Because the people you're handing the poison to are scum?
BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 06/09/2010 11:34:21 PM
I think you're missing some key points
We typically threaten to lynch people for producing WIFOMs or claiming vanilla without pressure on day 1. Primarily to prevent people for doing it. If given a WIFOM scenario that has someone as 50/50 of being guilty, on day 1, we kill them, hands down pretty much every single time. It why I actually avoid WIFOMs involving myself whenever possible, in both alignments. Way I see it, why hand someone two glasses, one poisoned? Not a really good tactic. Makes a great delaying maneuver if you're trying to distract them while your sniper lines up a headshot, so to speak, otherwise no, never flip an unloaded coin if you don't have to. We also have a very strong 'you lie, you die' policy, which is one of the reasons I virtually never lie about anything beside my alignment if I can possibly avoid it. When you suggest we might be in an all vanilla game, I for one view that as an open admission of vanilla-dom while trying to technically avoid actually saying it, and worse, bringing up the option that might encourage others to claim vanilla too.
We typically threaten to lynch people for producing WIFOMs or claiming vanilla without pressure on day 1. Primarily to prevent people for doing it. If given a WIFOM scenario that has someone as 50/50 of being guilty, on day 1, we kill them, hands down pretty much every single time. It why I actually avoid WIFOMs involving myself whenever possible, in both alignments. Way I see it, why hand someone two glasses, one poisoned? Not a really good tactic. Makes a great delaying maneuver if you're trying to distract them while your sniper lines up a headshot, so to speak, otherwise no, never flip an unloaded coin if you don't have to. We also have a very strong 'you lie, you die' policy, which is one of the reasons I virtually never lie about anything beside my alignment if I can possibly avoid it. When you suggest we might be in an all vanilla game, I for one view that as an open admission of vanilla-dom while trying to technically avoid actually saying it, and worse, bringing up the option that might encourage others to claim vanilla too.
As I said, townies would still go about their business as usual. Besides, the point was made based only the info F-T gave in the opening post, not on any personal role info, so (and I can't speak for everyone) I was not making a claim either way on my status of being roled. Let me go back and check my posts... here they are:
Isaac:
We should probably consider what the no role reveal might indicate, because I doubt FT did that just for amusement, thoughts?
We should probably consider what the no role reveal might indicate, because I doubt FT did that just for amusement, thoughts?
Well, theoretically, it could also indicate that it is just townies vs. mafia goons. It would be a good way for the mod to hide that.
I added the bolding in my part for emphasis. As I mentioned in the previous post, it was a theoretical idea based on info F-T made publicly available. Theoretically = not based on any present role/alignment info.
We should probably consider what the no role reveal might indicate, because I doubt FT did that just for amusement, thoughts?
Well, theoretically, it could also indicate that it is just townies vs. mafia goons. It would be a good way for the mod to hide that.
to mafiascum wiki. Note that we have 12 players here in this game.
Just a follow-up link to mafiascum wiki
Darth_Katie
It's possible, but I find it unlikely. Gher's robot game was the slightly more extreme "Inadvertent Mountainous," and I don't think FT would do something similar this soon.
It's possible, but I find it unlikely. Gher's robot game was the slightly more extreme "Inadvertent Mountainous," and I don't think FT would do something similar this soon.
Yeah maybe not then, but it is a possibility. The townies wouldn't know if they are in one or not, but the mafia probably would (based on their roles).
Again, no claims, nothing. The latter comment is based off of info in the mafia scum wiki about the role(less) distribution in a mountainous setup.
I'm not really sure why anyone would conclude I or Darth_Katie claimed we were definitely vanilla based just off of that exchange.
If there are other posts I'm missing, do let me know.
RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 1: Pirates versus Ninjas
28/08/2010 03:58:14 AM
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Voting Record
28/08/2010 03:58:46 AM
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Incidentally...
