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Crypto tricks Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM
Okay, I am slightly won over by this idea...not enough to endorse it and participate yet...but enough to want to know more details.


Its big advantage, I think, is that the DFs couldn't have anticipated this outcome, scummers who aren't otherwise suspected don't make up RC's on night 1 and share and criticize around because you've no idea who is what yet. What we'll do, if we go with the plan, is ask the less frequent posters to get there's up first - their code that is - just so if we end up waiting on someone, odds are most won't have posted theirs yet, minimizes risk, we don't really need to go in strict order, then, as soon as the last one is in, we start revealing our code keys, roughly in reverse order I think, the last poster doesn't even need to code, and anyone who thinks they'll have a very hard time using the coding tricks can request to go last. If 8 or 9 of us have posted our codes, little harm is done by having someone skip the code and just state their role. Everyone posts some clear code, relatively short, no more than 20 or 30 characters, no more than maybe half a dozen padding characters, if they've got some really large hybrid role they can always drop vowels and abbreviate, which I'll put in a table, they can then litter their message giving the code with all sorts clues about the key to the code, so long as the actual code is specific, so nobody tries to overlap multiple codes they can claim out of, encoding three or four roles into one message. I'll go into some sample methods below. We'll essentially achieve simultaneous claims, which is very good to do, sort of the equivalent of having everyone write down their name and role on a piece of paper and sticking it in a hat, then when they're all in have them read and tabled.

This happens to be a ideal situation to try it out, I've considered using it generally for normal mass claims but it hasn't been in my best interests to do it for, well, since game 5 or so, lot of scummering, wasn't necessary, or I was dead, etc. IT has given me a fair amount of time to refine the idea for use

For one, I think we definitely need those suggestions and advice you mentioned because I very honestly have no clue how I would even start.


Sure thing. The biggest concern is leaving a message that can't be simply cracked while simultaneously leaving no doubt that the key to decode it was as given, so someone couldn't later manufacture a fake key to fit their clue. I'll give some examples.

I am a cop. I wish to encrypt that, just doing "dpq" is kinda obvious, one letter onto each, plus only so many roles have 3 letter names, but let's say we wanted to encode that to make it hard to extract.

"The Flower, IAEUR"

Starting with cop, the letter-number switcheroo is 3-15-16
Now, for F-L- O -U-R (flower as hint to Flour) it's 6-12-15-21-18

Making Cop 3-15-16-0-0 and adding it to 6-12-15-21-18 gives you:
9-27-31-21-18, for all numbers above 26, we simply repeat back to A=27, B=28, etc, so it turns into 9-1-5-21-18 ---> I-A-E-U-R

Now, trying to guess one's way back to cop from that clue is damn nigh impossible, and this just being a game, no one is too likely to try, you can hack any simple code given enough time and effort, but short messages like this, where one is basically trying to drop the clues needed not to decode it but to prove that that the key to decoding it was the original, not too tricky.

I can't give anyone anything specific to use, since if I do some can crack it, just give ideas. Go through anything you make and double check it to make sure its right and both obvious on explanation and arcane otherwise, nothing too heavy. Up above was one example that can be modified. And I'm sure people can come up with other. Stay simple, people don't need to have a clue that cracks it, just makes it clear your key is singular. Up above was an example, and so is this message. "BWMLFHR"


For those having doubts about how effective this is, try to crack that before going further down for the answer









I can't give anyone anything specific to use, since if I do some can crack it, just give ideas. Go through anything you make and double check it to make sure its right and both obvious on explanation and arcane otherwise, nothing too heavy. Up above was one example that can be modified. And I'm sure people can come up with other. Stay simple, people don't need to have a clue that cracks it, just makes it clear your key is singular. Up above was an example, and so is this message.

First word of every sentence "I Go Up And Stay Up" with the sentence beginning with "And" serving as an indicator this isn't an accident. What goes up and stays up? Lots of stuff, so hard to guess even if someone catches that, but in this case: Helium... note also "Nothing too heavy" which serves as another confirmation. HELIUM is the key to our code BWMLFHR

Tracker + Helium = BWMLFHR
20-18-1-3-11-5-18 + 8-5-12-9-21-3-0 = 28-23-13-12-32-8-18
Change the 28 and 32 into 2 and 6 (28-26 and 32-26) and you get
2-23-13-12-6-8-18 or BWMLFHR... by the way, one should pad these things, say use CRBWMLFHRAP instead, as CR-BWMLFHR-AP... CR-AP, crap, or rather than just encode cop, encode I am a COP - IAMACOP, or encode POCAMAI instead and use as your key REVERSE, scatter clues in the message like "I think we need to push forward with our investigations, and we're really not" and "Seems like everytime we lynch someone they're the opposite of what we expect" and so on. You want as many points of contact confirming your key as you can.

