First off, your roleclaim. You roleclaimed bulletproof with some exceptions. That's just disappointingly suspicious, really. "Bulletproof" is a favourite roleclaim for scum because it doesn't require to do anything on behalf of the town, and it can be used to excuse the fact that the claimant somehow never gets night killed. The "with exceptions" is also part of a scum favourite - because claiming an exact role leaves you open to counterclaim. This is not helping your situation at all.
Second, you've got some evidence pointing to you being the Thing and part of a Fantastic Four mason group. I don't doubt either of those, but they're both irrelevant given the realities of infiltrated mason groups and shapeshifters.
Third, and finally getting into the interesting part, there's your justification for your scummy actions that brought this about in the first place. I admit I'm impressed, I didn't think you could come up with something believable, but your explanation is actually a possibility. I don't believe it of course, I knew from the moment I promised you some time to prepare that you were going to try to find some explanation of this kind, and possible though it may be, there's no evidence for it. There is no sign that this was your plan before your actions, you only posted them after you were called out on your mafia dodging lynch votes. Obviously, that's the way it usually is, players rarely give out their plans beforehand. But then, if we operate on the basis that you are mafia, what are you expected to do? Just confess to your blatant scummy behaviour, or make up some story explaining it away? So really, I'm impressed by the explanation you've thought up, but it changes nothing. There's no way to know if it is true, and we can be sure you would have done the same thing as mafia.
Fourth and finally, there's the numbers. Very interesting, aren't they?
There are of course four possibilities for your mason group:
1- You are actually all innocent townies.
2- You are mafia and your masonic allies are innocent.
3- You are innocent but one of your allies is mafia.
4- You are all mafia, attempting some bold feint based on our acceptance of the assumption that you are an actual mason group.
I'm going to dismiss #4 due to yesterday's claimlist, either the lot of you were exceedingly lucky or exceedingly clever, but most probably you actually are a mason group.
I'm also going to not bother with #3 for now, because you're the likeliest suspect in the group for now. I won't really consider the others unless one of them does something even more dramatically scummy than you, or you get lynched and actually turn out innocent.
The interesting part about this is that if you are a mafia, as it seems you are, then this does indeed clear Fox and Ravens and Hobo - barring the unlikely #4 possibility above - because mods simply don't go for redundant mason infiltrations. One of them should eventually, just to mess with us, but until then I am comfortable with the assumption that there is 1 or 0 mafia in your group.
So if you die and are demonstrated as mafia, we can list those two as nearly certain townies.
That leaves us with Yunalesca and Darth_Katie. As I've indicated earlier, I have an inkling that Darth_Katie is innocent. I think I know her character and her role, though I can't be certain. If I survive the Night, I'll probably ask her about those tomorrow, I don't think it is especially relevant today. So in the meantime, again barring the unlikely "full mafia mason group feint" I outlined above, that means that if I am correct, one of your mafia allies assuredly bussed you. Going up the list, that would likely be Amys, then ?, ranagrande, Kronin, Bergioyn and myself.
Certainly, if you are mafia, we've got enough info there that we can almost assuredly win the game near instantly. When I get you lynched - and I do intend to get you lynched today - supposing you are as I suspect mafia, I would suggest everybody to hypocop Yunalesca. From there I'll ask the cop to reveal himself so we can get the true result, and assuming he isn't dead or roleblocked that'll give us an almost definite reading on most everybody.
If Yunalesca ends up being mafia, then your last ally (or allies, I suspect 3, especially without a Serial Killer, but could be wrong) will likely be in the tail end of that vote list, or Darth_Katie supposing I'm actually wrong about my expectations regarding her.
If Yunalesca and Darth_Katie both turn out innocent, then I'd reconsider the "full mafia mason group feint".
Your death and revelation as mafia could win us the game right here.
And with you scummy behaviour, I'm very confident that you are mafia. You claim it is unlikely the entire town (or the entire town -1) would vote for you, but it shouldn't be that unlikely. Barring players who have suicided or admitted to lying, your behaviour this game is probably the scummiest that I've seen. You're the scummiest player to deny your scumminess. And you are excepting your mason allies, when instead you should be glad that they're following that strange "masonic blind loyalty" thing I mentioned earlier. Really, they should be voting for you too.
But anyway, if I'm somehow wrong, if all your scummy antics were actually honest mistakes or unfortunately unfulfilled plans or innocent misunderstandings, all we lose is one townie. A good player, certainly, but still just one townie.
As players we must accept the risk of mislynch. It's happened before, it will happen again. To sit on our hands and do nothing is to give the mafia victory. You are by far the scummiest player alive right now, you are by far our best target for a lynch, and your death, if we are right could give us the game.
It would be foolish for the town not to lynch you.
