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Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM
Haven't missed too much, as far as I can see. As will surprise absolutely nobody, I oppose this massclaiming suggestion. While I do, exceptionally, see some worth in roleclaims this game, it'll do as well with individual under pressure claim as with mass roleclaim. Maybe even better.

Anyway, a look at the remaining players:

Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.

Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.

Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.

Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.

Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.

White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?

I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.

Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.

Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:

Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin

White Flame of Tar Valon

Napoleon62

Darth_Katie

Fox and Ravens

Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca

Darth_Katie and the Chair

Fox and Ravens

White Flame of Tar Valon

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Fanatic-Templar

White Flame of Tar Valon

Fox and Ravens

Darth_Katie

Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
At last, I have an apostrophe!

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Too stubborn to remove that extraneous *MySmiley*

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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:39:09 PM 2268 Views
Vote Table - 17/07/2010 09:40:41 PM 1118 Views
Napoleon isn't inactive? - 18/07/2010 04:21:24 AM 931 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:50:09 PM 1093 Views
Hypocop Table - 17/07/2010 09:52:26 PM 1034 Views
I found DK to be guilty *NM* - 17/07/2010 09:52:45 PM 711 Views
I found Kronin al'Sulc to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:22:34 AM 572 Views
Kylia - Dirty *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:35:04 AM 663 Views
BlackAdder - innocent *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:45:20 AM 759 Views
I found White Flame to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:26:30 AM 556 Views
Don't care if I'm dead- I TOTALLY called Talic. - 18/07/2010 01:55:01 AM 1062 Views
Maybe you'll be able to replace... someone - 18/07/2010 02:45:53 AM 1041 Views
Nah, Watcher gives me extra info... - 18/07/2010 04:10:10 AM 902 Views
That was the first thing I noticed, too . *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:23:30 AM 686 Views
Hahaha. yes. You did call that one very well. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:34:22 AM 577 Views
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Way to be! *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:43:41 AM 679 Views
Wow.... great call. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:25:53 AM 533 Views
Yeah I call shenanigans; also the Langoliers need to stop eating all the scum >.< *NM* - 18/07/2010 12:37:25 PM 864 Views
*resurrects* - 22/07/2010 01:03:01 AM 985 Views
so what are we doing today? - 18/07/2010 09:21:49 PM 909 Views
Alrighty, what are we going to do now? - 18/07/2010 09:31:44 PM 1170 Views
Faction, not fraction. - 18/07/2010 09:59:12 PM 1153 Views
Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 19/07/2010 09:38:55 PM 988 Views
Re: Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 20/07/2010 05:11:24 AM 1092 Views
I meant that there's a possibility he was bluffing. - 20/07/2010 01:05:48 PM 1088 Views
Understandable now that you explained yourself...but it still irks me. *NM* - 21/07/2010 05:52:30 AM 501 Views
Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 05:05:53 AM 996 Views
Re: Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 08:53:09 AM 1060 Views
As much as I love the word "moot" - 19/07/2010 09:35:00 PM 1049 Views
RBIRL - 21/07/2010 06:15:35 PM 980 Views
what now? - 22/07/2010 02:25:48 AM 1016 Views
I agree - 22/07/2010 05:21:39 AM 1123 Views
Okay, first of all - 23/07/2010 07:50:23 AM 971 Views
In theory it is necessary to actually post to properly play the game - 23/07/2010 12:00:08 AM 908 Views
