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Re: Something about this bugs me Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 25/10/2010 06:50:16 PM
Granted, I was dead when his role was revealed, so one out of 17 prior games?


Yeah, but I'm surprised that it hasn't been used more thus far. Considering that beet was the one to get it, it wouldn't surprise me that he reuse it.

Right, and I do know, and I said I did, and I'm repeating that Deadpool as a Watcher makes about as much sense as Lan as a Doc, it's possible, but only by the same sort of stretch that could fit anyone to nearly anything that isn't totally against their character. I had to water down the inquisition on character matching role to make it safe for consumption but we've got 7 of 13 responders in so far, and all said 'yes', that they match.


All right, I thought you meant it as in "serial killer makes more sense as his role" and not as in "Watcher makes no sense as his role".

Your track record for going easy on people under the finger of suspicion on Day 1 is as bad as me or DK's. I'm not claiming a knack for mind-reading, but I can gauge trends as well as anyone else. How often have you not voted for the person who was lynched on Day 1? When was the last time you strongly leaped to someone's defense on Day 1? Personally, I have trouble remembering when you've ever defended scummer allies, you tend to bus people, then there's the SK problem, they don't have allies, and it would be seem a bit strange for a Skrull to impersonate someone nobody likes or trusts, except under the 'person you'd most and thus least suspect' concept.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense if you were masoned together and didn't know he was a SK. But I didn't delve into the point because it merely revolves around your most major character pick being one of the most strongly involved major characters with his claim, and 'involved' is not 'allies', depending on the writers the two tend get along about as well a ice cream and a blow torch. I don't know what the score is with WF, let alone you, so I'm pointing out available data points as possible explanations for why you might be mounting what to me seems a very enthusiastic effort. Heck, for all I know your just digging your heels in because I'm the one who leveled the accusation. This all comes bakc to strange behavior, I didn't accuse you, an its not like I mince words on things like that, because I simply don't get why you jumped so strongly to his defense, it is, as you say yourself, very unlike you. You've admitted it would be abnormal for you to react to defend an ally, but your ticked because I'm calling this bizarre behavior from you?

Because 'suspicious' in this case just means behavior with no obvious visible motivator. I've been known to, as a scummer, leap to townie's defenses for various reasons, partially just to give myself an excuse to do it in future games for allies without drawing suspicion. You really don't. If your a skrull, you might be wanting to defend him because he is too, that's possible, or because you want it remembered a townie died over your objection because if he turns out SK its no skin off your teeth, you can't be allied to a SK so it wouldn't draw suspicion. That makes sense, I'd do that. "Hey, I didn't think he was a SK, if I were scum, I'd want him dead whether I thought he was town or SK, so why defend him?" and if he turned out town "I'm known for voting for people on Day 1, so if I were scum, I wouldn't have had any motivation to not to vote for him or to defend him"... but that's just some options. You could have some piece of info your not telling us, like if you were wolverine, know for outing shapechangers by sense of smell, you might have started knowing "That's Wade Wilson all right, nobody smell's like that bastard" but not want to give away that ability or clue. I don't know what you're up to or why, but I think you're up to something, it could be pro-town for all I know.


All right, that's fair. It is true that I myself thought of it as bizarre, considering that I have repeatedly stated that I am willing to lynch even someone I suspect to be a townie (heck, I even suicided in that one game where I was mason) in order to get a Day 1 lynch. And it's not that I wouldn't vote for White Flame if it came down to it, but under the current circumstances I view (or viewed, anyway, since everyone else seems to agree with your interpretation of Deadpool, it might turn out to be like Joe Kerr/Jack Napier from a few games ago) White Flame as not being presently suspicious.

And again, the reason for that is that he is being targeted as serial killer rather than as mafia. It's more a case of my scepticism leading me away from a path of inquiry that not only might be a dead end, but might not exist at all. Although that did lead to probably mu dumbest moment in these games when I failed to capitalise on mecha-Javert, so we'll see.

