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Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM
Haven't missed too much, as far as I can see. As will surprise absolutely nobody, I oppose this massclaiming suggestion. While I do, exceptionally, see some worth in roleclaims this game, it'll do as well with individual under pressure claim as with mass roleclaim. Maybe even better.

Anyway, a look at the remaining players:

Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.

Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.

Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.

Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.

Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.

White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?

I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.

Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.

Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:

Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin

White Flame of Tar Valon

Napoleon62

Darth_Katie

Fox and Ravens

Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca

Darth_Katie and the Chair

Fox and Ravens

White Flame of Tar Valon

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Fanatic-Templar

White Flame of Tar Valon

Fox and Ravens

Darth_Katie

Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
At last, I have an apostrophe!

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Too stubborn to remove that extraneous *MySmiley*

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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:39:09 PM 2179 Views
Vote Table - 17/07/2010 09:40:41 PM 1041 Views
Napoleon isn't inactive? - 18/07/2010 04:21:24 AM 856 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:50:09 PM 1017 Views
Hypocop Table - 17/07/2010 09:52:26 PM 958 Views
I found DK to be guilty *NM* - 17/07/2010 09:52:45 PM 674 Views
I found Kronin al'Sulc to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:22:34 AM 534 Views
Kylia - Dirty *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:35:04 AM 619 Views
BlackAdder - innocent *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:45:20 AM 722 Views
I found White Flame to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:26:30 AM 520 Views
Don't care if I'm dead- I TOTALLY called Talic. - 18/07/2010 01:55:01 AM 985 Views
Maybe you'll be able to replace... someone - 18/07/2010 02:45:53 AM 969 Views
Nah, Watcher gives me extra info... - 18/07/2010 04:10:10 AM 820 Views
That was the first thing I noticed, too . *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:23:30 AM 652 Views
Hahaha. yes. You did call that one very well. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:34:22 AM 549 Views
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Way to be! *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:43:41 AM 635 Views
Wow.... great call. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:25:53 AM 498 Views
Yeah I call shenanigans; also the Langoliers need to stop eating all the scum >.< *NM* - 18/07/2010 12:37:25 PM 827 Views
*resurrects* - 22/07/2010 01:03:01 AM 917 Views
so what are we doing today? - 18/07/2010 09:21:49 PM 834 Views
Alrighty, what are we going to do now? - 18/07/2010 09:31:44 PM 1075 Views
Faction, not fraction. - 18/07/2010 09:59:12 PM 1066 Views
Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 19/07/2010 09:38:55 PM 914 Views
Re: Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 20/07/2010 05:11:24 AM 1017 Views
I meant that there's a possibility he was bluffing. - 20/07/2010 01:05:48 PM 1016 Views
Understandable now that you explained yourself...but it still irks me. *NM* - 21/07/2010 05:52:30 AM 468 Views
Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 05:05:53 AM 919 Views
Re: Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 08:53:09 AM 982 Views
As much as I love the word "moot" - 19/07/2010 09:35:00 PM 975 Views
RBIRL - 21/07/2010 06:15:35 PM 907 Views
what now? - 22/07/2010 02:25:48 AM 925 Views
I agree - 22/07/2010 05:21:39 AM 1049 Views
Okay, first of all - 23/07/2010 07:50:23 AM 899 Views
In theory it is necessary to actually post to properly play the game - 23/07/2010 12:00:08 AM 822 Views