That's not the only route of course, it's just fairly straightforward and reusable. Most others, I'll ruin if I give them but people can use them for ideas, for instance, my last message had a time stamp of 013329, I could add that to "tracker" and comment on how the key was in my last message, etc, etc, nobody would be likely to guess that. Gotta be a little careful my timestamp is set to my time for me, everyone in the default site time will see 063329, but that can be explained, and a single letter off can be forgiven as a mistake so long as its still clear. I know when I left the code telling everyone (in RP Mafia) that I'd copped FT and found him loyal and we were now in discreet cahoots, to be used if I died, I was using all capital letters as the code, and accidentally capitalized someone's name out of habit, odds are if you mess up that way and your decode reads DOCVTOR you'll be good, or if it reads DOCUOR, but doubly checking is a good idea.

Our big advantage is that even if someone cracks it, they can hardly say they did or tell their allies, ideally we have the less frequent posters go first too, so we're not giving people days to try their hand at cracking codes, personally I'll try it just for fun, but mine's already up their so it shouldn't matter. IF anyone wants to go the letter-number route this app will help you can turn the word into numbers or the numbers back into letters, time consuming and easier to make a mistake otherwise. IF anyone really devotes the time to crack codes and is successful, well good for them, a little extra game for that player, most likely it would be one scummer cracking one or two codes for their own use on what to avoid claiming, they won't get them all I'm sure (and if so, they probably deserve to win) let alone aid their allies with the knowledge, so this is pretty safe.

I think I also need to hear more opinions on this.

but I like that it's a new idea that the scum won't be able to have a prediscussed offense against, especially if we can get it done before the next night phase.