i think everyone lost their zeal when the primary poster died - 23/07/2010 12:24:32 AM 1027 Views
LOL, DK's still alive - 23/07/2010 12:53:21 AM 1061 Views
VICTORY IS MINE!!!!! - 23/07/2010 01:03:03 AM 1082 Views
Whoa, go me! - 23/07/2010 03:46:59 AM 1032 Views
Sorry - 23/07/2010 12:31:46 AM 993 Views
Maybe we should mass claim? - 23/07/2010 01:11:50 AM 1015 Views
Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 03:58:14 AM 938 Views
Re: Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 04:45:03 AM 995 Views
Shrugs. - 23/07/2010 07:21:51 AM 1085 Views
disagree - 23/07/2010 10:03:48 AM 981 Views
Alright. - 23/07/2010 03:03:16 PM 1025 Views
Re: Alright. - 23/07/2010 07:52:18 PM 1000 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been elected Chair. *NM* - 23/07/2010 11:04:21 AM 655 Views
Okay so... - 24/07/2010 04:58:31 AM 900 Views
Re: Okay so... - 24/07/2010 03:47:58 PM 1030 Views
Yeah, sounds like it. - 24/07/2010 03:51:46 PM 946 Views
I think so too... - 24/07/2010 05:34:24 PM 974 Views
I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 07:48:38 PM 957 Views
Re: I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 10:37:31 PM 987 Views
Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 24/07/2010 10:43:27 PM 920 Views
Re: Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 25/07/2010 12:50:44 AM 886 Views
True. - 25/07/2010 06:16:18 AM 906 Views
Yuna was your own doing. - 25/07/2010 06:27:33 AM 838 Views
Did you have a say about whether or not to go in or was it decided by the mod? *NM* - 25/07/2010 05:10:28 AM 611 Views
Mod decided. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:39:32 AM 567 Views
So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM 968 Views
Re: massclaiming - 25/07/2010 06:22:37 AM 998 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 06:38:51 AM 890 Views
Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:08:26 AM 923 Views
Re: Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:21:07 AM 932 Views
And you still didn't support lynching her then, is my point. - 25/07/2010 06:10:32 PM 862 Views
Well, since I haven't taken part in a single vote thus far,can you really hold that against me? *NM* - 27/07/2010 09:28:14 AM 587 Views
Yes. *NM* - 27/07/2010 01:04:10 PM 629 Views
*NM* - 28/07/2010 11:24:37 PM 599 Views
Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM 593 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 01:51:27 PM 987 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 03:27:14 PM 1020 Views
yep, thanks - 25/07/2010 07:31:44 PM 906 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 01:50:54 PM 943 Views
I don't have a problem claiming. - 25/07/2010 05:34:38 PM 975 Views
what? - 25/07/2010 05:54:56 PM 831 Views
That would actually be dead character knowledge, I think. - 25/07/2010 06:13:15 PM 915 Views
i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 06:33:24 PM 752 Views
Just shush about it, hope you don't get modkilled. - 25/07/2010 07:32:56 PM 838 Views
I will if Ranagrande asks me to. - 26/07/2010 02:23:18 AM 767 Views
Yea, that was as much a message to you as a reminder to him. - 26/07/2010 02:25:56 AM 977 Views
It's all good - 26/07/2010 03:49:35 AM 919 Views
Re: i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 07:33:40 PM 986 Views
Yeah, but you could have been lying. - 26/07/2010 02:22:37 AM 973 Views
I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 12:48:57 AM 987 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 02:15:31 AM 962 Views
One detail... - 29/07/2010 02:43:45 AM 929 Views
Re: One detail... - 29/07/2010 03:14:38 AM 1019 Views
This is one of the reasons I like my laptop ... - 29/07/2010 03:20:50 AM 1067 Views
Theoretically - 29/07/2010 03:22:35 AM 998 Views
Generally speaking, yes. - 29/07/2010 07:46:34 PM 931 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 04:40:55 AM 1073 Views
I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:43:44 AM 1003 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:56:21 AM 914 Views
- 29/07/2010 02:36:49 PM 914 Views
Except Yesterday? - 29/07/2010 06:31:22 PM 845 Views
*nods* - 29/07/2010 08:11:35 PM 850 Views
Re: *nods* - 30/07/2010 03:38:36 AM 900 Views
Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 03:45:25 AM 955 Views
Re: Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 04:51:56 AM 871 Views
