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Interesting. And horrifying. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 01/07/2011 09:18:55 AM
I thought we had this won, but instead we're on the brink of disaster.

I was quite convinced that you were our vigilante, so if you were a serial killer, you would know I was not the vigilante (I am not) and could use that knowledge to make a falseclaim I would have assuredly bought. So I'll surmise that you are not the serial killer. You might be the remaining mafia, however, which is what makes this situation problematic.

See, supposing I were to trust you and go for your plan of lynching beetnemesis. If you're wrong and beet is what he claims to be, we lose. If you're right about him, but wrong about Hobo, then one of us gets nightkilled and we lose. And I am nowhere near convinced enough that beet and Hobo are both scum. What is your case against Hobo, I wonder?

Anyway, if we have a serial killer and a mafia remaining, both of them active, then it would seem that even if we lynch either one, we will lose anyway. Any lynch we perform requires that not only we lynch a scummer, but also that Hobo be the other scummer. And I want to avoid that kind of desperate situation, and as such I have come up with a gambit that I believe will give us better odds.

Let us assume that we have both an active mafia and an active serial killer. At this point, they are gunning for each other. The town cannot lynch anyone without losing and is therefore no longer a threat, killing a townie now would be futile. If any scummer manages to get the other lynched, that scummer will win.

Therefore, my gamble goes as such: I say that we let the scum try to win. I say we vote for a no-lynch. Essentially, I am betting that with their additional knowledge, both scum have figured out who their counterpart is, and will night kill each other. They cannot do anything but attempt to kill each other, to aim at a townie or refuse to night kill is to risk getting murdered by the other scum. Therefore we know that both scummers will attempt to night kill each other to the best of their abilities. The results will go like this:

If both miss and kill separate townies instead, then the game will end with a total player kill, which would be pretty funny.
If both miss and kill the same townie, we're in the same situation again come tomorrow and may try again.
If one scummer misses, the one who did not wins.
If both scummers strike true, then the town wins.

This is the only solution I can find where the town wins if we have two scum factions active.

Now, let us imagine that Hobo was scum. That means that three of us are town and one is scum, with a night kill, we'll be at a two-to-one ratio come tomorrow, with a single shot at lynching the correct scum.

This is the gamble that I propose.

Also, one of the examples of a correct use of the no-lynch option :P.