Second, you've got some evidence pointing to you being the Thing and part of a Fantastic Four mason group. I don't doubt either of those, but they're both irrelevant given the realities of infiltrated mason groups and shapeshifters.
Third, and finally getting into the interesting part, there's your justification for your scummy actions that brought this about in the first place. I admit I'm impressed, I didn't think you could come up with something believable, but your explanation is actually a possibility. I don't believe it of course, I knew from the moment I promised you some time to prepare that you were going to try to find some explanation of this kind, and possible though it may be, there's no evidence for it. There is no sign that this was your plan before your actions, you only posted them after you were called out on your mafia dodging lynch votes. Obviously, that's the way it usually is, players rarely give out their plans beforehand. But then, if we operate on the basis that you are mafia, what are you expected to do? Just confess to your blatant scummy behaviour, or make up some story explaining it away? So really, I'm impressed by the explanation you've thought up, but it changes nothing. There's no way to know if it is true, and we can be sure you would have done the same thing as mafia.
Fourth and finally, there's the numbers. Very interesting, aren't they?
There are of course four possibilities for your mason group:
1- You are actually all innocent townies.
2- You are mafia and your masonic allies are innocent.
3- You are innocent but one of your allies is mafia.
4- You are all mafia, attempting some bold feint based on our acceptance of the assumption that you are an actual mason group.
I'm going to dismiss #4 due to yesterday's claimlist, either the lot of you were exceedingly lucky or exceedingly clever, but most probably you actually are a mason group.
I'm also going to not bother with #3 for now, because you're the likeliest suspect in the group for now. I won't really consider the others unless one of them does something even more dramatically scummy than you, or you get lynched and actually turn out innocent.
The interesting part about this is that if you are a mafia, as it seems you are, then this does indeed clear Fox and Ravens and Hobo - barring the unlikely #4 possibility above - because mods simply don't go for redundant mason infiltrations. One of them should eventually, just to mess with us, but until then I am comfortable with the assumption that there is 1 or 0 mafia in your group.
So if you die and are demonstrated as mafia, we can list those two as nearly certain townies.
That leaves us with Yunalesca and Darth_Katie. As I've indicated earlier, I have an inkling that Darth_Katie is innocent. I think I know her character and her role, though I can't be certain. If I survive the Night, I'll probably ask her about those tomorrow, I don't think it is especially relevant today. So in the meantime, again barring the unlikely "full mafia mason group feint" I outlined above, that means that if I am correct, one of your mafia allies assuredly bussed you. Going up the list, that would likely be Amys, then ?, ranagrande, Kronin, Bergioyn and myself.
Certainly, if you are mafia, we've got enough info there that we can almost assuredly win the game near instantly. When I get you lynched - and I do intend to get you lynched today - supposing you are as I suspect mafia, I would suggest everybody to hypocop Yunalesca. From there I'll ask the cop to reveal himself so we can get the true result, and assuming he isn't dead or roleblocked that'll give us an almost definite reading on most everybody.
If Yunalesca ends up being mafia, then your last ally (or allies, I suspect 3, especially without a Serial Killer, but could be wrong) will likely be in the tail end of that vote list, or Darth_Katie supposing I'm actually wrong about my expectations regarding her.
If Yunalesca and Darth_Katie both turn out innocent, then I'd reconsider the "full mafia mason group feint".
Your death and revelation as mafia could win us the game right here.
And with you scummy behaviour, I'm very confident that you are mafia. You claim it is unlikely the entire town (or the entire town -1) would vote for you, but it shouldn't be that unlikely. Barring players who have suicided or admitted to lying, your behaviour this game is probably the scummiest that I've seen. You're the scummiest player to deny your scumminess. And you are excepting your mason allies, when instead you should be glad that they're following that strange "masonic blind loyalty" thing I mentioned earlier. Really, they should be voting for you too.
But anyway, if I'm somehow wrong, if all your scummy antics were actually honest mistakes or unfortunately unfulfilled plans or innocent misunderstandings, all we lose is one townie. A good player, certainly, but still just one townie.
As players we must accept the risk of mislynch. It's happened before, it will happen again. To sit on our hands and do nothing is to give the mafia victory. You are by far the scummiest player alive right now, you are by far our best target for a lynch, and your death, if we are right could give us the game.
It would be foolish for the town not to lynch you.
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE TWO: BLACK MAGIC- WHOA, MAN!
03/11/2010 04:59:59 AM
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I see two avenues to discuss here
03/11/2010 11:41:14 AM
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I was thinking about number 1.
03/11/2010 10:00:57 PM
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Regarding 2, and let me suggets a 3
04/11/2010 02:30:41 AM
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I, personally, agree with Isaac so here goes.
04/11/2010 11:33:07 PM
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O.......K..........
05/11/2010 11:43:14 PM
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Did Fist use his power last Night?
