As for the money... (and a couple other things)
beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 14/01/2011 06:05:04 PM
Hm.
Ok, each task is worth 1000MS each, and finishing everything is 4000MS each.
We can either leave it at that, or as gossip suggested, give the people who do something a higher concentration. I propose the latter.
For the names, I say leave it be- everyone gets the thousand.
For investigating, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 300 MS to whomever finds a pirate homeworld?
So, someone who did no investigating, their total profit would be 2100MS (3000 - 300 - 300 - 300)
Someone who located one homeworld, would profit 4,200MS total. (3000 - 300 - 300 +(6 x 300))
Someone who located two homeworlds would make 6,300 MS (3000 - 300 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300)
If someone happened to locate all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 8,400 (3000 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300))
How does that sound? I feel like any more, and the non-investigatory players will be annoyed that they aren't getting enough money.
Actually... a thought: A bonus for learning the number of legions the pirates have. Maybe an additional 100MS per player?
There are two different ways to do this, as far as I can tell. The more AP-expensive, but straightforward way is to Gather Intel on Player. This is tougher, because every legion present gives a +2 bonus. The second way is to gather intel on player, get their homeworld, and then do gather intel on location (which is a cheaper action since it doesn't contain penalties from troops present)
Finally, for those who won't be investigating- remember, every turn they're investigating pirates, they're not investigating you. Potentially. The same goes for seizures.
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Now, Seizures.
There's a higher risk-reward with seizures. Yes, the prize is a planet, but you have to train your own troops (1,000 each), pay for attacking with them (4-500 for each troop), and your land is now less defended, either because your resources are more stretched out, or because your troops died.
Also, take a look at the Seizure chart. A tie loses, a +1 damages it and you lose a legion, a +2 damages it. +3 is golden So, say it's an Average Planet of 1200MS/turn.
If you get +1, you lose the equivalent of 2200MS (one legion, one turn of income from the planet).
+2, you lose the 1200 of the Planet for a turn, plus you had to spend an additional 1400 on training and moving another legion.
+3 you spent 2800 on training and moving two legions.
Now, these figures are misleading- even if you spent 2800 on legions, that means you have two more legions, which is pretty good.
But the point I wanted to make was that seizing can cost money!
The income of the planet should balance it out after a few turns have passed, but I think seizures should get a little more?
For seizing, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 400 MS to whomever conquers a pirate homeworld?
So, someone who did no seizing, their total profit would be 1800MS (3000 - 400 - 400 - 400)
Someone who seized one homeworld, would profit 4,600MS total. (3000 - 400 - 400 +(6 x 400))
Someone who seized two homeworlds would make 7,400 MS (3000 - 400 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400)
If someone happened to seize all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 10,200 (3000 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400))
And, for those who question why any of this is necessary- there has to be some additional incentive to do these things. Otherwise, I could just sit back, let others do all the work, use my resources to spy on and raid everyone else, and get the same reward as the rest of you. Now if I want to do that, I'm at least giving something up.
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Any thoughts on what to do with the final end-quest bonus of 4000MS?
We could do some more rewards, or we could just leave it at that.
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(Sidenote: We should make sure that we know who has what job before the end of the round. If two people investigate, say the Pirates of the Carib Ion Sea, it'd get annoying with splitting the reward, plus there'd be no way to know if the second party was telling the truth.)
Also, some suggestions for bylaws:
Whoever wants to do a task can pick it first come first serve. If there's a dispute, we can settle it by vote.
If you succeed in your task, great. If not, next round everyone else gets to decide if they want to take a shot at it, if no one wants the task, you can try again.
Ok, each task is worth 1000MS each, and finishing everything is 4000MS each.
We can either leave it at that, or as gossip suggested, give the people who do something a higher concentration. I propose the latter.
For the names, I say leave it be- everyone gets the thousand.
For investigating, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 300 MS to whomever finds a pirate homeworld?
So, someone who did no investigating, their total profit would be 2100MS (3000 - 300 - 300 - 300)
Someone who located one homeworld, would profit 4,200MS total. (3000 - 300 - 300 +(6 x 300))
Someone who located two homeworlds would make 6,300 MS (3000 - 300 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300)
If someone happened to locate all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 8,400 (3000 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300))
How does that sound? I feel like any more, and the non-investigatory players will be annoyed that they aren't getting enough money.
Actually... a thought: A bonus for learning the number of legions the pirates have. Maybe an additional 100MS per player?
There are two different ways to do this, as far as I can tell. The more AP-expensive, but straightforward way is to Gather Intel on Player. This is tougher, because every legion present gives a +2 bonus. The second way is to gather intel on player, get their homeworld, and then do gather intel on location (which is a cheaper action since it doesn't contain penalties from troops present)
Finally, for those who won't be investigating- remember, every turn they're investigating pirates, they're not investigating you. Potentially. The same goes for seizures.
-----
Now, Seizures.
There's a higher risk-reward with seizures. Yes, the prize is a planet, but you have to train your own troops (1,000 each), pay for attacking with them (4-500 for each troop), and your land is now less defended, either because your resources are more stretched out, or because your troops died.