Yeah, I actually mentioned when I made the accusation that its obviously something a scummer would do too, so at the very least, you'd be accusing me as a probable scummer who knows very well that crusades against third parties draw eyes. In fairness, one game as a townie we did have a third party I didn't raise the option, but that was the Tower game and I doubted we'd have a third party with only 10 players and the SK got taken out on night 1. I also raised the option of a third party repeatedly last game, and I was town. I'm scum a lot, and I'm suspicious of third parties a lot, these things occasionally coincide, but keep in mind that other than as idle speculation I don't talk much about third parties on Day 1 and, we've only had about four games post game 6 they weren't in, I modded two of those and I got capped on night 1 of another of those, and your game 9 I was spending all my efforts trying to scheme in a two-week short game and convince people there were DFs. So its not really a fair accusation to level my way. I have raised it as a townie, but there's not a lot of cases for me to cite because there haven't been a lot of good reasons too, and again, I couldn't have 'done it on accident' since my original accusation on WF includes me discussing how a scummer would have a motivation to do it. That's me, like now, acknowledging that a dead SK will do nothing to improve my own trust levels and pointing out that whether I'm town or scummer I'm trustworthy on this matter and if anything, more trustworthy on the matter if a scummer, so people shouldn't waste the effort with a 'Never trust Isaac' line of reasoning on this one, because either way I'm on the level.

If I thought I had a good lead to share on the Skrulls, I would - I saw this, I consider eliminating a SK a good day 1 prize (trying to get a scummer on a team on day 1 is usually a losing proposition anyway) and I raised it. It's not like targeting for a SK or cultist is anti-town, they do as much damage as the classic scummer group does but early game can be taken out with one shot. The only reason we don't go after them with vigor is because they're smaller and hard to detect. Well, I saw a lead, the game is big enough for a SK, we've had plenty of them, and I've raised the SK and cult option many a time, I'm sure some of them I was a townie.

I was right about him being Deadpool, and as you've found out, this is not a bizarre claim for me to aim at him. Look at this from my perspective, town or DF I'd want a possible SK dead, and you basically come out and tell me "Yeah, he said he's Asunawa but he's a Watcher". I get it, you really don't know Marvel, so it doesn't seem as strange to you, but from my perspective, you're saying you don't think Asunawa is suspicious while having a Whitecloak prominently on your list. We may be ramping up to DefCon 1 on each other again without good reason. I admit I could be seeing shadows on you because I'm seeing your behavior as very suspicious in the context of my knowledge of MArvel and it doesn't fit very well since you don't know those comics, but surely you can see on explanation why both his character and his RC drew my eye and why your defense of him took my notice. We may not have a SK, just on historical odds the odds of us having one are a bit better than 50/50, they've been in way more non-early-days games then they've been absent. Since game 6 they've been in most games, and most of those that didn't have them had either the option for one to appear (both of the ones I modded) or a cult or third faction or some variation there of. So the odds favor it, and he's a very viable candidate for it, and he's produced what seems to me a very unlikely but 'safe' RC. I don't know if I'm right, but I think my logic train on this one is legit.


Obviously I am not accusing you of anything for this right now. Normally I would, but in this case I can clearly see the reasoning behind it - the method of investigation you've prioritised does not really allow us to find mafia, but it might catch a serial killer. So you can rest easy on that point anyway, for once I am not suspicious of someone for basing their actions on the hunt for third parties rather than the mafia. Although if I do ever have a particular reason to suspect you, I might bring it up again :P. Reasonable or not, it would be a beneficial tactic for mafia to employ.