06/11/2010 03:41:05 AM
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It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 04:53:19 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 05:30:00 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
06/11/2010 07:15:11 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 08:18:16 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 03:38:37 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Huh, well Fox straight up told us his Mason group was a 3rd Fraction on Night 1
11/11/2010 12:55:50 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 06:16:29 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 07:16:20 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
07/11/2010 09:29:12 PM
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I am about 95% sure that WF targeted me last Night.
11/11/2010 01:04:34 AM
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Interesting.
11/11/2010 02:25:07 AM
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It's certainly possible.
11/11/2010 02:39:00 AM
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Now I'm curious
11/11/2010 03:33:46 AM
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Presumably because I'm not trying to get her lynched.
11/11/2010 03:53:54 AM
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Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
04/11/2010 05:41:04 AM
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Re: Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
04/11/2010 04:18:17 PM
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a scummer got caught on day one in the tower game
04/11/2010 06:42:15 PM
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also there was that time someone said they saw a black light instead of white
04/11/2010 07:52:41 PM
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That was Hobo in DK's crossover game. *NM*
04/11/2010 08:16:07 PM
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You know we could just forget about that. I wouldn't complain. *NM*
05/11/2010 08:35:03 PM
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Hypocop? *NM*
03/11/2010 03:20:17 PM
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So help me I will spoil the entirety of ToM, people! (not just yet, though)
10/11/2010 02:51:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure if you do, you'll be lynched. *NM*
10/11/2010 09:19:43 PM
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Vote: No Lynch
13/11/2010 12:24:43 AM
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I am very much opposed to this idea
13/11/2010 02:04:27 PM
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Then offer an alternative
13/11/2010 11:10:42 PM
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Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
14/11/2010 04:03:35 AM
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Re: Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
14/11/2010 04:21:12 AM
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I had no RBIRL because my computer died.
14/11/2010 06:52:56 AM
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Ah, I see you did unvote. Very well. I still got my eye on you. *NM*
14/11/2010 06:55:30 AM
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LOL - I guess this is also my informal defense
14/11/2010 08:52:56 AM
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Saying it's not out-of-character to be scummy doesn't make you any less scummy.
14/11/2010 04:33:15 PM
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Watch the difference between what he says and what he is accused of.
14/11/2010 07:08:08 PM
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After this whole argument I've had with FT...
13/11/2010 11:42:32 PM
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People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
14/11/2010 03:43:14 AM
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Re: People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
14/11/2010 02:23:04 PM
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Vote: Isaac
13/11/2010 11:58:56 PM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
14/11/2010 03:02:15 AM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
14/11/2010 04:02:30 AM
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What was scummy?
14/11/2010 04:10:12 AM
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Re: What was scummy?
14/11/2010 05:41:44 AM
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Extrmely thin
14/11/2010 06:05:32 AM
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Actually...
14/11/2010 06:55:02 AM
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Re: Actually...
14/11/2010 07:44:33 AM
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Did you guys just blitz me?
14/11/2010 11:35:58 PM
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Your not hammered yet are you?
14/11/2010 11:46:29 PM
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I think I might be, can never be sure what votes are worth in a heavy role game
14/11/2010 11:50:51 PM
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I'm potentially alive on a technicality
15/11/2010 12:02:36 AM
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Why don't you go ahead and claim then?
15/11/2010 12:11:03 AM
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Sure
15/11/2010 12:34:34 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
15/11/2010 02:13:23 AM
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I think so.
15/11/2010 01:25:46 AM
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Also, I must confess...
15/11/2010 01:32:44 AM
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Re: Also, I must confess...
15/11/2010 01:58:26 AM
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Yes, I would expect so.
15/11/2010 02:22:06 AM
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Re: Yes, I would expect so.
15/11/2010 02:35:49 AM
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I'm unvoting only if the defence is really foolproof, since now no-one can hammer without instantly
15/11/2010 07:18:05 AM
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EBWOP - The "only" in the title is rebundant, it was part of different title I abandoned. *NM*
15/11/2010 07:19:46 AM
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I guess the first title stands afterall I won't automatically unvote just because none should hammer
15/11/2010 08:19:00 AM
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I'll try to help Isaac out a bit here.
15/11/2010 01:11:11 PM
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Thanks, and a question too
15/11/2010 01:30:17 PM
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Well, I'll unvote if the third mason comes forward too. *NM*
15/11/2010 03:30:36 PM
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Jeez, when it rains, it pours
15/11/2010 10:34:54 PM
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OK Isaac
15/11/2010 11:14:45 PM
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My Defense Posts
16/11/2010 04:16:41 AM
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Defense A: The Fantastic Four
16/11/2010 04:31:11 AM
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Defense B: The Numbers Game
16/11/2010 04:36:59 AM
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"What motive would a scummer have"?
16/11/2010 05:56:04 PM
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Without any further questions though?