i think everyone lost their zeal when the primary poster died - 23/07/2010 12:24:32 AM 947 Views
LOL, DK's still alive - 23/07/2010 12:53:21 AM 971 Views
VICTORY IS MINE!!!!! - 23/07/2010 01:03:03 AM 990 Views
Whoa, go me! - 23/07/2010 03:46:59 AM 953 Views
Sorry - 23/07/2010 12:31:46 AM 912 Views
Maybe we should mass claim? - 23/07/2010 01:11:50 AM 929 Views
Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 03:58:14 AM 849 Views
Re: Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 04:45:03 AM 908 Views
Shrugs. - 23/07/2010 07:21:51 AM 1001 Views
disagree - 23/07/2010 10:03:48 AM 905 Views
Alright. - 23/07/2010 03:03:16 PM 956 Views
Re: Alright. - 23/07/2010 07:52:18 PM 920 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been elected Chair. *NM* - 23/07/2010 11:04:21 AM 613 Views
Okay so... - 24/07/2010 04:58:31 AM 830 Views
Re: Okay so... - 24/07/2010 03:47:58 PM 954 Views
Yeah, sounds like it. - 24/07/2010 03:51:46 PM 872 Views
I think so too... - 24/07/2010 05:34:24 PM 891 Views
I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 07:48:38 PM 880 Views
Re: I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 10:37:31 PM 914 Views
Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 24/07/2010 10:43:27 PM 843 Views
Re: Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 25/07/2010 12:50:44 AM 807 Views
True. - 25/07/2010 06:16:18 AM 834 Views
Yuna was your own doing. - 25/07/2010 06:27:33 AM 761 Views
Did you have a say about whether or not to go in or was it decided by the mod? *NM* - 25/07/2010 05:10:28 AM 581 Views
Mod decided. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:39:32 AM 532 Views
So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM 918 Views
Re: massclaiming - 25/07/2010 06:22:37 AM 922 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 06:38:51 AM 822 Views
Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:08:26 AM 851 Views
Re: Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:21:07 AM 859 Views
And you still didn't support lynching her then, is my point. - 25/07/2010 06:10:32 PM 796 Views
Well, since I haven't taken part in a single vote thus far,can you really hold that against me? *NM* - 27/07/2010 09:28:14 AM 550 Views
Yes. *NM* - 27/07/2010 01:04:10 PM 590 Views
*NM* - 28/07/2010 11:24:37 PM 565 Views
Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM 560 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 01:51:27 PM 910 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 03:27:14 PM 947 Views
yep, thanks - 25/07/2010 07:31:44 PM 843 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 01:50:54 PM 861 Views
I don't have a problem claiming. - 25/07/2010 05:34:38 PM 889 Views
what? - 25/07/2010 05:54:56 PM 753 Views
That would actually be dead character knowledge, I think. - 25/07/2010 06:13:15 PM 837 Views
i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 06:33:24 PM 674 Views
Just shush about it, hope you don't get modkilled. - 25/07/2010 07:32:56 PM 760 Views
I will if Ranagrande asks me to. - 26/07/2010 02:23:18 AM 689 Views
Yea, that was as much a message to you as a reminder to him. - 26/07/2010 02:25:56 AM 891 Views
It's all good - 26/07/2010 03:49:35 AM 844 Views
Re: i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 07:33:40 PM 905 Views
Yeah, but you could have been lying. - 26/07/2010 02:22:37 AM 890 Views
I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 12:48:57 AM 914 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 02:15:31 AM 874 Views
One detail... - 29/07/2010 02:43:45 AM 850 Views
Re: One detail... - 29/07/2010 03:14:38 AM 940 Views
This is one of the reasons I like my laptop ... - 29/07/2010 03:20:50 AM 994 Views
Theoretically - 29/07/2010 03:22:35 AM 924 Views
Generally speaking, yes. - 29/07/2010 07:46:34 PM 852 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 04:40:55 AM 989 Views
I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:43:44 AM 911 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:56:21 AM 834 Views
- 29/07/2010 02:36:49 PM 835 Views
Except Yesterday? - 29/07/2010 06:31:22 PM 767 Views
*nods* - 29/07/2010 08:11:35 PM 779 Views
Re: *nods* - 30/07/2010 03:38:36 AM 828 Views
Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 03:45:25 AM 877 Views
Re: Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 04:51:56 AM 793 Views
