I doubt a roleclaim on my part is of any use at this junction.
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 29/06/2011 01:06:01 AM
At this point it mostly comes down to figuring who of you or ranagrande we should lynch, if we fail, we lose. Alternatively we could not lynch today to see if Hobo was a vigilante or serial killer (whence comes the conclusion that he was a doublevoter?).
Because if he isn't, then that means that either ranagrande is the vigilante/serial killer and Gher or beetnemesis is our remaining mafia, or that beetnemesis lied and is a serial killer, and that ranagrande or Gher is still the remaining mafia. Because I don't believe we have a serial killer, I would then expect ranagrande to be the vigilante and the remaining mafia to be either Gher or Beetnemesis. Thus we lynch beetnemesis and if wrong ranagrande kills Gher in the first of the two subsequent nights, ensuring that one and only one townie will survive afterward and win us the game.
Actually, that won't work because the mafia will kill someone on our no-lynch night, so let's scrap the no-lynch idea.
Besides, if it turns out that Hobo was the vigilante, we'd be one townie down and no closer to knowing who of Gher or ranagrande to lynch.
Essentially, it comes down to the fact that we have some non-mafia role with the ability to night kill. Of our remaining players, Gher and beetnemesis have already claimed other roles, and Gher's is essentially confirmed from knowledge that ? was a mason and that nobody else has ventured a counter-claim to Gher's, so unless he was a mason AND a vigilante or serial killer (which isn't impossible, both were included as possibilities in my pirate/ninja game), he's not it. If beetnemesis lied, he's almost certainly a serial killer, otehrwise lying would have been extraordinarily anti-town.
Because I believe we have a vigilante and not a serial killer, I dismiss both of these possibilities.
That leaves ranagrande, Hobo, and myself. I've been thus far avoiding any mention of myself as the vigilante, because there's really no point in doing so hypothetically, for any plan that revolves around me being the vigilante, I am already aware of my status and can act accordingly. Meanwhile, there are definite advantages to my not having roleclaimed yet. As I am almost certainly pro-town at this point, it is beyond question that any conflicting roleclaims between me and ranagrande will end in my favour. If he claims to be the vigilante whereas I am the vigilante, then he gets lynched for lying and we win. If he claims not to be the vigilante, and I am not the vigilante either, then we know that either Hobo was it, or that despite my beliefs, someone lied and we actually do have a serial killer.
So I will certainly not roleclaim before ranagrande, given that it could assure us the win.
So yes, I suggested earlier that the vigilante claim, but this works out the same. The question essentially boils down to this, is ranagrande the vigilante?
Because if he isn't, then that means that either ranagrande is the vigilante/serial killer and Gher or beetnemesis is our remaining mafia, or that beetnemesis lied and is a serial killer, and that ranagrande or Gher is still the remaining mafia. Because I don't believe we have a serial killer, I would then expect ranagrande to be the vigilante and the remaining mafia to be either Gher or Beetnemesis. Thus we lynch beetnemesis and if wrong ranagrande kills Gher in the first of the two subsequent nights, ensuring that one and only one townie will survive afterward and win us the game.
Actually, that won't work because the mafia will kill someone on our no-lynch night, so let's scrap the no-lynch idea.
Besides, if it turns out that Hobo was the vigilante, we'd be one townie down and no closer to knowing who of Gher or ranagrande to lynch.
Essentially, it comes down to the fact that we have some non-mafia role with the ability to night kill. Of our remaining players, Gher and beetnemesis have already claimed other roles, and Gher's is essentially confirmed from knowledge that ? was a mason and that nobody else has ventured a counter-claim to Gher's, so unless he was a mason AND a vigilante or serial killer (which isn't impossible, both were included as possibilities in my pirate/ninja game), he's not it. If beetnemesis lied, he's almost certainly a serial killer, otehrwise lying would have been extraordinarily anti-town.
Because I believe we have a vigilante and not a serial killer, I dismiss both of these possibilities.
