Wasn't the DO one of the tourists in a game? Anything can happen.
True, we've whacked a lot of people for good reasons that turned out false, that's mostly what we do on day 1 really, but if we abandon reason on these we get nowhere, and if anything it serves as a reminder to mods to be careful about such things. Look at the robot game, nothing but red herrings, and many of us said we couldn't trust logic on that one while still voting logically, why? Because there's no other alternative and we figured logic still applied to some degree or another, which was true. If character analysis is meaningless, which we are trying to establish, then we need another route. But we don't know that yet and no one has come forward with an alternate line of inquiry and I've said that the ones I can think of have a strong element of risk in them. A good portion of this game is wild-mass-guessing, we have had a lot of times where a team has won by guessing totally wrong but accidentally getting it right too, last game was a lot like that. By and large our guesswork is more productive then a hindrance though.
Let me cite an example. In a game this size our norm has been for there to be an extra NK in play, partial or total, controlled by the scummer faction, the town, or a third party. Rarely in a game this size do we have a single hitter, particularly if we're role heavy and initial indicators is that we are (to clarify, if vanillas don't make up 50% of the crew, you're technically role heavy, though in-house I'd say more like iff 5 out of our 13 players aren't vanilla we are role heavy)
Now, let's say I have concluded we probably have some other NK in play and I think its matched to characters and not in SKrull hands, and I look at your list:
The Human Torch
The Hulk
Magneto
The Punisher
The Punisher stands out as an archetype for the vig role, and MAgneto's a arch-villain and the Hulk is a story all his own. If I thought we had a extra NK in play, a vig scenario for the Punisher would be fairly logical. But let's say I knew you were the Human Torch and could scratch you off that list and there would be a need then to find someone else who might make a logical holder of a NK. Keeping to the Fantastic 4 flavor, lets say someone was the Invisible Woman, she'd be a pretty obvious choice for stealthy watcher, doesn't mean she would be, but it would be weird to bypass that character for the role, or also on the Fan 4 option, the notorious all seeing character "The Watcher" would be a logical watcher choice. Now of course, if you were the Punisher and a vig it wouldn't mean we don't have a SK but it would be less likely, but if I had info indicating you were not, because you were the torch or squirrel girl or whatever, logically I'd scratch you off the NK-likely list if I were working under the assumption that roles correlate to characters, an assumptyion that appears to be true. Scanning down the list, I don't recognize everyone, but nobody else had any ambiguously aligned (not particularly heroes) homicidal sorts, except for your Magneto and Yuna's LEx Luthor - who of course is not a Marvel Character. I'm sure you get my point, lacking much other evidence, we take what we do know and use it, it could easily be wrong but at least its not random. From what I know, the most obvious third party NK would be WF, nobody else really fits the bill. That doesn't mean he is one, and id doesn't mean we have a SK, or even another NK, on the table, but previous games have featured them a lot for parallel circumstances and thus the odds favor it. But that's the whole problem of stats, something either is or isn't, regardless of the probabilities (except in quantum mechanics) a coin will either land head or tails, its not random, its still fair to say it's 50/50 on a given flip and to act accordingly. WF had a list that screamed unlikely or third party, so I pointed it out, and he claimed something I find very unlikely, which is a classic response for a scummer in cases like this, again, doesn't mean he is but the odds are pretty strong, and we've got nothing else right now.
But my point here is more that I don't think we should really judge him based off his character but rather the way he acted when confronted. Judging directly from that, I'd say he's more innocent than guilty. I do get your point about the fantastic 4 and all that stuff though. With nothing else to go off of, I'll back you up but I won't feel good about it.
Go Hokies!
CS/CpE. Yay engineering!
CS/CpE. Yay engineering!
RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE ONE: ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE SKRULL TOLLS!
18/10/2010 04:53:46 AM
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There is only one things I can think to say in a moment like this:
18/10/2010 05:11:19 AM
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Wow. . .
18/10/2010 05:24:34 AM
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One initial route suggests itself
18/10/2010 05:40:43 AM
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It's one of your usual suggestions and I guess we can go with it again.
18/10/2010 06:03:51 AM
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I think 5 is too many. How about 4? *NM*
18/10/2010 06:42:44 PM
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4's a good compromise
18/10/2010 07:47:55 PM
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is this for today
18/10/2010 09:50:39 PM
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We may as well do it today
18/10/2010 10:17:22 PM
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If we're going to do it, it needs to be today
18/10/2010 10:35:12 PM
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Any order is going to have to be randomly established, imo.
18/10/2010 10:45:40 PM
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I don't know that its a major concern, people can just submit them
19/10/2010 12:49:14 AM
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Present.
18/10/2010 07:40:21 AM
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Amazing! Incredible! Uncanny!
18/10/2010 08:20:09 AM
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I meant for that to be a reply to the original message, but oh well *NM*
18/10/2010 08:21:06 AM
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Character Claims (Table) - Complete
19/10/2010 01:04:38 AM
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Sorry! I'm here. *NM*
20/10/2010 09:28:57 PM
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Why did it say Napoleon62? I'm ? *NM*
20/10/2010 09:29:44 PM
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Secret identity revealed! DUN DUN DUN! *NM*
20/10/2010 09:31:48 PM
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Busteeddddddddddddddddddd *NM*
20/10/2010 09:35:02 PM
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This is an interesting development... *NM*
20/10/2010 10:10:19 PM
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What? *NM*
20/10/2010 10:24:23 PM
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How is it now? *NM*
20/10/2010 10:25:26 PM
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And probably slightly unethical. *NM*
20/10/2010 11:06:40 PM
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Slightly?
