I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
Isaac Send a noteboard - 01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
I will now call upon the laconic spirit of the Spartans to aid me.
1. I don't know if my guard is a player. Kronin just reiterated my role message when I asked. Hence the "wise-ass" accusation.
Yet you have not paraphrased that role message to us, so we've no way of seeing whatver might be afoot here, if Kronin sent you back you role message letter perfect I would take as a given that the answer, or the reason for a lack thereof, is spelled out in black and white, or at least that he considers it such.
2. Looking for links between players is a completely legitimate tactic. We've used it in a few games- in fact, pretty much any game that has themed characters. Being suspicious of the philosophers is less "Apophenia" (Weird fact: this is the second time I've encountered that word today.) and more "searching for clues."
It's a fine tactic for skimming through data, and a good way to search for clues, it is not in of itself legitimate grounds for an accusation, not when we are already guaranteed to have an answer when the day ends. If Scott dies town, then it's a no, if he dies scum then we can revisit the issue tomorrow with more evidence.
3. I tend to work off of intuition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. My gut still says that that post of yours was out of character for you. The reason I pegged you for lynch is because, as minor as that gut feeling is, it's still more than I've gotten for others.
Then the evidence on me is simply your gut instinct that my post was out of character, regardless of the fact that the most obvious way it is out of character is that it was by necessity very short, and therefore a really bad gauge of intent. Particularly since virtually every game features one or more players having gut suspicion or trust of me and never seeming to remember when they were wrong, which is 'usually'.
4. As for the other players... I haven't seen anything suspicious. I hadn't looked at Gher's posting habits. ? prematurely claiming vanilla as a ploy doesn't seem in character- it seems like a mistake. (Also, I think we're a bit past lynching people as punishment for play mistakes this game. It's a good idea in theory, but every time we lynch someone because of a low post count, that's one more night we didn't lynch scum. We're already down Scott and Bergioyn, there's no way I would think of lynching ? for his claim)
And a pretty big chunk of the time we've not lynched someone over low post count or an unsolicited claim they've turned out to be scum, we did that three games in a row with Cor Amon. I am always happy to follow clear and blatant evidence of scum or lying, like, ya know, someone claiming to be the cop when someone else already did and they'd outright disavowed the role, but barring stuff like that I am content to at least ensure that the casualty is as likely to be scum as anyone else and less likely to be a benefit to the town if town then most others, it's a form of triage we've little choice but to practice most early game periods, as the alternative is a no lynch, which is usually a bad idea in of itself but which with this group is tantamount to suicide even to suggest. I'm not burning with a desire to lynch ? but I'll take one definite anti-town action performed by someone who at best has no role power over your vibe on me or even FT's case on Stephen, which is at least totally based on logic and fact... but I'm not sure anyone other than Ft and I are interested in the proof on him anyway because I'm not seeing a lot of people doing as I asked and reviewing the Trial of Socrates for their take on the subject, which is our only logical next step, to review whether or not the case FT has presented is sound and proceed accordingly.
5. Finally, who would YOU want to lynch? It's not a large list. If we ignore the philosophers (because we're waiting for Scott's info) and we ignore the roleclaimed (me, Fox, DK) and we ignored the cleared (Fanatic-Templar), it comes down to:
?, Gher, Hobo, Isaac
I'll take another look, but of those 4, you're still the one who made me cock my head.
As I said, I'm looking at ? and Gher now, and the most obvious scenario, that ? and Gher as Achilles and Patroclus might be masoned or something, seems impossible and that they wouldn't be connected seems a tad unlikely, and waiting for other people to give me their take on Socrates, if they decide the trial represents a good reason to classify Socrates as against the gods then I will assume I have a pro-Socrates bias pre-dating the game as I said I may have and back FT. Right now the only 2 facts we actually have that are indisputably 'anti-town is 1) ? RC'd, and 2) Gher's been posting less then his norm, neither proves scumminess, but they are at a minimum anti-town, and they do have interlocked characters, so ye sI think they are worth looking at.
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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
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I actually believe Katie.
11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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Probably not
11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
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Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
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Well this was easier than expected.
22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
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We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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Oh please
23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
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This would all be more believable
23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
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I didn't remember that about Option B
23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
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I will *Unvote* for now
23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
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You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
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Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
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So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
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Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
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He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
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So, uh... Wow.
23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
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Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
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How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
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Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
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Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
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Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
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Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
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Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
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I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
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True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
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I will also Vote: ?
04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
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Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
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I am itching to vote for him right now.
04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
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I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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