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As for the money... (and a couple other things) beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 14/01/2011 06:05:04 PM
Hm.

Ok, each task is worth 1000MS each, and finishing everything is 4000MS each.

We can either leave it at that, or as gossip suggested, give the people who do something a higher concentration. I propose the latter.

For the names, I say leave it be- everyone gets the thousand.

For investigating, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 300 MS to whomever finds a pirate homeworld?

So, someone who did no investigating, their total profit would be 2100MS (3000 - 300 - 300 - 300)

Someone who located one homeworld, would profit 4,200MS total. (3000 - 300 - 300 +(6 x 300))

Someone who located two homeworlds would make 6,300 MS (3000 - 300 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300)

If someone happened to locate all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 8,400 (3000 + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300) + (6 x 300))


How does that sound? I feel like any more, and the non-investigatory players will be annoyed that they aren't getting enough money.


Actually... a thought: A bonus for learning the number of legions the pirates have. Maybe an additional 100MS per player?

There are two different ways to do this, as far as I can tell. The more AP-expensive, but straightforward way is to Gather Intel on Player. This is tougher, because every legion present gives a +2 bonus. The second way is to gather intel on player, get their homeworld, and then do gather intel on location (which is a cheaper action since it doesn't contain penalties from troops present)




Finally, for those who won't be investigating- remember, every turn they're investigating pirates, they're not investigating you. Potentially. The same goes for seizures.

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Now, Seizures.

There's a higher risk-reward with seizures. Yes, the prize is a planet, but you have to train your own troops (1,000 each), pay for attacking with them (4-500 for each troop), and your land is now less defended, either because your resources are more stretched out, or because your troops died.

Also, take a look at the Seizure chart. A tie loses, a +1 damages it and you lose a legion, a +2 damages it. +3 is golden So, say it's an Average Planet of 1200MS/turn.

If you get +1, you lose the equivalent of 2200MS (one legion, one turn of income from the planet).

+2, you lose the 1200 of the Planet for a turn, plus you had to spend an additional 1400 on training and moving another legion.

+3 you spent 2800 on training and moving two legions.

Now, these figures are misleading- even if you spent 2800 on legions, that means you have two more legions, which is pretty good.

But the point I wanted to make was that seizing can cost money!
The income of the planet should balance it out after a few turns have passed, but I think seizures should get a little more?

For seizing, let's see... 3,000 each, 21000 total MS. How about if everyone gives 400 MS to whomever conquers a pirate homeworld?

So, someone who did no seizing, their total profit would be 1800MS (3000 - 400 - 400 - 400)

Someone who seized one homeworld, would profit 4,600MS total. (3000 - 400 - 400 +(6 x 400))

Someone who seized two homeworlds would make 7,400 MS (3000 - 400 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400)

If someone happened to seize all 3 homeworlds, they'd make 10,200 (3000 + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400) + (6 x 400))



And, for those who question why any of this is necessary- there has to be some additional incentive to do these things. Otherwise, I could just sit back, let others do all the work, use my resources to spy on and raid everyone else, and get the same reward as the rest of you. Now if I want to do that, I'm at least giving something up.
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Any thoughts on what to do with the final end-quest bonus of 4000MS?

We could do some more rewards, or we could just leave it at that.




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(Sidenote: We should make sure that we know who has what job before the end of the round. If two people investigate, say the Pirates of the Carib Ion Sea, it'd get annoying with splitting the reward, plus there'd be no way to know if the second party was telling the truth.)




Also, some suggestions for bylaws:

Whoever wants to do a task can pick it first come first serve. If there's a dispute, we can settle it by vote.

If you succeed in your task, great. If not, next round everyone else gets to decide if they want to take a shot at it, if no one wants the task, you can try again.
I amuse myself.
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