Vote: No Lynch
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter

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Mafia 22: Further In - 24/06/2011 03:18:35 AM 1249 Views
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Hi - 24/06/2011 03:44:41 PM 679 Views
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Hmm. - 27/06/2011 03:41:12 AM 773 Views
ranagrande, Gher? Thoughts? *NM* - 28/06/2011 01:00:06 PM 322 Views
I tried several times to post this before. - 28/06/2011 03:43:07 PM 701 Views
I've had a few issues with the site as well - 28/06/2011 04:15:41 PM 613 Views
The site has been down for me too. And I mostly agree with you. - 28/06/2011 06:31:14 PM 785 Views
F-T and Rangrande, care to claim? - 28/06/2011 06:40:10 PM 670 Views
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I doubt a roleclaim on my part is of any use at this junction. - 29/06/2011 01:06:01 AM 731 Views
So... you'll roleclaim after ranagrande does? - 29/06/2011 02:04:04 AM 619 Views
Eh, sure. Why not. - 29/06/2011 07:37:27 AM 638 Views
Shrug. For completeness' sake. - 29/06/2011 11:24:51 AM 639 Views
I'm fine with ranagrande going first. - 29/06/2011 06:19:18 PM 759 Views
Wow, I completely missed that. - 30/06/2011 05:27:16 AM 617 Views
The Hobo Conundrum - 28/06/2011 11:49:15 PM 624 Views
I'm on a bus for 4 hours and I demand BLOOD! - 01/07/2011 02:04:43 AM 764 Views
Unvote - 01/07/2011 08:04:05 AM 820 Views
Interesting. And horrifying. - 01/07/2011 09:18:55 AM 808 Views
Unvote (again) - 01/07/2011 10:20:57 AM 797 Views
Hm. That's kinda brilliant. - 01/07/2011 03:33:52 PM 704 Views
Oh, right. I'm vanilla. *NM* - 01/07/2011 06:18:45 PM 322 Views
Would you mind unvoting until ranagrande accounts for himself? - 01/07/2011 08:49:42 PM 640 Views
If we have only one, how did Isaac die? *NM* - 02/07/2011 05:36:20 AM 340 Views
Hm. Maybe we've been looking at the Night one DK thing wrong? - 02/07/2011 05:10:15 PM 765 Views
You still haven't accounted for anything. - 02/07/2011 06:40:16 PM 747 Views
Psh. Am I the only one who thinks its patently obvious he's the scum? - 03/07/2011 05:50:15 AM 647 Views
Still not answering any of the relevant questions. *NM* - 03/07/2011 09:01:31 AM 346 Views
So, a Watcher? Who did you watch? - 01/07/2011 03:02:58 PM 623 Views
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F-T, did you get any indication that D_K and/or Ranagrande targeted you last night? - 04/07/2011 04:27:56 PM 713 Views
No. - 04/07/2011 06:39:16 PM 685 Views
That's odd. - 05/07/2011 03:17:17 AM 670 Views
Our possibilities are obvious. - 05/07/2011 03:23:25 AM 629 Views
Besides, unless I am given some actual reason to suspect otherwise, - 05/07/2011 03:29:56 AM 851 Views
Hm. So, to be clear - 05/07/2011 01:53:54 PM 712 Views
Right. - 05/07/2011 08:28:28 PM 737 Views
I'm starting to think it really was Hobo. - 05/07/2011 09:02:25 PM 930 Views
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Can't someone just confess? - 06/07/2011 04:20:50 AM 836 Views
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I don't know, why aren't YOU voting No-Lynch? *NM* - 06/07/2011 04:24:47 AM 326 Views
Unvote: Ranagrande - 01/07/2011 06:46:14 PM 740 Views
RBIRL. Impeccable timing, I know. - 01/07/2011 09:44:10 PM 678 Views
I am averse to removing you from the VNTL - 02/07/2011 03:15:45 AM 646 Views
RBIRL is supposed to be for more than three days, by my memory. - 02/07/2011 05:37:31 AM 588 Views
I'm back. - 03/07/2011 02:37:23 AM 669 Views
Is Hobo dead? - 03/07/2011 02:48:50 AM 673 Views
Whoa... - 06/07/2011 06:02:53 AM 694 Views
Us zombies are getting restless - 06/07/2011 01:51:51 PM 610 Views
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaains *NM* - 06/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 300 Views
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What thoughts do I need to explain? *NM* - 07/07/2011 04:59:24 AM 396 Views
Just in general. What do you think we should do? *NM* - 07/07/2011 08:43:28 PM 315 Views
Do all the Idrians have Scottish accents? - 07/07/2011 01:15:01 PM 598 Views
Yup. I guess its a "Highlands" thing? - 07/07/2011 08:42:05 PM 612 Views
Ha! Are the Hallendrens British? *NM* - 08/07/2011 10:52:50 AM 342 Views
I wish *NM* - 08/07/2011 01:27:28 PM 301 Views
Re: Currently on a bus again. Rana, why did you watch who you did? - 08/07/2011 07:08:46 AM 716 Views
Also, RBIRL again - 08/07/2011 07:12:52 AM 578 Views
I'm gone this weekend too, but not long enough to need a RBIRL. *NM* - 08/07/2011 06:04:34 PM 310 Views
No Lynch has occured. Twilight incoming *NM* - 10/07/2011 04:50:20 AM 328 Views
Twilight - 10/07/2011 06:47:04 AM 837 Views

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