no *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:19:20 PM 459 Views
FT already banned it *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:20:45 PM 418 Views
I know, I'm just voicing my opinion *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:27:34 PM 350 Views
Besides the ban, I can't see why you'd object - 07/11/2011 06:44:14 PM 756 Views
errrm, i don't think no is a strong enough word for this *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:58:09 PM 557 Views
? will be replacing Kronin... - 07/11/2011 01:56:08 AM 780 Views
Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:33:43 PM 950 Views
Re: Vote: ? - 07/11/2011 02:42:15 PM 1073 Views
I'll echo that vote. - 07/11/2011 06:15:21 PM 941 Views
He could have just been being polite - 07/11/2011 06:34:30 PM 1114 Views
Very good point, I think a roleclaim from ?, using Kronin's coded roleclaim from yesterday - 07/11/2011 08:22:45 PM 889 Views
? can't decode Kronin's RC, and he wouldn't be allowed to give his own - 07/11/2011 08:45:50 PM 834 Views
yeah I could go ahead and roleclaim if you want... - 07/11/2011 08:56:41 PM 802 Views
No, I don't want you to claim - 07/11/2011 08:57:47 PM 710 Views
Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:06 PM 738 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:06:23 PM 787 Views
Re: Wait what's the difference? - 07/11/2011 09:09:04 PM 767 Views
I oh got confused. - 08/11/2011 02:41:46 AM 831 Views
That is not the case against Kronin. - 07/11/2011 09:48:52 PM 653 Views
I don't think substitution is enough - 07/11/2011 10:25:27 PM 894 Views
Anybody else get a chuckle out of this? *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:36:28 PM 397 Views
Ignore the *NM* *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:43:16 PM 407 Views
doubly so... - 07/11/2011 06:49:05 PM 915 Views
out of what? *NM* - 07/11/2011 07:51:06 PM 393 Views
Shrug, I think we should still get a roleclaim from ?/Kronin - 08/11/2011 01:51:24 PM 868 Views
I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 08:46:07 PM 805 Views
Re: I coded a claim above...in response to Isaac I think... - 08/11/2011 09:39:45 PM 861 Views
Heh. Die? Die! His username makes that weird. *NM* - 08/11/2011 10:55:22 PM 449 Views
eh - 08/11/2011 10:40:47 PM 835 Views
What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 02:32:14 PM 841 Views
Re: What am I missing here? - 08/11/2011 08:38:19 PM 874 Views
Semi-RBIRL - 09/11/2011 05:26:11 AM 766 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 09/11/2011 10:24:06 PM 938 Views
RC decode - 09/11/2011 10:35:52 PM 913 Views
Bah, now I have to claim as well - 09/11/2011 10:46:37 PM 792 Views
All right, let's proceed sanely then - 09/11/2011 10:51:12 PM 792 Views
OK, Unvote - 09/11/2011 11:23:35 PM 690 Views
decoding: - 09/11/2011 11:22:31 PM 831 Views
Would you mind walking through that last step? - 09/11/2011 11:44:30 PM 798 Views
Not at all. - 10/11/2011 12:09:09 AM 792 Views
Okay I confirm your decode then - 10/11/2011 12:16:22 AM 765 Views
... *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:59:58 PM 495 Views
Woah. Problems. - 09/11/2011 11:32:40 PM 729 Views
there is something really fishy going on... *NM* - 09/11/2011 11:34:09 PM 408 Views
what? - 09/11/2011 11:32:45 PM 619 Views
Re: what? - 09/11/2011 11:34:16 PM 667 Views
Actually, there's a strong chance neither is lying - 09/11/2011 11:53:35 PM 972 Views
So, what now? - 10/11/2011 12:49:12 AM 1063 Views
Is or Is Not a Cop (Table) - 10/11/2011 12:52:52 AM 823 Views
I am not a cop. *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:04:38 AM 328 Views
I'm the daycop. Vote: Ranagrande. - 10/11/2011 01:41:59 AM 776 Views
EBWOP: here's the code. - 10/11/2011 01:43:00 AM 648 Views
Decode confirmed - 10/11/2011 02:08:26 AM 654 Views