Doesn't matter what she claimed to be. - 30/07/2010 04:08:55 PM 974 Views
TBF, my char is dead now, so shut up about it *NM* - 30/07/2010 05:15:25 PM 600 Views
No offense to you. - 30/07/2010 09:45:21 PM 903 Views
Re: No offense to you. - 31/07/2010 12:12:59 AM 954 Views
Shh. I get confused a lot. - 31/07/2010 05:25:37 AM 906 Views
Sorry, Yuna, but it is kinda necessary. *NM* - 31/07/2010 12:10:05 AM 516 Views
The truth she claimed was to have lied . - 30/07/2010 07:25:02 PM 796 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 05:40:48 AM 919 Views
RBIRL thurs-sunday - 29/07/2010 02:17:59 PM 731 Views
The character formerly played by Napoleon62 now belongs to BlackAdder. *NM* - 01/08/2010 04:14:38 AM 483 Views
Sweet life friends. *NM* - 01/08/2010 07:31:38 AM 499 Views
I'm here, will hopefully make a real post soon *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:37:15 AM 508 Views
So...one of you guys who found my analysis of DK suspicious... - 01/08/2010 07:59:33 AM 849 Views
Since I am currently cursed with insomnia, I think I will give it a try. - 01/08/2010 10:24:09 AM 917 Views
Well it was kinda the idea to vote her out the second time... - 04/08/2010 03:01:38 AM 966 Views
Heh. Divya was not meant to kill. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:22:13 AM 424 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 04/08/2010 07:59:15 PM 534 Views
The character info compilation, which surprisingly hasn't been reposted - 02/08/2010 01:05:26 AM 1047 Views
Hmm. I'll actually have to correct this. - 02/08/2010 03:17:39 AM 918 Views
lol - 02/08/2010 11:47:42 AM 939 Views
OK, time to look at a few things - 02/08/2010 03:58:41 AM 910 Views
A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 02:24:55 PM 877 Views
Re: A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 04:32:08 PM 782 Views
Not quite anyone. - 03/08/2010 03:23:59 AM 702 Views
A simple torch can't fry a person completely to ashes *NM* - 02/08/2010 10:31:05 PM 856 Views
But killing them then putting them over a fire would. - 03/08/2010 03:23:25 AM 731 Views
I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 03:58:54 AM 759 Views
Re: I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 05:08:21 PM 888 Views
Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 03/08/2010 07:23:46 PM 905 Views
Re: Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 04/08/2010 02:49:50 PM 871 Views
its a song of ice and fire - 04/08/2010 04:34:19 PM 936 Views
Re: its a song of ice and fire - 05/08/2010 01:08:47 AM 897 Views
yeah but Wheeler was a jerk. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:09:04 AM 557 Views
You should read more carefully. - 06/08/2010 04:13:45 AM 859 Views
Hrmm. All this dropping out is killing our game. - 06/08/2010 05:11:41 AM 742 Views
Re: Hrmm. All this faffing is killing the game - 06/08/2010 09:06:23 AM 877 Views
Faff faff faff - 06/08/2010 02:21:37 PM 874 Views
yeah, once was enough for me. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:03:25 AM 610 Views
So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 06:37:22 AM 838 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 04:49:16 PM 897 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 05:55:27 PM 1158 Views
I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 06:33:30 PM 845 Views
Re: I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 10:02:12 PM 870 Views
So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 12:34:37 AM 823 Views
Re: So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 03:32:13 AM 842 Views
hey ho, summats happening - 06/08/2010 11:05:34 PM 947 Views
Uh, I think you just lynched her - 07/08/2010 03:59:19 AM 785 Views
EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 04:01:54 AM 961 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 06:37:10 AM 976 Views
EBWOP - 07/08/2010 06:39:48 AM 909 Views
FT has the Chair vote, so it is L-1 *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:59:22 AM 590 Views
Ahh Gotcha. Forgot about that. Thanks. *NM* - 07/08/2010 05:09:28 PM 471 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 779 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 10:30:05 AM 855 Views
She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 03:54:09 AM 932 Views