Also, take a look at the Seizure chart. A tie loses, a +1 damages it and you lose a legion, a +2 damages it. +3 is golden So, say it's an Average Planet of 1200MS/turn.
If you get +1, you lose the equivalent of 2200MS (one legion, one turn of income from the planet).
+2, you lose the 1200 of the Planet for a turn, plus you had to spend an additional 1400 on training and moving another legion.
+3 you spent 2800 on training and moving two legions.
Now, these figures are misleading- even if you spent 2800 on legions, that means you have two more legions, which is pretty good.
But the point I wanted to make was that seizing can cost money!
The income of the planet should balance it out after a few turns have passed, but I think seizures should get a little more?
For seizing, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 400 MS to whomever conquers a pirate homeworld?
So, someone who did no seizing, their total profit would be 1800MS (3000 - 400 - 400 - 400)
Someone who seized one homeworld, would profit 4,600MS total. (3000 - 400 - 400 +(6 x 400))
Someone who seized two homeworlds would make 7,400 MS (3000 - 400 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400)
If someone happened to seize all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 10,200 (3000 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400))
And, for those who question why any of this is necessary- there has to be some additional incentive to do these things. Otherwise, I could just sit back, let others do all the work, use my resources to spy on and raid everyone else, and get the same reward as the rest of you. Now if I want to do that, I'm at least giving something up.
-----
Any thoughts on what to do with the final end-quest bonus of 4000MS?
We could do some more rewards, or we could just leave it at that.
-----
(Sidenote: We should make sure that we know who has what job before the end of the round. If two people investigate, say the Pirates of the Carib Ion Sea, it'd get annoying with splitting the reward, plus there'd be no way to know if the second party was telling the truth.)
Also, some suggestions for bylaws:
Whoever wants to do a task can pick it first come first serve. If there's a dispute, we can settle it by vote.
If you succeed in your task, great. If not, next round everyone else gets to decide if they want to take a shot at it, if no one wants the task, you can try again.
I amuse myself.
Dune: Round 2
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CHOAM Auction Round 2 Phase 1
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E2B - Agricultural Fief - 1 Militia (Min Bid 2000 MS, Inc 50 MS)
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2000 MS - Edited because of mistype, read 200 MS originally. *NM*
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2050 MS *NM*
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2100 MS *NM*
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EDIT: 2100 MS - Invalid bid, my stupidity
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Incidentally you could just offer Beet a sum to buy it off of him
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Wait, what is 9 PM EST time in GMT +2? this one closed before my second bid, right? *NM*
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I checked it. thats 4 AM my time.
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Ouch
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Too bad we don't have a chat room- that'd be perfect for outcry *NM*
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3000 MS *NM*
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3100 MS *NM*
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3300 MS *NM*
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3350 MS *NM*
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3400 MS *NM*
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3450 MS *NM*
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Pah, minimum bids. 3600 MS *NM*
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They're pretty abitrary for non-LiqVal items *NM*
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I think he was just Pahing the fact that we're bidding the minimum increments *NM*
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Quite probably - this seems a good point to mentioning Horizontal scroll in bidding wars
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3650 MS *NM*
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3700 MS *NM*
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3750 MS *NM*
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3850 MS *NM*
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3900 MS *NM*
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Cut that out! 4400 MS! *NM*
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I'm tempted to offer 4450... But not now.
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Well, as for the Crisis- is everyone pretty firm in what they're voting for? Dunno if I am
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Well I wouldn't mind listening to some persuasive arguments, if anybody has some to offer.
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Vote: Accept Chancellor's Challenge. (Erm...?)
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I was attacked by the Bandits of Surewood Forest
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I think "pirates" just means "NPC raiders"
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Pirate Name: Pirates of Carib Ion Sea *NM*
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(Others should do this, too)
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I thought that as Adjutant General you could simply report our conclusions. *NM*
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4 players have to "confirm" the names HINT HINT
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Yeah, I did so below. I was explaining why I didn't do so earlier. *NM*
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"Pirate Name: Pirates of Carib Ion Sea" Yes, 4 of you have to do this for each pirate group *NM*
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Pirate Name: Pirates of Carib Ion Sea *NM*
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Pirate Name: Bandits of Surewood Forest *NM*
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Pirate Name: Pirates of Carib Ion Sea
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I think that makes 4 of us for every name.
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Oh, he already has. Nevermind then.
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Even when drunk, the magic of smartphones keeps message board games alive! *NM*
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As for the money... (and a couple other things)
14/01/2011 06:05:04 PM
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Weird. I thought I replied to this. Hm. Anyway, I could attack one of the pirate Strongholds. *NM*
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So yeah, we need 3 volunteers with decent Diplomacy/Intrigue stats
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As stated above, I will be one of them
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So is anyone else investigating pirates?
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I guess I could do one. *NM*
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Which group do you want?
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I'll deal with the Bandits of Surewood Forest, after all, they did make the mistake of attacking me.
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Some More Notes
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I'd be all for condensing it into one auction phase
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It'd be fairer for players like Bergioyn who aren't present near the deadline though.
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