Anyway, I'm going to concede this one since people seem to agree that White Flame's character claim really is that bad, so go ahead.
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RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE ONE: ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE SKRULL TOLLS! - 18/10/2010 04:53:46 AM 2851 Views
Vote Table - 18/10/2010 04:56:23 AM 1308 Views
There is only one things I can think to say in a moment like this: - 18/10/2010 05:11:19 AM 1241 Views
No, but as a Skrull you would. - 18/10/2010 05:22:46 AM 1303 Views
What if I were a Skrull Superhero? - 18/10/2010 06:11:40 PM 1300 Views
TIME MARCHES ON! *NM* - 18/10/2010 05:11:34 AM 774 Views
Wow. . . - 18/10/2010 05:24:34 AM 1272 Views
One initial route suggests itself - 18/10/2010 05:40:43 AM 1284 Views
Sounds like a good plan to me. - 18/10/2010 06:00:39 AM 1258 Views
It's one of your usual suggestions and I guess we can go with it again. - 18/10/2010 06:03:51 AM 1270 Views
I think this sounds reasonable. - 18/10/2010 03:54:26 PM 1293 Views
I think 5 is too many. How about 4? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:42:44 PM 814 Views
4's a good compromise - 18/10/2010 07:47:55 PM 1320 Views
is this for today - 18/10/2010 09:50:39 PM 1231 Views
Today. - 18/10/2010 09:59:06 PM 1253 Views
We may as well do it today - 18/10/2010 10:17:22 PM 1304 Views
If we're going to do it, it needs to be today - 18/10/2010 10:35:12 PM 1262 Views
Any order is going to have to be randomly established, imo. - 18/10/2010 10:45:40 PM 1269 Views
I don't know that its a major concern, people can just submit them - 19/10/2010 12:49:14 AM 1267 Views
Present. - 18/10/2010 07:40:21 AM 1237 Views
Amazing! Incredible! Uncanny! - 18/10/2010 08:20:09 AM 1232 Views
I meant for that to be a reply to the original message, but oh well *NM* - 18/10/2010 08:21:06 AM 887 Views
here! - 18/10/2010 10:47:36 AM 1368 Views
I am here - 18/10/2010 07:48:40 PM 1223 Views
Hola - 18/10/2010 08:51:52 PM 1249 Views
Character Claims (Table) - Complete - 19/10/2010 01:04:38 AM 1375 Views
My list - 19/10/2010 01:26:14 AM 1233 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 01:27:53 AM 1253 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 02:08:49 AM 1217 Views
Me! - 19/10/2010 03:11:10 AM 1259 Views
Son of Adun. - 19/10/2010 03:19:49 AM 1450 Views
And that is still an incomplete list *NM* - 19/10/2010 04:24:23 AM 753 Views
en taro adun, executor *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:17:16 PM 809 Views
All right, I pretty much chose my list on a whim though. - 21/10/2010 12:09:57 AM 1275 Views
My list - 19/10/2010 04:09:47 AM 1284 Views
this is my list - 19/10/2010 05:31:17 AM 1279 Views
Claims abound! - 19/10/2010 05:58:55 AM 1283 Views
Mine - 19/10/2010 07:50:50 AM 1162 Views
mine - 19/10/2010 10:42:22 AM 1338 Views
Re: Character Claims (Table) - 19/10/2010 08:40:44 PM 1313 Views
So, anyone got any ideas? *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:19:51 AM 761 Views
Possibly... - 20/10/2010 07:31:10 AM 1275 Views
Ok *NM* - 20/10/2010 05:00:57 PM 769 Views
Sorry! I'm here. *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:28:57 PM 851 Views
Why did it say Napoleon62? I'm ? *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:29:44 PM 822 Views
This is REALLY weird *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:30:06 PM 848 Views
Secret identity revealed! DUN DUN DUN! *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:31:48 PM 852 Views
Busteeddddddddddddddddddd *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:35:02 PM 741 Views
This is an interesting development... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:10:19 PM 756 Views
What? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:24:23 PM 890 Views
How is it now? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:25:26 PM 848 Views
What the heck!?!?!? Please wait as I figure this out... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:26:05 PM 902 Views
Whattttt?? Weird! *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:34:12 PM 731 Views
And probably slightly unethical. *NM* - 20/10/2010 11:06:40 PM 745 Views
Slightly? - 21/10/2010 12:57:34 AM 1322 Views
Actuall Napoleon is my brother *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:23:44 AM 878 Views
That explains it. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:16:38 AM 839 Views
OH MY GOD! MURDERERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 12:46:40 AM 717 Views
are we actualy going to do anything today? - 21/10/2010 01:31:15 AM 1265 Views
Re: Ok let me sit this one out...I don't know what's going on at all but...yeah *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:54:54 AM 791 Views
And that's me ? getting modkilled if possible....Sorry everyone *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:55:26 AM 882 Views