Yeah, forgot to say I used Vignere. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:18:31 AM 403 Views
EBWOP again - 10/11/2011 01:44:04 AM 623 Views
Stand by for the moment - 10/11/2011 01:49:38 AM 816 Views
Jesus...I REALLY need to read everything before I start posting. - 10/11/2011 01:54:11 AM 801 Views
Add to that the next follow up, that ? might previously have been a Day Cop too - 10/11/2011 02:04:29 AM 836 Views
It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:18:02 AM 765 Views
Re: It's possible... - 10/11/2011 02:30:00 AM 1103 Views
I am a daycop. I found Isaac innocent. *NM* - 10/11/2011 02:02:05 PM 441 Views
We still need you role decode *NM* - 10/11/2011 06:19:53 PM 371 Views
(I did, in my other message) - 10/11/2011 07:18:43 PM 616 Views
Okay, got ya, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:02:55 PM 385 Views
i am a cop - 10/11/2011 07:00:14 PM 634 Views
and my decode - 10/11/2011 07:14:38 PM 806 Views
Yep, decode confirmed *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:06:16 PM 455 Views
Also, which ? did you check? - 10/11/2011 08:08:05 PM 720 Views
original ? - 10/11/2011 08:10:30 PM 823 Views
Thanks *NM* - 10/11/2011 08:11:13 PM 365 Views
Not a cop *NM* - 10/11/2011 11:48:27 PM 621 Views
To the decode-mobile! *plays 60s Batman music* - 11/11/2011 02:32:06 PM 706 Views
Let's take another look at that poem - 10/11/2011 01:44:36 AM 893 Views
Hahaha I have to read all of these posts, but FT, you're insane. - 10/11/2011 01:58:01 PM 855 Views
FT IS insane. Turns out I was missing something after all. *NM* - 10/11/2011 09:59:56 PM 353 Views
OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 02:23:10 PM 866 Views
Re: OK! Here we go: - 10/11/2011 05:52:25 PM 935 Views
I think it's time to consider mass RC - 10/11/2011 08:15:36 PM 715 Views
Sure... - 10/11/2011 09:19:49 PM 993 Views
There's a lot of options still, and decode confirmed by the way - 10/11/2011 09:48:05 PM 963 Views
I have been nominated! - 10/11/2011 10:30:37 PM 839 Views
Thanks - 10/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 893 Views
My pleasure *NM* - 10/11/2011 10:44:23 PM 334 Views
*NM* - 10/11/2011 11:21:59 PM 374 Views
Not saying that that is right of course... - 10/11/2011 11:23:23 PM 799 Views
Hmm... - 10/11/2011 11:20:50 PM 682 Views
I totally agree. - 10/11/2011 09:54:25 PM 703 Views
The wasy I see it, anybody not claiming cop is going to get lynched - 10/11/2011 11:57:24 PM 881 Views
Lying and claiming cop when you can't decode your RC will get you lynched faster. *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:33:05 AM 374 Views
Which I didn't do *NM* - 11/11/2011 02:05:30 AM 416 Views
I know, I know. - 11/11/2011 03:57:51 AM 698 Views
Fox, did you get a response on your investigation? *NM* - 11/11/2011 12:20:12 AM 467 Views
I hadn't performed one yet. - 11/11/2011 12:34:48 AM 793 Views
Isaac - 11/11/2011 02:00:18 AM 902 Views
Or me - 11/11/2011 02:07:10 AM 816 Views
I'd recommend ? - 11/11/2011 02:15:24 AM 676 Views
Bring it. - 11/11/2011 03:10:14 AM 716 Views
Someone who has already been copped - 11/11/2011 03:57:08 AM 661 Views
I'll investigate ? because yuna's the other daycop - 11/11/2011 04:00:49 AM 672 Views
Wait a minute....I meant that I would be testing it against rana. Not yuna - 11/11/2011 01:39:16 PM 937 Views
no i'm not, im a normal cop *NM* - 11/11/2011 09:18:23 PM 446 Views
I had everything messed up anyway *NM* - 12/11/2011 10:45:54 PM 388 Views
Vote: Beetnemisis/RBIRL - 11/11/2011 02:04:35 AM 744 Views
Hey people sorry for the unexpected RBIRL - 11/11/2011 11:47:11 AM 906 Views
RBIRL here too. - 11/11/2011 01:34:45 PM 651 Views
I'm thinking either Hieshyn or ? - 11/11/2011 04:32:16 PM 800 Views
It kinda seems like Hieshyn and ? are our logical lynch targets, plus Cop (Table) - 11/11/2011 10:09:52 PM 1015 Views