Doesn't matter what she claimed to be. - 30/07/2010 04:08:55 PM 1047 Views
TBF, my char is dead now, so shut up about it *NM* - 30/07/2010 05:15:25 PM 640 Views
No offense to you. - 30/07/2010 09:45:21 PM 996 Views
Re: No offense to you. - 31/07/2010 12:12:59 AM 1033 Views
Shh. I get confused a lot. - 31/07/2010 05:25:37 AM 984 Views
Sorry, Yuna, but it is kinda necessary. *NM* - 31/07/2010 12:10:05 AM 554 Views
The truth she claimed was to have lied . - 30/07/2010 07:25:02 PM 870 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 05:40:48 AM 1012 Views
RBIRL thurs-sunday - 29/07/2010 02:17:59 PM 822 Views
The character formerly played by Napoleon62 now belongs to BlackAdder. *NM* - 01/08/2010 04:14:38 AM 518 Views
Sweet life friends. *NM* - 01/08/2010 07:31:38 AM 529 Views
I'm here, will hopefully make a real post soon *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:37:15 AM 545 Views
So...one of you guys who found my analysis of DK suspicious... - 01/08/2010 07:59:33 AM 933 Views
Since I am currently cursed with insomnia, I think I will give it a try. - 01/08/2010 10:24:09 AM 1002 Views
Well it was kinda the idea to vote her out the second time... - 04/08/2010 03:01:38 AM 1041 Views
Heh. Divya was not meant to kill. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:22:13 AM 462 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 04/08/2010 07:59:15 PM 565 Views
The character info compilation, which surprisingly hasn't been reposted - 02/08/2010 01:05:26 AM 1117 Views
Hmm. I'll actually have to correct this. - 02/08/2010 03:17:39 AM 997 Views
lol - 02/08/2010 11:47:42 AM 1015 Views
OK, time to look at a few things - 02/08/2010 03:58:41 AM 962 Views
A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 02:24:55 PM 952 Views
Re: A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 04:32:08 PM 864 Views
Not quite anyone. - 03/08/2010 03:23:59 AM 784 Views
A simple torch can't fry a person completely to ashes *NM* - 02/08/2010 10:31:05 PM 937 Views
But killing them then putting them over a fire would. - 03/08/2010 03:23:25 AM 811 Views
I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 03:58:54 AM 840 Views
Re: I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 05:08:21 PM 966 Views
Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 03/08/2010 07:23:46 PM 960 Views
Re: Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 04/08/2010 02:49:50 PM 944 Views
its a song of ice and fire - 04/08/2010 04:34:19 PM 1009 Views
Re: its a song of ice and fire - 05/08/2010 01:08:47 AM 974 Views
yeah but Wheeler was a jerk. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:09:04 AM 594 Views
You should read more carefully. - 06/08/2010 04:13:45 AM 932 Views
Hrmm. All this dropping out is killing our game. - 06/08/2010 05:11:41 AM 815 Views
Re: Hrmm. All this faffing is killing the game - 06/08/2010 09:06:23 AM 968 Views
Faff faff faff - 06/08/2010 02:21:37 PM 953 Views
yeah, once was enough for me. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:03:25 AM 650 Views
So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 06:37:22 AM 922 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 04:49:16 PM 983 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 05:55:27 PM 1238 Views
I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 06:33:30 PM 925 Views
Re: I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 10:02:12 PM 950 Views
So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 12:34:37 AM 936 Views
Re: So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 03:32:13 AM 923 Views
hey ho, summats happening - 06/08/2010 11:05:34 PM 1024 Views
Uh, I think you just lynched her - 07/08/2010 03:59:19 AM 856 Views
EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 04:01:54 AM 1037 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 06:37:10 AM 1060 Views
EBWOP - 07/08/2010 06:39:48 AM 990 Views
FT has the Chair vote, so it is L-1 *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:59:22 AM 629 Views
Ahh Gotcha. Forgot about that. Thanks. *NM* - 07/08/2010 05:09:28 PM 495 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 859 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 10:30:05 AM 941 Views
She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 03:54:09 AM 1016 Views