31/08/2010 01:58:55 AM
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I do, in fact
31/08/2010 02:16:25 AM
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Yes, that might make more sense
31/08/2010 02:22:07 AM
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No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:31:39 AM
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Re: No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:33:48 AM
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Yeah I thought that was pretty funny
31/08/2010 02:37:43 AM
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Arrr, Vote ?
28/08/2010 05:34:48 AM
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Yarr, I hear ya, matey
28/08/2010 06:00:15 AM
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He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:20 PM
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Arr pirates don't ask questions!
28/08/2010 09:12:10 PM
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what about rhetorical questions?
28/08/2010 09:54:08 PM
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He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:25 PM
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Okay
28/08/2010 06:03:54 AM
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Yes, Pirate = town, Ninja = Mafia.
28/08/2010 06:09:16 AM
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What, we're not all using pirate speech for this game?
28/08/2010 06:13:09 AM
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Argh ye matey... or something, no I'll pass for now
28/08/2010 06:33:35 AM
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umm, yo ho?
28/08/2010 10:25:19 AM
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... and a bottle of rum
28/08/2010 11:53:39 AM
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I don't really like this claim five roles thing.
28/08/2010 09:54:10 PM
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Not overjoyed at it either to be honest
28/08/2010 10:20:49 PM
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After thinking it over, I don't like it either
28/08/2010 11:15:41 PM
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I agree.
28/08/2010 11:27:53 PM
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Re: I agree.
29/08/2010 12:10:36 AM
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I don't think it will be fruitful, to be completely honest
29/08/2010 12:25:02 AM
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Well, not spam per se, but certainly give their opinions at least. *NM*
29/08/2010 12:29:54 AM
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yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 10:34:25 AM
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Re: yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 05:43:10 PM
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I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 06:01:48 PM
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Re: I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 07:05:25 PM
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I think any millers should just claim now
29/08/2010 09:46:47 PM
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Not sure
29/08/2010 10:43:46 PM
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I think it would help if they did
29/08/2010 10:53:25 PM
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Maybe
29/08/2010 11:08:36 PM
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That format for mass roleclaiming won't work
30/08/2010 01:15:11 AM
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We can go into later
30/08/2010 02:20:12 AM
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Has anyone actually claimed vanilla?
30/08/2010 09:56:15 AM
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a question.
30/08/2010 12:25:48 PM
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By the way...
29/08/2010 11:19:33 PM
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No ninjas were mentioned in your RM? Interesting. *NM*
28/08/2010 06:44:38 AM
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Nope, I take they were in yours? Anything useful? *NM*
28/08/2010 07:01:54 AM
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Hmm, maybe, but too early to say just yet. *NM*
28/08/2010 10:54:59 PM
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Just to clarify, that "maybe" applies to both parts of your question. *NM*
29/08/2010 06:13:15 PM
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Re: Okay
28/08/2010 10:53:23 PM
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Ah, here is a link
28/08/2010 10:57:48 PM
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I don't really think we're in one of those
28/08/2010 11:03:20 PM
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Yeah, maybe not then
29/08/2010 12:17:40 AM
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How would the mafia know?
29/08/2010 03:54:46 AM
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My RM didn't say anything about ninjas...
29/08/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Day 1 EVENT: Treasure Hunt
30/08/2010 08:16:27 AM
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How many votes do we have and how many people will be selected? *NM*
30/08/2010 09:28:32 AM
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Hmm... Treasure Vote: ?
30/08/2010 03:21:36 PM
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I thought that was a question at first.
30/08/2010 05:39:37 PM
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I would be willing to vote myself but why do you want to get rid of me? *NM*
31/08/2010 02:46:37 AM
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I'd like to hear a bit more of an explanation about this
31/08/2010 02:49:13 AM
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Yeah I kind of skipped over that part...
31/08/2010 04:01:31 AM
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I can't see that being the case though
31/08/2010 04:28:01 AM
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I have a feeling
31/08/2010 04:40:44 AM
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It's a real possibility
31/08/2010 04:53:23 AM
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23 - Treasure Vote: Yunalesca
31/08/2010 04:55:47 AM
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I think the Treasure Vote should go to.....