21/10/2010 12:57:34 AM
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are we actualy going to do anything today?
21/10/2010 01:31:15 AM
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Re: Ok let me sit this one out...I don't know what's going on at all but...yeah *NM*
21/10/2010 01:54:54 AM
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And that's me ? getting modkilled if possible....Sorry everyone *NM*
21/10/2010 01:55:26 AM
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I'd rather have you stay in...
21/10/2010 02:07:00 AM
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I've done that quite a few times...
21/10/2010 02:11:48 AM
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On the whole Napoleon/? issue
21/10/2010 03:42:04 AM
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Yeah, no need for ? to quit. *NM*
21/10/2010 07:25:43 AM
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Yay!! *NM*
21/10/2010 11:40:56 AM
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Testing one two three *NM*
21/10/2010 11:41:51 AM
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Ok...back to normal...that never happened...Where are we in the game? *NM*
21/10/2010 11:42:21 AM
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What? Again? *NM*
21/10/2010 11:42:47 AM
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Ok, here's what we can do.
21/10/2010 01:33:53 PM
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Sounds like a plan.
21/10/2010 02:34:46 PM
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Umm..
21/10/2010 09:41:13 PM
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So that's everyone, I think.
22/10/2010 04:13:06 AM
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Re: So that's everyone, I think.
22/10/2010 08:00:43 AM
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This is awesome
21/10/2010 09:06:24 PM
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I'm surprised it never happened to us. We just rock. *NM*
21/10/2010 11:52:00 PM
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Woah, you guys are related??
22/10/2010 04:16:59 AM
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Yes we are. He's my older brother. *NM*
22/10/2010 04:47:31 AM
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Adds an extra layer of humor to your fratricidal actions back in game 9
22/10/2010 08:02:42 AM
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I still bug him about that one. We finally end up a in a mason group together,
22/10/2010 02:29:58 PM
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Sorry, I thought everyone knew that.
22/10/2010 07:50:10 PM
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Its not really a big surprise but I don't think you've ever really mentioned it
24/10/2010 04:59:02 AM
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Really? I thought we had. Yeah, it didn't come up to often, but I thought we had mentioned it. *NM*
24/10/2010 05:32:07 AM
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If you use different computers, or even different accounts on the same computer, it wouldn't
22/10/2010 10:34:50 AM
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So... What are we going to do? There doesn't seem to be much to discuss. *NM*
23/10/2010 11:27:10 AM
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I think everyone is waiting for the ? and Napoleon62 situation to resolve *NM*
23/10/2010 07:30:39 PM
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No, there's nothing to resolve there
23/10/2010 08:43:17 PM
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Ok. What are peoples opinions on how long should we give him? *NM*
23/10/2010 10:18:46 PM
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I think we should give him a reasonable amount of time.
23/10/2010 11:00:57 PM
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depends what you define as reasonable
24/10/2010 12:54:34 AM
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I did put my hero people
24/10/2010 01:06:29 AM
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Not sure how to proceed at the moment
24/10/2010 05:09:20 AM
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how about we all give our thoughts on who the SK might be? *NM*
24/10/2010 06:57:57 AM
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Re: Not sure how to proceed at the moment
24/10/2010 03:16:29 PM
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I'm not going to be voting for White Flame anyway.
24/10/2010 07:15:31 PM
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Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM
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Re: Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 06:45:19 AM
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Edit by way of post:
25/10/2010 06:53:47 AM
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Re: Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 08:44:49 AM
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"Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 05:26:21 AM
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Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 03:54:19 PM
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Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 05:34:28 PM
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Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac
25/10/2010 06:24:04 PM
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Re: Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac
25/10/2010 06:38:16 PM
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This is what I meant by stretching for a match
26/10/2010 12:40:50 AM
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I'd also like to point out.
26/10/2010 01:11:05 AM
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That's true
26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM
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That does make sense
26/10/2010 02:12:33 AM
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It does make sense.
26/10/2010 02:19:55 AM
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Watcher isn't an especially powerful role, I doubt the mafia would single him out.
26/10/2010 02:56:03 AM
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Even in if they do single him out,
26/10/2010 08:52:18 PM
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Yes as far as I can see. I'm not too experienced with Marvel *NM*
26/10/2010 09:49:22 PM
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So what's the temperature right now on this?
27/10/2010 04:10:18 AM
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Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
28/10/2010 02:24:09 AM
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Re: Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
28/10/2010 02:28:25 AM
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Okay, mega-absurd posting slump
29/10/2010 03:01:38 PM
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But really. . .
29/10/2010 06:19:17 PM
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This puts him at L-1.
29/10/2010 06:45:05 PM
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Re: This puts him at L-1.
29/10/2010 07:28:18 PM
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Oh come on!
29/10/2010 07:41:54 PM
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It would be great if, in his pettiness, WF forgot he was a bomb.
29/10/2010 08:00:26 PM
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Apparently everybody likes option E after all *NM*
29/10/2010 07:17:21 PM
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White Flame has been lynched
30/10/2010 07:10:15 AM
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When do you think Day 2 will start? *NM*
31/10/2010 05:44:28 PM
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Sorry for the delay, Day 2 should begin within the next 24 hours
03/11/2010 01:00:13 AM
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