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So I'm back. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM
Haven't missed too much, as far as I can see. As will surprise absolutely nobody, I oppose this massclaiming suggestion. While I do, exceptionally, see some worth in roleclaims this game, it'll do as well with individual under pressure claim as with mass roleclaim. Maybe even better.

Anyway, a look at the remaining players:

Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.

Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.

Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.

Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.

Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.

White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?

I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.

Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.

Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:

Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin

White Flame of Tar Valon
Napoleon62
Darth_Katie
Fox and Ravens

Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca

Darth_Katie and the Chair
Fox and Ravens
White Flame of Tar Valon



Fanatic-Templar
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fox and Ravens
Darth_Katie

Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:39:09 PM 2278 Views
Vote Table - 17/07/2010 09:40:41 PM 1126 Views
Napoleon isn't inactive? - 18/07/2010 04:21:24 AM 939 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:50:09 PM 1102 Views
Hypocop Table - 17/07/2010 09:52:26 PM 1042 Views
I found DK to be guilty *NM* - 17/07/2010 09:52:45 PM 715 Views
I found Kronin al'Sulc to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:22:34 AM 577 Views
Kylia - Dirty *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:35:04 AM 667 Views
BlackAdder - innocent *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:45:20 AM 762 Views
I found White Flame to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:26:30 AM 562 Views
Don't care if I'm dead- I TOTALLY called Talic. - 18/07/2010 01:55:01 AM 1071 Views
Maybe you'll be able to replace... someone - 18/07/2010 02:45:53 AM 1050 Views
Nah, Watcher gives me extra info... - 18/07/2010 04:10:10 AM 911 Views
That was the first thing I noticed, too . *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:23:30 AM 691 Views
Hahaha. yes. You did call that one very well. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:34:22 AM 582 Views
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Way to be! *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:43:41 AM 683 Views
Wow.... great call. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:25:53 AM 538 Views
Yeah I call shenanigans; also the Langoliers need to stop eating all the scum >.< *NM* - 18/07/2010 12:37:25 PM 870 Views
*resurrects* - 22/07/2010 01:03:01 AM 997 Views
so what are we doing today? - 18/07/2010 09:21:49 PM 919 Views
Alrighty, what are we going to do now? - 18/07/2010 09:31:44 PM 1178 Views
Faction, not fraction. - 18/07/2010 09:59:12 PM 1162 Views
Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 19/07/2010 09:38:55 PM 997 Views
Re: Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 20/07/2010 05:11:24 AM 1107 Views
I meant that there's a possibility he was bluffing. - 20/07/2010 01:05:48 PM 1098 Views
Understandable now that you explained yourself...but it still irks me. *NM* - 21/07/2010 05:52:30 AM 505 Views
Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 05:05:53 AM 1007 Views
Re: Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 08:53:09 AM 1070 Views
As much as I love the word "moot" - 19/07/2010 09:35:00 PM 1059 Views
RBIRL - 21/07/2010 06:15:35 PM 990 Views
what now? - 22/07/2010 02:25:48 AM 1025 Views
I agree - 22/07/2010 05:21:39 AM 1131 Views
Okay, first of all - 23/07/2010 07:50:23 AM 981 Views
In theory it is necessary to actually post to properly play the game - 23/07/2010 12:00:08 AM 918 Views
i think everyone lost their zeal when the primary poster died - 23/07/2010 12:24:32 AM 1035 Views
LOL, DK's still alive - 23/07/2010 12:53:21 AM 1069 Views
VICTORY IS MINE!!!!! - 23/07/2010 01:03:03 AM 1093 Views
Whoa, go me! - 23/07/2010 03:46:59 AM 1042 Views
Sorry - 23/07/2010 12:31:46 AM 1003 Views
Maybe we should mass claim? - 23/07/2010 01:11:50 AM 1025 Views
Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 03:58:14 AM 946 Views
Re: Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 04:45:03 AM 1004 Views
Shrugs. - 23/07/2010 07:21:51 AM 1095 Views
disagree - 23/07/2010 10:03:48 AM 990 Views
Alright. - 23/07/2010 03:03:16 PM 1034 Views
Re: Alright. - 23/07/2010 07:52:18 PM 1010 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been elected Chair. *NM* - 23/07/2010 11:04:21 AM 660 Views
Okay so... - 24/07/2010 04:58:31 AM 909 Views
Re: Okay so... - 24/07/2010 03:47:58 PM 1040 Views
Yeah, sounds like it. - 24/07/2010 03:51:46 PM 955 Views
I think so too... - 24/07/2010 05:34:24 PM 984 Views
I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 07:48:38 PM 965 Views
Re: I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 10:37:31 PM 1008 Views
Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 24/07/2010 10:43:27 PM 928 Views
