I should also note before I start, we need to go ahead and hypocop if we plan to do that before we forget, and I'd rather someone else handled that since I'm not expecting to be around much this weekend.
Okay, where to start? I don't think the three of them are in cahoots, so odds are 1, 2 or all three of them are townies, not zero. There are a lot of peculiarities here that draw my eye.
Agreed/ I'd say the best match is beet and F-T but I think that's way too obvious of a match and I don't think DF F-T would back an ally of that strongly. He's better than putting himself in a situation than that.
It's really hard to say, I usually count FT harder to read and predict than anyone else, even ranagrande, and rana pulled a total mindscrew on me last game, and beet's pretty hard to read too, but yes, I consider so open a move improbable, the only reason it gains much traction for me at all is that there's a tendency for the scum to make a big play on dawn of day 2, plenty of day 1 time to think and not know what your allies have, the first night in my experience is always the most talkative night. But as I said, while I consider it a realistic probability one one or two of them is scum, this is really more about peculiarities, townies generate them pretty regularly too, I tend to see that more from all the time as a scummer.
1) There's still the improbability of the gender assignments, and Yuna had a character-specific role, not a random gal plucked out of the bag to avoid pronoun confusion. Beet asked and answered the gender question first, and non-visibly, Yuna second and DK third.
I don't want to really follow this path, personally. I feel like gender is random. If I was mod, I'd do it random and it wouldn't necessarily matter. I'm not Kronin but I view that as the mod affecting the game too much.
Whether or not Kronin or any other mod assigns roles and characters randomly is fairly irrelevant, you can't tell anyway so one may as well assume it is, that was not the target I was aiming at. We do not know at this time who is what, we know what people have said they are, and there's a long list of times where players have lied about things on day 1, town or scum, more town than scum I think. It doesn't even have to be beet or DK, someone might have lied about being male. Beet's both the most and least suspect by asking the question, you don't ask and answer first unless you're asking the question with the intent to lie, because you've a strong certainty you should. I might do something like that on day 1 to signal allies they should lie too, but generally something like gender you wouldn't lie about unless you were very sure it was a good idea. Getting your pronoun dropped by the mod, even on accident, is just too likely, very easy when writing flavor to slip up and put a he or she instead of they, or even the wrong one when character doesn't match player. But Beet has something of a gambler's style so I wouldn't rule it out, and I would point out that he clearly does think gender is important, or he wouldn't have presented his theory that one of the female characters is scum, would he?
2) FT has claimed Odysseus, Beetnemesis claims to know Odysseus, and there's a very short list of female character to match that, one of them also matches up to one of DK's also short list of viable options, and DK said she knew of her character and Beet said his was well-known. Can't say for sure DK's is well-known, she might be a Greek mythology buff, but that seems indicated and thus far they've all been pretty major that we know of.
Seems to establish a link between Beet and F-T but that might be nothing. Maybe they're masoned?
One of a number of possibilities, FT can explain it himself but I can think of a number of options from the mundane to the sinister. It seems improbable beet's interaction answer was unrelated, it's in the post title and only a day and change prior to FT's post, I doubt he missed it, if my Character's name were in a post title I'm fairly confident I'd react somehow.
3) Beet is now pushing toward DK on the 'Bad Girls' hypothesis, and FT backed it strongly. Not super-strong, a first vote from FT is more common than from anyone else except maybe me, and on the other hand, almost everyone he's voted first for has died that day, so it's not exactly a light prod either.
Addressed above.
4) Not too related, but FT's Author question was non-obvious, almost makes me wonder if he's out for revenge on Homer or something.
What's this about? Can you provide a link please?
it was a question FT proposed, one of the 10 Random Ones it struck me as so out of left field that I figured there was a good chance it wasn't, with his claim I pondered if maybe he got flavor indicating enmity to Homer for tormenting him in the Odyssey or something. Most probable scenario is it was just a question that came to mind and we'd done most of the obvious ones, but I always like to consider anything abnormal from the standpoint that it was intentional too and ask what might motivate it, minimizes the number of knives in the back I get, though generally my deaths in-game involve being torn apart by wild animals.