I'd rather have you stay in... - 21/10/2010 02:07:00 AM 1189 Views
I've done that quite a few times... - 21/10/2010 02:11:48 AM 1397 Views
Try the bottom of the message box... - 21/10/2010 03:54:51 AM 1257 Views
Bingo. - 22/10/2010 10:35:20 AM 1282 Views
I mean, we don't have to. Napoleon isn't playing in this game. - 21/10/2010 02:58:29 AM 1226 Views
On the whole Napoleon/? issue - 21/10/2010 03:42:04 AM 1316 Views
Yeah, no need for ? to quit. *NM* - 21/10/2010 07:25:43 AM 762 Views
Yay!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:40:56 AM 860 Views
Testing one two three *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:41:51 AM 769 Views
Ok...back to normal...that never happened...Where are we in the game? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:21 AM 812 Views
What? Again? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:47 AM 832 Views
Ok, here's what we can do. - 21/10/2010 01:33:53 PM 1176 Views
Sounds like a plan. - 21/10/2010 02:34:46 PM 1209 Views
Umm.. - 21/10/2010 09:41:13 PM 1239 Views
So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 04:13:06 AM 1179 Views
Re: So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 08:00:43 AM 1201 Views
a minor correction - 22/10/2010 02:43:27 PM 1237 Views
Re: a minor correction - 23/10/2010 03:08:02 AM 1224 Views
Well. . . - 22/10/2010 07:03:12 PM 1201 Views
Re: Well. . . - 23/10/2010 02:56:00 AM 1227 Views
<---- Would totally play a Dresden Files game - 23/10/2010 04:03:17 AM 1456 Views
This is awesome - 21/10/2010 09:06:24 PM 1229 Views
I'm surprised it never happened to us. We just rock. *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:52:00 PM 741 Views
Woah, you guys are related?? - 22/10/2010 04:16:59 AM 1274 Views
Yes we are. He's my older brother. *NM* - 22/10/2010 04:47:31 AM 726 Views
Adds an extra layer of humor to your fratricidal actions back in game 9 - 22/10/2010 08:02:42 AM 9357 Views
I still bug him about that one. We finally end up a in a mason group together, - 22/10/2010 02:29:58 PM 1270 Views
That sounds Drow, not Cairhienin . - 22/10/2010 07:00:22 PM 1196 Views
Gah. I thought I had that game figured out. - 22/10/2010 07:45:23 PM 1224 Views
Sorry, I thought everyone knew that. - 22/10/2010 07:50:10 PM 1251 Views
Its not really a big surprise but I don't think you've ever really mentioned it - 24/10/2010 04:59:02 AM 1229 Views
Really? I thought we had. Yeah, it didn't come up to often, but I thought we had mentioned it. *NM* - 24/10/2010 05:32:07 AM 787 Views
Nope! *NM* - 24/10/2010 07:18:23 AM 702 Views
So... What are we going to do? There doesn't seem to be much to discuss. *NM* - 23/10/2010 11:27:10 AM 743 Views
I think everyone is waiting for the ? and Napoleon62 situation to resolve *NM* - 23/10/2010 07:30:39 PM 753 Views
No, there's nothing to resolve there - 23/10/2010 08:43:17 PM 1275 Views
Ok. What are peoples opinions on how long should we give him? *NM* - 23/10/2010 10:18:46 PM 778 Views
I think we should give him a reasonable amount of time. - 23/10/2010 11:00:57 PM 1214 Views
depends what you define as reasonable - 24/10/2010 12:54:34 AM 1192 Views
I did put my hero people - 24/10/2010 01:06:29 AM 1301 Views
Yeah, I put it up but... - 24/10/2010 01:33:01 AM 1236 Views
Oh ok. *NM* - 24/10/2010 01:34:03 PM 717 Views
oh ok - 24/10/2010 01:59:30 PM 1244 Views
Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 05:09:20 AM 1231 Views
how about we all give our thoughts on who the SK might be? *NM* - 24/10/2010 06:57:57 AM 797 Views
Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 07:17:45 AM 1204 Views
Re: Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 08:45:22 AM 1222 Views
It's Day 1 right now, we don't have a whole lot. - 24/10/2010 07:03:58 AM 1262 Views
Yep. - 24/10/2010 07:04:47 AM 1278 Views
Re: Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 03:16:29 PM 1238 Views
Okay then - 24/10/2010 03:24:22 PM 1128 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:04:26 PM 1217 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:06:37 PM 1232 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:27:43 PM 1202 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 06:26:13 PM 1195 Views
I'm not going to be voting for White Flame anyway. - 24/10/2010 07:15:31 PM 1168 Views
Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM 1295 Views
^Seconded. - 25/10/2010 05:54:45 AM 1195 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:45:19 AM 1529 Views
Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 06:53:47 AM 1217 Views
Re: Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 08:50:28 AM 1218 Views
Oh, all right. That's more than fair. - 25/10/2010 06:21:07 PM 1160 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 08:44:49 AM 1245 Views
I disagree with you. - 25/10/2010 05:05:03 PM 1226 Views
EBWOP - 25/10/2010 09:23:51 PM 1259 Views