Ideally we do it before we lynch anyone today, since there's a good chance we'll shake out someone doing this, its big problem is we'll be exposing our doc, cop, etc... but the cop is often exposed by day 3 and the doc too. In a game of 12 people, usually by day 4, 6 of the 12 are dead anyway, and any given player has about a 1 in 5 chance of getting snuffed during our double lynch. It's a calculated sacrifice that we may not even have to pay, though that's for later.
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Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad. - 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM 949 Views
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oops, meant to post that to the main topic. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:31:09 PM 599 Views
they what the what??? - 15/09/2010 08:07:08 AM 859 Views
Moving along - 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM 1136 Views
knife hand? *confused* *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM 505 Views
You like being the one to kill people. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:48:56 PM 587 Views
oh *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:59:03 PM 555 Views
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Sorry bout Yesterday. - 15/09/2010 07:56:22 PM 823 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20, but I think we overreacted *NM* - 15/09/2010 09:03:27 PM 582 Views
Haha. Apparantly so...still. I didn't like what he said. *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:19:35 PM 583 Views
You're just annoyed that I voted for you! - 17/09/2010 04:06:11 PM 896 Views
my current suspects - 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM 1036 Views
How is that a tactic? *NM* - 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM 527 Views
It's a great tactic - 16/09/2010 04:41:38 AM 910 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 16/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 545 Views
Definitely. White Flame has been almost nonexistent. - 15/09/2010 11:23:21 PM 934 Views
yeah, its pretty odd. - 16/09/2010 12:42:01 AM 885 Views
Re: my current suspects - 16/09/2010 03:31:41 AM 1009 Views
Expanding the list - 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM 960 Views
Sorry All - 16/09/2010 10:27:08 PM 886 Views
19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:00:14 AM 1070 Views
Re: 19? damn - 17/09/2010 03:40:03 AM 917 Views
Really sorry about the lack of contributions - 18/09/2010 01:02:13 AM 974 Views
RBIRL - 17/09/2010 11:38:33 PM 948 Views
Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits - 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM 980 Views
I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM 804 Views
I can - 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM 902 Views
There's no REAL downside though... - 18/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 945 Views
Re: There's no REAL downside though... - 19/09/2010 01:22:48 PM 857 Views
Nay - 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM 943 Views
Can we get an actual reason please? *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:32:35 AM 570 Views
I just posted it in response to Isaac *NM* - 18/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 520 Views
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Aye *NM* - 18/09/2010 12:09:39 PM 531 Views
I'm going to go with Vote: Aye - 18/09/2010 02:43:26 PM 904 Views
I'm gonna go with Aye - 18/09/2010 04:16:42 PM 928 Views
Vote: Aye! - 18/09/2010 06:18:47 PM 932 Views
Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay? - 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM 946 Views
The vote has already reached a majority, by the way. - 18/09/2010 08:47:56 PM 862 Views
I'm not for Nay - 21/09/2010 01:25:41 AM 873 Views
Oh well too late - 21/09/2010 01:27:36 AM 862 Views
Talk Like a Pirate Day be tomorrow. Arrrr. *NM* - 18/09/2010 08:37:09 PM 511 Views
We need to come up with a plan - 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM 925 Views
Well, here's who voted for BA: - 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM 901 Views
? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM 893 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 19/09/2010 02:33:53 PM 942 Views
He is, but I think... - 19/09/2010 03:24:34 PM 920 Views
So what do we do until then? - 19/09/2010 11:32:45 PM 924 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM 923 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM 876 Views
Who are your candidates for lynch? - 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM 910 Views
I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA - 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM 861 Views
I think I have a plan - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM 1041 Views
...erm... - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM 1015 Views
Crypto tricks - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM 953 Views
Also, there's a good chance we ALREADY lynched the cop - 20/09/2010 03:53:49 PM 828 Views
I did notice that... - 21/09/2010 07:50:20 AM 824 Views
I like this idea - 20/09/2010 07:59:31 AM 884 Views
one more thing - 20/09/2010 05:29:00 PM 832 Views
OK, cool! - 20/09/2010 04:17:50 PM 885 Views
intresting idea. - 20/09/2010 04:50:06 PM 925 Views
Alright, I can get behind this. - 20/09/2010 06:14:03 PM 799 Views
*confusion* *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:32:41 AM 503 Views
Basically, he's suggesting a mass roleclaim - 21/09/2010 06:05:34 AM 861 Views
Okay so I got my code... - 21/09/2010 08:46:16 AM 917 Views
Ok...here goes nothing... - 21/09/2010 08:55:57 PM 764 Views
Re: ? is the logical target - 21/09/2010 12:34:10 AM 892 Views
Low posting is anti-town - 20/09/2010 03:42:19 AM 978 Views
Re: Low posting is anti-town - 21/09/2010 01:29:21 AM 771 Views
hmm.. - 19/09/2010 01:18:41 PM 916 Views
Some thoughts... - 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM 821 Views
this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast - 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM 852 Views
guess so. *NM* - 20/09/2010 05:55:38 AM 556 Views
It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 19/09/2010 11:48:35 PM 899 Views
Re: It's new, but it's hard to see the downside - 20/09/2010 05:57:12 AM 908 Views
It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders - 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM 984 Views
Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM 921 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM 892 Views
Lesse, I think I got a minute here. - 20/09/2010 07:56:48 PM 891 Views
EBWOP: Lessee, redo, class. *NM* - 20/09/2010 07:57:09 PM 543 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. - 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM 864 Views
So if I'm understanding this properly... - 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM 871 Views
That is correct. *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM 530 Views
Re: That is correct. - 21/09/2010 02:16:30 AM 943 Views
Same here *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:34:00 AM 528 Views
im still not clear on the key thing. - 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM 886 Views
Okay - 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM 907 Views
It's mostly so someone can't be super-sneaky - 21/09/2010 07:02:55 PM 883 Views
Re: Okay - 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM 861 Views
You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM* - 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM 534 Views
horsefeathers - 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM 843 Views
It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM 544 Views
when does that happen again? tomorrow? *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:03:24 PM 523 Views
As soon as our laggers post *NM* - 21/09/2010 08:07:23 PM 538 Views
