Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
Isaac Send a noteboard - 31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
The first two are our other two philosophers, Stephen (Socrates) and ranagrande (Zeno)
Frankly, if you're still on the philosopher = evil line of reasoning it makes more sense to see if Scott was Scum or town first before we kill another of them.
The third is Isaac (Agamemnon)
Stephen- hard to pin down, since he's been a bit RBIRL this game. He's definitely contributed, and I don't see any scummy activity, but that could just be because he hasn't posted a ton.
Character- a bit suspicious
I posted up that trial excerpt so everyone could read it and give a less biased opinion then mine, assuming mine is biased, Socrates as a rebel against the gods seems exactly backwards of the conclusion I draw form that piece but I claim no expertise on it.
Player- not too suspicious
ranagrande- is historically an extremely difficult player to read. He's also another philosopher.
Isaac- The only real red flag was his reaction to Katie in this post where it's possible he was trying to subtly influence the conversation to lynching Katie. He got off that line of thought pretty quickly when he saw we were unlikely to lynch her, but it's still a possible slip.
That's not a red flag, I voted for her because she claimed cop, then demanded an explanation before unvoting, that's exactly as a player should have acted, I grill everyone unless I've decided to play Defense instead, I had every reason to suspect her, whereas both you and FT had accused her on far less and he is almost definitely not scum. Her role as townie seems so obvious now, but almost everyone leaped on the cop claim, for clear reason, and all the explanations that make it 'so obvious' that gave came in response to my questioning, so you are accusing me on the grounds that I asked the questions that needed asking.
Other than that, Agamemnon is not an unreasonable choice for scum.
Not by general niceness or how they were viewed, no, but we already know that is a bad guideline, neither our cop or doc were nice people.
Scott's dead, and we'll discover his allegiance at dusk. So, I think we should either lynch another philosopher, or lynch Isaac.
It makes little sense to lynch a philosopher on the grounds that all philosophers might be scum until we see Scott's posthumous message, nor is Agamemnon a philosopher.
If we lynch another philosopher, I suggest ranagrande. Neither he nor Stephen seemed very scummy (Sidenote: neither of them voted for Bergioyn, which is either a coincidence or it shows that they didn't want innocent blood on their hands). ranagrande is a tricksy devil though, and I think history has shown that we, as a group, are basically incapable of knowing when he's scum. So... murder!
I'm not going to lynch a player on those grounds, it's tantamount to punishing someone for being a good player.
The other option is to wait and see if Scott was guilty, and lynch Isaac tonight. If Scott's guilty, we can take out the other philosophers tomorrow. If he was innocent, then we can reevaluate our options.
So, that's my suggestion. Scott or Isaac. Thoughts?
Scott's dead, and I'm very suspicious of you now, because you seem so sure of this philosopher option in which case it makes no sense to accuse me because I am the one who initiated movement on Scott, and I am not only not known for bussing but certainly not for initiating a lynch on someone from my team, besides the fact that if they are all scum then I can't be unless we have four scum, in which case I certainly wouldn't try to lynch Scott because if I got a townie toDay we'd be LyLo tomorrow.
Your argument don't hold much water, they are scattered bits of info that 'look bad on initial inspection' but have no relation to each other, you seem set on trying to curb inspection from anyone else, not even mentioning any of the other three players - Hobo, Gher, and ? who were part of the 7. I also have to say that your failure to present anything firm on this guard issue has eroded your own prob-town status. Surely Kronin would have told you by now if it were a player or a NPC, and that's information we must have to verify your claim at all. Otherwise "Beloved Princess" is just an unsupported claim that reeks of fake because it's logical and presents a reason not to lynch you.
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
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I actually believe Katie.
11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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Probably not
11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
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Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
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Well this was easier than expected.
22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
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We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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Oh please
23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
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This would all be more believable
23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
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I didn't remember that about Option B
23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
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I will *Unvote* for now
23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
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You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
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Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
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So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
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Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
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He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
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So, uh... Wow.
23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
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Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
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How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
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Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
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Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
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Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
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Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
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Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
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I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
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True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
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I will also Vote: ?
04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
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Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
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I am itching to vote for him right now.
04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
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I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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