Fox investigated ? and found him innocent *NM* - 11/11/2011 10:41:39 PM 372 Views
Vote: ? - 11/11/2011 10:46:43 PM 675 Views
Yeah, that seems logical next step, Vote: ? - 13/11/2011 02:59:25 AM 989 Views
mrr, vote ? then *NM* - 13/11/2011 10:27:49 AM 549 Views
Think my vote was on ? already. - 13/11/2011 04:26:49 PM 786 Views
Vote: ? *NM* - 14/11/2011 02:27:20 AM 489 Views
That should be lynch with yours, so... - 14/11/2011 03:07:36 AM 725 Views
? Has been lynched - 14/11/2011 03:50:31 AM 878 Views
Game ends. - 14/11/2011 10:25:04 PM 757 Views
Role list: - 14/11/2011 10:26:32 PM 802 Views
Jeeez. - 14/11/2011 11:43:47 PM 764 Views
Kronin originally RC as a Tracker so we might have done better if we had been able to continue *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:06:07 AM 386 Views
Not even cause tracker is still the odd man out. - 15/11/2011 12:20:17 AM 756 Views
That might have worked but everyone would have had targets - 15/11/2011 02:20:43 AM 848 Views
Maybe, but I still would have known he was guilty. *NM* - 15/11/2011 02:55:43 AM 351 Views
You were paranoid, amusingly enough. - 15/11/2011 02:59:43 AM 771 Views
Ya there was no hope for us *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:04:06 AM 393 Views
YAY! - 14/11/2011 10:48:54 PM 746 Views
Wow. *NM* - 15/11/2011 01:09:28 AM 455 Views
Also I would like to be added to the list of future Moderator - 15/11/2011 12:07:51 AM 633 Views
You'd have first dibs via our order of precedence system - 15/11/2011 02:05:04 AM 886 Views
Also whoever Mods should probably post a recruitment thread on some other NBs - 15/11/2011 02:50:02 AM 805 Views
I expect my next game to draw in some new players. - 15/11/2011 02:58:59 AM 761 Views
More is better, okay that would be Hieshyn or Beet then, unless ? wants to toss in - 15/11/2011 03:26:25 AM 747 Views
Nope I'm not ready to mod yet... - 15/11/2011 08:29:24 PM 686 Views
hey - 15/11/2011 09:46:28 PM 616 Views
It's Hieshyn's if he wants it, otherwise I can go next. - 15/11/2011 12:40:13 PM 809 Views
I'm not ready to go next - 15/11/2011 02:43:07 PM 875 Views
Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 03:15:21 PM 643 Views
Re: Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 04:09:07 PM 837 Views
Deathless Mafia? Is that a thing? SQUEE, Mistborn! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:15:49 PM 354 Views
If it wasn't a thing before, it is now! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:53:14 PM 346 Views
ooooh - 15/11/2011 11:27:26 PM 683 Views
You've got a week to read the last 2....GO, GO, GO!! *NM* - 15/11/2011 11:43:21 PM 373 Views
hah! i could read both in two days - 16/11/2011 07:56:58 PM 712 Views
Just for you, the game shall be spoiler free! *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:12:24 AM 343 Views
Speaking of which, any timeline yet? - 19/11/2011 07:25:11 PM 707 Views
Sounds fantastic - 16/11/2011 12:10:06 AM 846 Views
That could also be fantastic. *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:13:29 AM 389 Views
I AM ALL SORTS OF PUMPED. *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:38 PM 414 Views
Though may or may not actually be playing... *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:58 PM 355 Views
Before the next game starts, we probably need to discuss RC coding - 15/11/2011 02:15:27 AM 983 Views
Yeah, I really didn't like that idea. - 15/11/2011 02:58:21 AM 1066 Views
An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:08:17 AM 878 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:36:38 AM 778 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:43:39 AM 1121 Views
I really didn't like it either. - 16/11/2011 06:20:33 PM 767 Views
I liked my plan: Random voting ftw! *NM* - 16/11/2011 06:29:07 PM 391 Views

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