31/08/2010 05:46:59 AM
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Do you really mean that?
31/08/2010 05:55:12 AM
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Huh?
31/08/2010 06:10:56 AM
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We aren't going to get anywhere if we all vote for ourselves...
31/08/2010 04:12:05 AM
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The hunt party will go forth whether you use your vote or not
31/08/2010 04:18:52 AM
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There certainly isn't a guarantee that it is good, and whilst it is not the end of the world if a n
31/08/2010 04:43:25 AM
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Well
31/08/2010 06:02:59 AM
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Since Tvoting myself is obviously not helpful...
31/08/2010 10:00:49 AM
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Ok...sorry about my absence for well...all the game so far
30/08/2010 07:03:56 PM
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Not voting will just delay the event
31/08/2010 04:23:42 AM
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Agreed, best everyone vote and get it over with
01/09/2010 02:59:27 AM
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Does it really matter who goes?
01/09/2010 03:05:24 AM
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Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:28:49 AM
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Re: Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:50:07 AM
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Sure. What do you suggest we do with it? *NM*
01/09/2010 03:53:57 AM
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Re: Sure. What do you suggest we do with it?
01/09/2010 03:13:30 PM
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Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 06:21:06 PM
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Re: Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 07:14:05 PM
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to avoid a posting slump?
01/09/2010 08:54:18 PM
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I think it means "Verified Townie"
01/09/2010 09:07:31 PM
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It actually means vanilla townie (at least that's how we've been using it)
01/09/2010 10:44:42 PM
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Why should we give it to a Vanilla Townie?
02/09/2010 12:47:35 AM
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Well if we find out someone is a vt then why would we not give him the role?
02/09/2010 12:59:50 AM
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What role? *NM*
02/09/2010 01:02:04 AM
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The role, as in the job to go on the treasure hunt. *NM*
02/09/2010 02:30:01 AM
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F-T said that the Treasure Hunt would be resolved before the end of the day
02/09/2010 02:39:44 AM
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Oh, and also!
02/09/2010 02:44:54 AM
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But that's not really a role since there is no guarantee it comes with any powers or abilities *NM*
02/09/2010 03:49:13 AM
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Lets watch that Horizontal Scroll, also...
02/09/2010 03:37:54 AM
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And apparently the vertical scroll as well
02/09/2010 03:53:13 AM
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I'm inclined to ask FT to copy the effected messages and delete them
02/09/2010 04:52:24 AM
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It could have been a slip
02/09/2010 05:13:16 AM
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HAS NO ONE READ MY CLARIFICATION?
02/09/2010 03:24:25 PM
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It really does not help you.
02/09/2010 10:12:43 PM
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Vote: Darth_Katie
02/09/2010 03:58:35 AM
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Just to clarify, I was referring to Treasure Hunt votes, not lynch *NM*
02/09/2010 05:00:34 AM
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Treasure vote: Isaac
02/09/2010 05:51:31 AM
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An irrelevant vote is probably better than no vote.
02/09/2010 06:08:00 AM
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The top 3 vote-getters will be going, I think
02/09/2010 07:26:28 AM
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I think that just means that up to 3 votes will be counted. *NM*
02/09/2010 01:39:26 PM
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"People" implies plural, but we can ask FT... casts Summon Mod
02/09/2010 03:44:21 PM
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Off to get the treasure.
03/09/2010 12:19:34 AM
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Can they still participate in convo even though they were voted off the island...errr ship? *NM*
03/09/2010 05:40:28 AM
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Probably worth checking
03/09/2010 05:59:32 AM
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Samesies.
04/09/2010 07:48:53 AM
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Well, now that that's done...
03/09/2010 07:49:47 AM
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I love random voting
03/09/2010 06:36:11 PM
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Event: Wrath of Mod
03/09/2010 09:49:24 PM
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OK! Posting slump
06/09/2010 12:38:39 PM
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i think thats what everyone is waiting for.