16/11/2010 11:51:42 PM
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If you see an avalanche coming, you hop on board (NOT a metaphor).
17/11/2010 12:12:31 AM
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Defense C: The Intro Flavor
16/11/2010 04:41:31 AM
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Eh ...
16/11/2010 10:00:21 PM
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Re: Eh ...
17/11/2010 02:33:27 AM
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We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
16/11/2010 07:01:22 AM
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Re: We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
16/11/2010 01:40:21 PM
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Yes, that was it.
16/11/2010 09:05:04 PM
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Re: Yes, that was it.
17/11/2010 02:55:58 AM
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Not at all.
17/11/2010 03:04:50 AM
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Well, that's a borderline lie
17/11/2010 04:29:47 AM
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How do you figure?
17/11/2010 05:46:37 AM
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I'd say its pretty pertinent to my defense
17/11/2010 06:49:20 AM
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All right, fair enough.
17/11/2010 07:19:37 AM
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Thanks for whakcing me before going to bed
17/11/2010 07:39:58 AM
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By the way, I'd appreciate if no one had hammer till FT has a chance to reply and vice-versa
17/11/2010 07:46:18 AM
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I have evidence in favor of and yet against F-T's claim. Take it as you will.
17/11/2010 07:18:35 PM
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Slight EBWOP
17/11/2010 07:20:58 PM
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Re: Slight EBWOP
17/11/2010 07:24:34 PM
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Uh, that doesn't make a lot of sense
17/11/2010 07:22:59 PM
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That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
17/11/2010 07:26:34 PM
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Re: That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
17/11/2010 08:01:20 PM
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Actually that sounds a good plan
17/11/2010 08:06:50 PM
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Glad to hear you agree with yourself
17/11/2010 08:14:42 PM
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All right then.
17/11/2010 12:27:49 AM
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:/ Wanna mention this before I forget. Little niggling that's been bugging me.
17/11/2010 03:03:27 AM
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Ah yes, I noticed that as well
17/11/2010 04:08:15 AM
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I just caught that
17/11/2010 04:53:16 AM
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No, I don't mean Cop.
17/11/2010 05:29:36 AM
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Re: No, I don't mean Cop.
17/11/2010 05:34:46 AM
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I trust him because of the way he's been acting.
17/11/2010 06:30:26 PM
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Complete sidetrack.
17/11/2010 07:28:31 PM
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Re: Complete sidetrack.
17/11/2010 07:33:51 PM
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I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:04:08 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:25:05 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
17/11/2010 06:50:04 AM
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In the interests of honesty, now would probably be a good time to mention ...
17/11/2010 09:22:14 PM
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What the balls?
17/11/2010 09:52:04 PM
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I still only see one way for this day to end
18/11/2010 02:02:03 PM
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Re: I still only see one way for this day to end
18/11/2010 03:18:50 PM
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Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
18/11/2010 05:16:28 PM
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Re: Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
18/11/2010 06:00:06 PM
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I'd also like to point out that we know nothing about you
18/11/2010 03:37:08 PM
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i don't know much about comics but
18/11/2010 05:45:10 PM
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Re: i don't know much about comics but
18/11/2010 05:49:54 PM
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They're also Marvel characters
18/11/2010 06:30:11 PM
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LOL, duly noted
18/11/2010 06:48:08 PM
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Beast is really surprisingly un-beastly.
18/11/2010 06:28:15 PM
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Sure
18/11/2010 06:42:01 PM
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Alright, to hell with this. Let's test F-T's sanity. Vote: Isaac *NM*
21/11/2010 08:29:53 PM
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Ah, the frustration vote, normally my best friend
21/11/2010 09:58:18 PM
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OK, here's a question for beet:
21/11/2010 10:37:08 PM
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You're not suggesting we lynch F-T instead of Isaac, are you?
21/11/2010 11:17:19 PM
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But we do get information
22/11/2010 12:17:20 AM
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<-- Btw, first time I got the hammer vote. My life is now complete. *NM*
22/11/2010 12:20:53 AM
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Well, congrats *NM*
22/11/2010 12:32:34 AM
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Since this is a first for both of us...
22/11/2010 12:35:29 AM
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When someone dies, you find out their role. "Psycho Cop" is a distinct role.
21/11/2010 11:22:50 PM
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Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
22/11/2010 12:00:31 AM
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Re: Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
22/11/2010 12:21:01 AM
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Isaac has been lynched!
22/11/2010 03:10:01 AM
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I can't help but feel a silver bullet would have been appropriate
22/11/2010 04:11:13 AM
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I find that astounding, considering the level of suspicion generally laid upon you *NM*
22/11/2010 04:16:04 AM
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I might just mount your head on my wall .
22/11/2010 05:09:45 AM
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I consider myself an integral part in this group.
22/11/2010 05:27:12 AM
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