I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM 490 Views
Ghost pirate!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! - 21/09/2010 11:48:56 PM 868 Views
I think the only thing a pirate fears ... - 22/09/2010 12:45:38 AM 793 Views
It's easy if you're not British *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:59:06 PM 538 Views
but it's fuuuuuun!!!! *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:23:03 AM 599 Views
on a completely different topic... - 21/09/2010 08:58:35 AM 955 Views
List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table) - 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM 1026 Views
So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM 481 Views
Of course you should, why wouldn't you? *NM* - 21/09/2010 01:57:53 PM 584 Views
The very last person need not code, everyone else needs to - 21/09/2010 02:01:13 PM 829 Views
Oh, I misunderstood. Ok. - 21/09/2010 03:10:33 PM 889 Views
Changed-look down - 21/09/2010 10:53:21 PM 878 Views
A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM 881 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 21/09/2010 08:57:59 PM 902 Views
Re: A couple Questions - 22/09/2010 02:43:21 AM 854 Views
On this whole decryption thing though... - 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM 960 Views
Well.... - 21/09/2010 11:05:57 PM 897 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 08:30:27 AM 1061 Views
Re: Well.... - 22/09/2010 02:19:46 PM 916 Views
Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting? - 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM 865 Views
I think it's ASAP - 22/09/2010 04:07:57 AM 922 Views
Hmm ok. - 22/09/2010 11:30:55 AM 876 Views
We could do it today no? - 22/09/2010 10:57:34 PM 873 Views
Hold on I'm changing my code. - 22/09/2010 01:51:01 AM 846 Views
Wait why does it say and between my codes? - 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM 873 Views
Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:09:17 PM 866 Views
Re: Its just a link to both - 22/09/2010 11:24:07 PM 913 Views
For the record, I will decode both, if requested. - 23/09/2010 04:49:15 AM 919 Views
My previous roleclaim code should be sufficient - 22/09/2010 11:30:12 PM 900 Views
what now? - 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 810 Views
Napoleon needs to roleclaim now - 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM 940 Views
Are you talking about your "ninja shortlist?" - 22/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 890 Views
Arg... REALLY sorry people. - 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM 910 Views
You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM 946 Views
Why is that so suspicious? - 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM 891 Views
It's suspicious because it's not true - 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM 954 Views
PS: ^This is my decryption. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:11:09 AM 518 Views
Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game - 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM 952 Views
Hmmm... - 23/09/2010 11:11:21 PM 917 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 24/09/2010 03:44:02 AM 890 Views
"I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:09:27 AM 933 Views
Re: "I'm roled by not a standard town role" - 24/09/2010 05:41:11 AM 905 Views
I believe I already mentioned that *NM* - 24/09/2010 08:37:01 AM 502 Views
I've been playing this game since the wotmania days - 24/09/2010 02:36:21 AM 1137 Views
To our non-participating friends: - 23/09/2010 05:28:39 AM 918 Views
Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM 910 Views
Re: Everyone can start decrypting now - 23/09/2010 10:33:08 PM 892 Views
Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too - 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM 951 Views
Wow that's good. - 24/09/2010 12:14:48 AM 835 Views
I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM 956 Views
Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine - 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM 894 Views
eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM 792 Views
Re: eh, what the heck - 24/09/2010 03:47:31 AM 722 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* - 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM 411 Views
other factors make me think otherwise - 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM 784 Views
A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 09:42:59 AM 1444 Views
Re: A good bit of analysis - 24/09/2010 02:34:02 PM 867 Views
right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM 946 Views
Re: right, mine - 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM 894 Views
EPWOP - 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM 904 Views
Re: EPWOP - 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM 939 Views
Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM 869 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM 950 Views
Re: Okay, that squares - 24/09/2010 01:30:47 PM 873 Views
fair enough - 24/09/2010 01:58:27 PM 889 Views
Decryption - 25/09/2010 08:00:57 AM 1074 Views
All right - 25/09/2010 02:02:29 PM 815 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:06:00 PM 1005 Views
Re: All right - 25/09/2010 03:35:23 PM 790 Views
I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM 787 Views
Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET - 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM 863 Views
That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 02:55:05 PM 953 Views
Re: That is potentially a huge power - 24/09/2010 03:33:43 PM 898 Views
Role Claim and Action (Table) - All claims in - 24/09/2010 01:32:53 PM 916 Views
While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM 1002 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM 856 Views
EBWOP - 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM 852 Views
It's probably also worth noting - 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM 897 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 12:39:13 AM 929 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting - 26/09/2010 01:10:17 AM 873 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame - 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM 928 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM 967 Views
Eh. The RC's always mess me up - 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM 828 Views
Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM 857 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM 918 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 04:50:08 AM 890 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky - 26/09/2010 05:58:11 AM 852 Views
not to mention... - 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM 891 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 05:03:35 AM 901 Views
Re: not to mention... - 26/09/2010 03:50:09 PM 1117 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM 558 Views
And what's your reason for this? - 26/09/2010 05:50:11 PM 905 Views
When I saw this... - 26/09/2010 10:07:08 PM 847 Views
I'll second this motion. Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 07:13:54 PM 563 Views
Somebody want to hammer? - 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM 917 Views
Unless somebody vote blocked me or something - 26/09/2010 09:06:13 PM 994 Views
nobody admitted to that role, right? - 26/09/2010 09:26:30 PM 920 Views
Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry. *NM* - 26/09/2010 10:19:22 PM 536 Views
<b>Vote: Fox and Ravens</b> - 26/09/2010 09:11:27 PM 861 Views
EBWOP...aww crap. Oh well. *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:11:52 PM 521 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 26/09/2010 09:30:28 PM 536 Views
Fox and Ravens has been lynched. - 26/09/2010 10:42:10 PM 925 Views

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