Re: She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 05:18:58 AM 831 Views
Hmph, I thought it would be obvious. - 07/08/2010 03:27:15 PM 909 Views
That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 03:35:01 PM 913 Views
Re: That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 05:12:30 PM 996 Views
Also, the roadrunner hurts the coyote quite a bit. - 07/08/2010 05:13:56 PM 972 Views
True, but - 07/08/2010 05:29:31 PM 910 Views
Hey, all he wants is a meal! - 07/08/2010 06:20:19 PM 813 Views
Yea, but only with the traps Wil E set. *NM* - 07/08/2010 07:02:27 PM 444 Views
Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 06:21:17 PM 871 Views
I think you can stop with the voting now. You've done what you wanted and it worked. - 07/08/2010 06:44:29 PM 958 Views
Meh, I made a promise. - 07/08/2010 07:52:17 PM 875 Views
Re: Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 07:00:36 PM 1012 Views
Or she could have investigated him. Just laying out all the options. - 07/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 890 Views
That or White Flame is lying now. - 07/08/2010 07:55:00 PM 879 Views
Deal. *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:00:40 PM 419 Views
He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:17:51 PM 961 Views
Re: He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:31:20 PM 921 Views
In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:32:55 PM 1002 Views
Re: In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:35:07 PM 999 Views
eh, I guess that makes sense - 07/08/2010 09:44:50 PM 832 Views
Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:42:29 AM 941 Views
I agree...what? *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:31:04 AM 410 Views
You scammed some retard out of a Phione *NM* - 07/08/2010 04:45:22 PM 786 Views
Nah, the retard willingly gave it to me. Even better *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:58:45 PM 641 Views
Re: Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:12:04 PM 970 Views
What's to comment on, really? - 07/08/2010 06:59:10 PM 1046 Views
Also, did you get the chance to do a Night Action last night? - 07/08/2010 07:01:49 PM 991 Views
I jumped too quickly. If it's not too late - Unvote *NM* - 08/08/2010 03:06:35 AM 619 Views
I think it's too late - 08/08/2010 06:43:30 AM 850 Views
Well, we'll find out soon enough I suppose. - 08/08/2010 03:16:07 PM 802 Views
Well, if you didn't lie, you should be alright anyway. *NM* - 08/08/2010 05:15:32 PM 487 Views
Taking one for the team, right? - 08/08/2010 06:28:37 PM 881 Views
EBWOP: someone needs to page ranagrande, too *NM* - 08/08/2010 06:29:46 PM 504 Views
*sschtz* Paging Dr. Ranagrande ... you're wanted in surgery *scchtxz* - 09/08/2010 02:47:15 AM 880 Views
Righto, on my way! *NM* - 09/08/2010 03:02:14 AM 594 Views
Darth_Katie has been lynched - 09/08/2010 03:07:32 AM 1034 Views
I believe we are past 125 hours -- any update on when this will start back up? *NM* - 13/08/2010 06:39:40 AM 618 Views
So, do we assume Ranagrande has vanished and just move on to the next game? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:05:27 PM 499 Views
Are we allowed to sub the mod? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:21:28 PM 616 Views
It is possible - 15/08/2010 12:41:27 AM 904 Views
Give it another day, stalemate isn't preferable - 14/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 946 Views
Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:06:44 PM 989 Views
Re: Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:30:15 PM 972 Views
go post in the RP then - 14/08/2010 09:42:55 PM 930 Views
You are aware I am dead there too? - 14/08/2010 09:45:49 PM 791 Views
*swears into a paper bag* - 14/08/2010 09:49:55 PM 884 Views
I would be willing to try a replacement mod idea before calling it quits - 15/08/2010 12:48:50 AM 984 Views
While you're waiting, I've posted a draft of the rules update - 15/08/2010 01:23:21 AM 1022 Views
*reads rules* - 15/08/2010 04:24:41 AM 1095 Views
Yeah, that's great. - 15/08/2010 06:41:43 AM 986 Views
I'm back. - 16/08/2010 09:16:54 PM 957 Views
Good to see - hope everything is OK *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:50:21 PM 543 Views

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