i thought it was an airline - 26/10/2010 11:17:57 PM 1167 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:50:16 PM 1211 Views
I'm in agreement with Isaac and Kronin. - 25/10/2010 06:21:23 AM 1191 Views
"Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:26:21 AM 1341 Views
Yup. - 25/10/2010 05:53:03 AM 1241 Views
Re: Yup. - 25/10/2010 06:07:46 AM 1232 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:05:07 AM 749 Views
Yes, I imagine so. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:47:54 AM 712 Views
Yep *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:51:17 AM 717 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 07:36:23 AM 601 Views
yeah *NM* - 25/10/2010 08:39:44 AM 751 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 03:54:19 PM 1195 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:34:28 PM 1340 Views
Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:24:04 PM 1212 Views
Re: Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:38:16 PM 1222 Views
You make a compelling point, sir. - 25/10/2010 08:46:58 PM 1235 Views
This is what I meant by stretching for a match - 26/10/2010 12:40:50 AM 1407 Views
I'd also like to point out. - 26/10/2010 01:11:05 AM 1166 Views
That's the same game where Yuna was the Joker, wasn't it? - 26/10/2010 01:51:35 AM 1127 Views
yes, lets bring that up as much as possible - 26/10/2010 09:30:56 AM 1182 Views
That's true - 26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM 1191 Views
That does make sense - 26/10/2010 02:12:33 AM 1369 Views
It does make sense. - 26/10/2010 02:19:55 AM 1209 Views
Watcher isn't an especially powerful role, I doubt the mafia would single him out. - 26/10/2010 02:56:03 AM 1081 Views
I dunno, better safe than sorry is always my NK motto. - 26/10/2010 04:31:42 AM 1171 Views
Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 08:52:18 PM 1204 Views
Re: Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 09:03:21 PM 1138 Views
It means I think we should do it. - 27/10/2010 12:43:34 AM 1166 Views
Yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:33:22 PM 685 Views
yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 09:42:56 PM 714 Views
yes. *NM* - 26/10/2010 02:24:23 AM 716 Views
Yes as far as I can see. I'm not too experienced with Marvel *NM* - 26/10/2010 09:49:22 PM 909 Views
So what's the temperature right now on this? - 27/10/2010 04:10:18 AM 1175 Views
Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:24:09 AM 1194 Views
Re: Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:28:25 AM 1185 Views
I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 03:29:44 AM 1222 Views
Re: I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 04:57:32 PM 1152 Views
RBIRL - 28/10/2010 07:04:44 AM 1240 Views
I'm not sure what we should do - 28/10/2010 11:12:07 PM 1197 Views
Some thoughts - 28/10/2010 05:35:58 AM 1200 Views
Is there a general consensus? - 28/10/2010 04:37:08 PM 1222 Views
RBIRL and stuff - 28/10/2010 03:49:58 AM 1201 Views
Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 03:01:38 PM 1277 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:14:38 PM 788 Views
Vote: White Flame *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:29:55 PM 714 Views
Re: Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 04:30:30 PM 1189 Views
Yeah, I was considering imposing a limit. - 29/10/2010 04:56:12 PM 1228 Views
Hrbrlblrb. - 29/10/2010 05:34:08 PM 1149 Views
Alright, alright - 29/10/2010 06:06:46 PM 1211 Views
I said I'd wait for him to find another candidate... - 29/10/2010 06:15:44 PM 1154 Views
But really. . . - 29/10/2010 06:19:17 PM 1193 Views
This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 06:45:05 PM 1312 Views
Re: This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 07:28:18 PM 1267 Views
Oh come on! - 29/10/2010 07:41:54 PM 1166 Views
It would be great if, in his pettiness, WF forgot he was a bomb. - 29/10/2010 08:00:26 PM 1208 Views
That would make me chuckle. - 29/10/2010 08:04:54 PM 1267 Views
Or that he was a Priest . - 29/10/2010 09:57:14 PM 1258 Views
Apparently everybody likes option E after all *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:17:21 PM 695 Views
It was the best option there was. *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:59:11 PM 764 Views
That, or we are all very lazy. *NM* - 29/10/2010 08:45:14 PM 696 Views
I still don't. - 29/10/2010 09:55:38 PM 1200 Views
White Flame has been lynched - 30/10/2010 07:10:15 AM 1297 Views
Dang! *NM* - 30/10/2010 09:38:44 AM 747 Views
When do you think Day 2 will start? *NM* - 31/10/2010 05:44:28 PM 664 Views
Hm... I'd say Tuesdayish - 31/10/2010 05:58:12 PM 1179 Views
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO *NM* - 31/10/2010 07:02:11 PM 739 Views
Sorry for the delay, Day 2 should begin within the next 24 hours - 03/11/2010 01:00:13 AM 1183 Views

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