That leaves ranagrande, Hobo, and myself. I've been thus far avoiding any mention of myself as the vigilante, because there's really no point in doing so hypothetically, for any plan that revolves around me being the vigilante, I am already aware of my status and can act accordingly. Meanwhile, there are definite advantages to my not having roleclaimed yet. As I am almost certainly pro-town at this point, it is beyond question that any conflicting roleclaims between me and ranagrande will end in my favour. If he claims to be the vigilante whereas I am the vigilante, then he gets lynched for lying and we win. If he claims not to be the vigilante, and I am not the vigilante either, then we know that either Hobo was it, or that despite my beliefs, someone lied and we actually do have a serial killer.
So I will certainly not roleclaim before ranagrande, given that it could assure us the win.
So yes, I suggested earlier that the vigilante claim, but this works out the same. The question essentially boils down to this, is ranagrande the vigilante?
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Mafia 22: Further In
24/06/2011 03:18:35 AM
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ranagrande, Gher? Thoughts? *NM*
28/06/2011 01:00:06 PM
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F-T and Rangrande, care to claim?
28/06/2011 06:40:10 PM
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Yeah, I think roleclaims from both of you would be very useful *NM*
29/06/2011 12:28:20 AM
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I doubt a roleclaim on my part is of any use at this junction.
29/06/2011 01:06:01 AM
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So... you'll roleclaim after ranagrande does?
29/06/2011 02:04:04 AM
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Unvote
01/07/2011 08:04:05 AM
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Interesting. And horrifying.
01/07/2011 09:18:55 AM
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Unvote (again)
01/07/2011 10:20:57 AM
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Hm. That's kinda brilliant.
01/07/2011 03:33:52 PM
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Oh, right. I'm vanilla. *NM*
01/07/2011 06:18:45 PM
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Would you mind unvoting until ranagrande accounts for himself?
01/07/2011 08:49:42 PM
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If we have only one, how did Isaac die? *NM*
02/07/2011 05:36:20 AM
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Hm. Maybe we've been looking at the Night one DK thing wrong?
02/07/2011 05:10:15 PM
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You still haven't accounted for anything.
02/07/2011 06:40:16 PM
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Psh. Am I the only one who thinks its patently obvious he's the scum?
03/07/2011 05:50:15 AM
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So, a Watcher? Who did you watch?
01/07/2011 03:02:58 PM
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Watchery Watchings
02/07/2011 06:05:27 AM
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F-T, did you get any indication that D_K and/or Ranagrande targeted you last night?
04/07/2011 04:27:56 PM
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No.
04/07/2011 06:39:16 PM
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That's odd.
05/07/2011 03:17:17 AM
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Our possibilities are obvious.
05/07/2011 03:23:25 AM
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Besides, unless I am given some actual reason to suspect otherwise,
05/07/2011 03:29:56 AM
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Hm. So, to be clear
05/07/2011 01:53:54 PM
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Right.
05/07/2011 08:28:28 PM
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Hm. I guess I just can't shake the feeling I'm being played, somehow.
05/07/2011 09:55:17 PM
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RBIRL. Impeccable timing, I know.
01/07/2011 09:44:10 PM
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Is Hobo dead?
03/07/2011 02:48:50 AM
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I think he's effectively modkilled. A firm ruling would be nice, though. *NM*
03/07/2011 05:50:59 AM
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Whoa...
06/07/2011 06:02:53 AM
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Currently on a bus again. Rana, why did you watch who you did?
07/07/2011 02:14:05 AM
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Do all the Idrians have Scottish accents?
07/07/2011 01:15:01 PM
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Yup. I guess its a "Highlands" thing?
07/07/2011 08:42:05 PM
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Re: Currently on a bus again. Rana, why did you watch who you did?
08/07/2011 07:08:46 AM
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Also, RBIRL again
08/07/2011 07:12:52 AM
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I'm gone this weekend too, but not long enough to need a RBIRL. *NM*
08/07/2011 06:04:34 PM
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Eh. I was going to write up an analysis, but I was going around in circles.
09/07/2011 01:21:42 AM
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