Re: She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 05:18:58 AM 759 Views
Hmph, I thought it would be obvious. - 07/08/2010 03:27:15 PM 822 Views
That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 03:35:01 PM 845 Views
Re: That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 05:12:30 PM 918 Views
Also, the roadrunner hurts the coyote quite a bit. - 07/08/2010 05:13:56 PM 872 Views
True, but - 07/08/2010 05:29:31 PM 840 Views
Hey, all he wants is a meal! - 07/08/2010 06:20:19 PM 726 Views
Yea, but only with the traps Wil E set. *NM* - 07/08/2010 07:02:27 PM 411 Views
Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 06:21:17 PM 788 Views
I think you can stop with the voting now. You've done what you wanted and it worked. - 07/08/2010 06:44:29 PM 897 Views
Meh, I made a promise. - 07/08/2010 07:52:17 PM 801 Views
Re: Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 07:00:36 PM 934 Views
Or she could have investigated him. Just laying out all the options. - 07/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 813 Views
That or White Flame is lying now. - 07/08/2010 07:55:00 PM 790 Views
Deal. *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:00:40 PM 380 Views
He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:17:51 PM 868 Views
Re: He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:31:20 PM 838 Views
In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:32:55 PM 918 Views
Re: In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:35:07 PM 923 Views
eh, I guess that makes sense - 07/08/2010 09:44:50 PM 753 Views
Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:42:29 AM 867 Views
I agree...what? *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:31:04 AM 371 Views
You scammed some retard out of a Phione *NM* - 07/08/2010 04:45:22 PM 739 Views
Nah, the retard willingly gave it to me. Even better *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:58:45 PM 604 Views
Re: Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:12:04 PM 876 Views
What's to comment on, really? - 07/08/2010 06:59:10 PM 936 Views
Also, did you get the chance to do a Night Action last night? - 07/08/2010 07:01:49 PM 919 Views
I jumped too quickly. If it's not too late - Unvote *NM* - 08/08/2010 03:06:35 AM 577 Views
I think it's too late - 08/08/2010 06:43:30 AM 773 Views
Well, we'll find out soon enough I suppose. - 08/08/2010 03:16:07 PM 719 Views
Well, if you didn't lie, you should be alright anyway. *NM* - 08/08/2010 05:15:32 PM 437 Views
Taking one for the team, right? - 08/08/2010 06:28:37 PM 797 Views
EBWOP: someone needs to page ranagrande, too *NM* - 08/08/2010 06:29:46 PM 468 Views
*sschtz* Paging Dr. Ranagrande ... you're wanted in surgery *scchtxz* - 09/08/2010 02:47:15 AM 791 Views
Righto, on my way! *NM* - 09/08/2010 03:02:14 AM 558 Views
Darth_Katie has been lynched - 09/08/2010 03:07:32 AM 957 Views
I believe we are past 125 hours -- any update on when this will start back up? *NM* - 13/08/2010 06:39:40 AM 582 Views
So, do we assume Ranagrande has vanished and just move on to the next game? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:05:27 PM 457 Views
Are we allowed to sub the mod? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:21:28 PM 579 Views
It is possible - 15/08/2010 12:41:27 AM 838 Views
Give it another day, stalemate isn't preferable - 14/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 864 Views
Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:06:44 PM 905 Views
Re: Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:30:15 PM 888 Views
go post in the RP then - 14/08/2010 09:42:55 PM 854 Views
You are aware I am dead there too? - 14/08/2010 09:45:49 PM 698 Views
*swears into a paper bag* - 14/08/2010 09:49:55 PM 813 Views
I would be willing to try a replacement mod idea before calling it quits - 15/08/2010 12:48:50 AM 869 Views
While you're waiting, I've posted a draft of the rules update - 15/08/2010 01:23:21 AM 937 Views
*reads rules* - 15/08/2010 04:24:41 AM 1008 Views
Yeah, that's great. - 15/08/2010 06:41:43 AM 897 Views
I'm back. - 16/08/2010 09:16:54 PM 876 Views
Good to see - hope everything is OK *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:50:21 PM 504 Views

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