5) The claim itself, it is not like FT to reveal info on day 1 about himself except under pressure, except for the Miller Claim in Gher's game which presumably didn't encourage future reveals. Why claim as Odysseus? Was it just because Beet had claimed to know him shortly before that? I can't see him just revealing that without a motive
That is quite off. Not something a DF would do, though. He probably just felt that it wouldn't hurt anyone to release the info.
He also proposed everyone else do it and I'd be lying if I said it wasn't tempting, but I rejected the notion because I know my character, not everyone else's, and it could be important. In point of fact, while we often say flavor isn't too revealing this has generally not been the case, it has usually been very important just non-obvious and often occluded by DF manipulation or lies.
6) Isn't it odd that FT-Odysseus, who with the exception of his wife usually had very bad times from women, seems more suspicious of the person who claims an era before his as opposed to the person who outright claims to have interacted with him?
I am not sure what to even make of this.
Depends on how you read the Odyssey, I'd be fairly worried if I were Odysseus and beet had dropped that info though, not 'kill, die, lynch' worried, but worried, and considering he's backing Beet's theory and definitely added to the villainous interpretation of many women in Greek mythology I would assume that indicates he'd be somewhat 'concerned' about any female character who he's interacted with.
So, none of this is actually 'suspicious', and pretty much any alignment combination is possible besides it being unlikely DK is scummer allied to any of them, but there's too many peculiarities here and I'm inclined to think that character claims by Beet and DK might answer them, it also seems like we're headed that way anyway, pressure's on DK but if she reveals we'll obviously make Beet reveal too unless hers just screams evil-bad, so while I make no demand for character reveals at this time - and this is genuinely not an accusation at any of them - I do feel character claims by both now are the best way to proceed. I feel pretty strongly something is afoot here, and I feel FT doesn't really have anything left to reveal that strikes me as both pertinent and safe to reveal or likely to be willing and truthfully revealed, so no real questions for him, though if he can offer any alternate light on the points I raised I'd appreciate it. Again, this doesn't so much scream 'scum' as 'odd', so I think we should clear it up now if possible.
I have a town vibe from F-T, as you can see from my defenses above. I don't have anything on beet or DK. The connection between beet and F-T kinda throw my vibe off but I think it's something neither of them would do as DF's so it leads me to believe that it's town behavior. But then that doesn't help DK that much, does it?
Meh, I don't particularly suspect FT, my comments seem weighted to imply that because he's connected to so much of it, which is why I pointed out I was lobbing any questions his way, apparent alliances don't mean someone isn't scum, it's pretty standard practice to try to connect yourself to someone who is a townie so you can drag down someone with you. Again, this is 'something is afoot', not a FOS, it only take ones of them being up to something to generate shadows, and any one of those could be utterly coincidental, or all of them, even if some are true some are likely not.
Looks to me, right now, I'd be more willing to pursue the DK track but that's pure speculation, as well.
I can't see any reason for the primacy on DK. I haven't seen anything she's done thats truck me as scummy, but like I said, if she's forced to reveal who she is, realistically beet will have to as well, unless her reveal just screams 'kill me!' for some reason. His whole argument basically amounts to 'kill the more evil girl' so I can't see us being too likely to cut her head off without finding out who he is too. We can pursue both at once, sooner's better, minimizes time to make something up that meets prior answers.
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
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I actually believe Katie.
11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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Probably not
11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
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Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
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Well this was easier than expected.
22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
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We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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Oh please
23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
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This would all be more believable
23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
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I didn't remember that about Option B
23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
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I will *Unvote* for now
23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
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You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
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Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
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So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
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Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
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He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
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So, uh... Wow.
23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
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Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
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How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
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Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
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Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
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Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
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Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
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Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
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I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
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True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
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I will also Vote: ?
04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
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Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
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I am itching to vote for him right now.
04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
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I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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