06/09/2010 01:03:52 PM
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Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:20:09 PM
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Re: Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:29:17 PM
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But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:37:22 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:43:53 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 05:23:56 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 06:21:40 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 08:12:27 PM
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I think it depends on if you assume it is appropriate for Townies to lie or not.
06/09/2010 09:21:03 PM
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terminology question...
07/09/2010 07:16:21 AM
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"Finger of Suspicion"
07/09/2010 07:41:20 AM
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ah, thanks. and since you seem to be around...
07/09/2010 07:53:41 AM
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Because it makes perfect sense to do so
06/09/2010 06:12:13 PM
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One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 06:38:22 PM
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Re: One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 07:32:54 PM
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There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 08:07:52 PM
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Re: There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 09:33:41 PM
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No, typically townies get lynched trying to WIFOM
06/09/2010 09:43:01 PM
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Because the people you're handing the poison to are scum?
06/09/2010 11:34:21 PM
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Also: Yes, but
06/09/2010 08:15:22 PM
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Yeah, he was
06/09/2010 08:58:19 PM
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I guess no one likes listening to me. *NM*
06/09/2010 09:18:10 PM
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Does Isaac really get made scum by the mods more than others? *NM*
07/09/2010 07:08:15 AM
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Most, hopefully all, mods assign roles and alignment randomly, and I've been town mostly
07/09/2010 02:14:58 PM
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so when you're a DF, games tend to sun longer? Hmm.... *is teasing* *NM*
08/09/2010 06:01:14 AM
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Quick summary of my thoughts
07/09/2010 05:58:50 AM
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An even quicker one.
07/09/2010 07:50:20 AM
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Hm... not too much to go on. I think we should lynch BlackAdder, to be honest.
07/09/2010 09:10:53 PM
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I am wary of this logic
07/09/2010 09:17:14 PM
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I think it's a minor Day 1 slip that we should seize upon
08/09/2010 02:41:49 AM
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Your argument is that if my RM mentions ninjas, then I must be a ninja
08/09/2010 06:06:58 AM
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Partially yes
08/09/2010 03:15:00 PM
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Whoa. An all-cop game would be pretty cool.
08/09/2010 06:57:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure they exist, from what I've read on Mafiascum.
08/09/2010 10:01:01 PM
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Oh, no I didn't.
09/09/2010 12:15:37 AM
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Re: Partially yes
08/09/2010 10:25:29 PM
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I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 12:19:02 AM
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Re: I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 04:01:40 AM
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Your statements here are contradictory
09/09/2010 05:26:17 AM
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I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 03:31:57 AM
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Re: I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 04:21:58 AM
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Ninja RM Mention (Table)
08/09/2010 10:08:04 PM
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And as a separate query...
09/09/2010 04:34:36 AM
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answer.
09/09/2010 09:41:23 AM
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I think it was when I said there were no ninjas in my RM, right before I went RBIRL
09/09/2010 03:42:02 PM
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yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 08:20:15 AM
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Re: yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 03:36:04 PM
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Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:11:42 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:27:39 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 09:17:41 PM
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wow, Yanks have lots of days off...
13/09/2010 12:01:45 AM
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We had class on Labor Day ... what a rip off *NM*
13/09/2010 12:55:37 AM
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Not at all, students should be happy
13/09/2010 01:03:52 AM
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People who would cheer at the opportunity to shop are alien beyond my comprehension.
13/09/2010 02:35:45 AM
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No, just a lot of holidays
13/09/2010 12:56:22 AM
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ok!
13/09/2010 01:02:30 AM
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Re: ok!
13/09/2010 01:16:23 AM
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What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:46:09 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:50:52 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 02:13:58 AM
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Who's going to hammer? *NM*
13/09/2010 12:24:49 AM
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I guess I will
13/09/2010 01:41:37 AM
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