Re: Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 25/07/2010 12:50:44 AM 895 Views
True. - 25/07/2010 06:16:18 AM 914 Views
Yuna was your own doing. - 25/07/2010 06:27:33 AM 847 Views
Did you have a say about whether or not to go in or was it decided by the mod? *NM* - 25/07/2010 05:10:28 AM 615 Views
Mod decided. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:39:32 AM 571 Views
So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM 977 Views
Re: massclaiming - 25/07/2010 06:22:37 AM 1006 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 06:38:51 AM 899 Views
Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:08:26 AM 930 Views
Re: Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:21:07 AM 939 Views
And you still didn't support lynching her then, is my point. - 25/07/2010 06:10:32 PM 872 Views
Well, since I haven't taken part in a single vote thus far,can you really hold that against me? *NM* - 27/07/2010 09:28:14 AM 591 Views
Yes. *NM* - 27/07/2010 01:04:10 PM 632 Views
*NM* - 28/07/2010 11:24:37 PM 603 Views
Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM 597 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 01:51:27 PM 995 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 03:27:14 PM 1029 Views
yep, thanks - 25/07/2010 07:31:44 PM 915 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 01:50:54 PM 955 Views
I don't have a problem claiming. - 25/07/2010 05:34:38 PM 985 Views
what? - 25/07/2010 05:54:56 PM 844 Views
That would actually be dead character knowledge, I think. - 25/07/2010 06:13:15 PM 924 Views
i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 06:33:24 PM 762 Views
Just shush about it, hope you don't get modkilled. - 25/07/2010 07:32:56 PM 848 Views
I will if Ranagrande asks me to. - 26/07/2010 02:23:18 AM 776 Views
Yea, that was as much a message to you as a reminder to him. - 26/07/2010 02:25:56 AM 987 Views
It's all good - 26/07/2010 03:49:35 AM 928 Views
Re: i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 07:33:40 PM 994 Views
Yeah, but you could have been lying. - 26/07/2010 02:22:37 AM 982 Views
I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 12:48:57 AM 995 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 02:15:31 AM 970 Views
One detail... - 29/07/2010 02:43:45 AM 937 Views
Re: One detail... - 29/07/2010 03:14:38 AM 1031 Views
This is one of the reasons I like my laptop ... - 29/07/2010 03:20:50 AM 1075 Views
Theoretically - 29/07/2010 03:22:35 AM 1006 Views
Generally speaking, yes. - 29/07/2010 07:46:34 PM 941 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 04:40:55 AM 1084 Views
I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:43:44 AM 1011 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:56:21 AM 923 Views
- 29/07/2010 02:36:49 PM 922 Views
Except Yesterday? - 29/07/2010 06:31:22 PM 856 Views
*nods* - 29/07/2010 08:11:35 PM 859 Views
Re: *nods* - 30/07/2010 03:38:36 AM 907 Views
Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 03:45:25 AM 963 Views
Re: Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 04:51:56 AM 881 Views
Doesn't matter what she claimed to be. - 30/07/2010 04:08:55 PM 1055 Views
TBF, my char is dead now, so shut up about it *NM* - 30/07/2010 05:15:25 PM 645 Views
No offense to you. - 30/07/2010 09:45:21 PM 1005 Views
Re: No offense to you. - 31/07/2010 12:12:59 AM 1041 Views
Shh. I get confused a lot. - 31/07/2010 05:25:37 AM 992 Views
Sorry, Yuna, but it is kinda necessary. *NM* - 31/07/2010 12:10:05 AM 558 Views
The truth she claimed was to have lied . - 30/07/2010 07:25:02 PM 878 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 05:40:48 AM 1023 Views
RBIRL thurs-sunday - 29/07/2010 02:17:59 PM 832 Views
The character formerly played by Napoleon62 now belongs to BlackAdder. *NM* - 01/08/2010 04:14:38 AM 523 Views
Sweet life friends. *NM* - 01/08/2010 07:31:38 AM 534 Views
I'm here, will hopefully make a real post soon *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:37:15 AM 551 Views
So...one of you guys who found my analysis of DK suspicious... - 01/08/2010 07:59:33 AM 941 Views
Since I am currently cursed with insomnia, I think I will give it a try. - 01/08/2010 10:24:09 AM 1011 Views
Well it was kinda the idea to vote her out the second time... - 04/08/2010 03:01:38 AM 1050 Views
Heh. Divya was not meant to kill. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:22:13 AM 468 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 04/08/2010 07:59:15 PM 570 Views
The character info compilation, which surprisingly hasn't been reposted - 02/08/2010 01:05:26 AM 1125 Views
Hmm. I'll actually have to correct this. - 02/08/2010 03:17:39 AM 1006 Views
lol - 02/08/2010 11:47:42 AM 1024 Views
OK, time to look at a few things - 02/08/2010 03:58:41 AM 971 Views
A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 02:24:55 PM 959 Views
Re: A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 04:32:08 PM 872 Views
Not quite anyone. - 03/08/2010 03:23:59 AM 791 Views
A simple torch can't fry a person completely to ashes *NM* - 02/08/2010 10:31:05 PM 945 Views
But killing them then putting them over a fire would. - 03/08/2010 03:23:25 AM 820 Views
I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 03:58:54 AM 848 Views
Re: I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 05:08:21 PM 975 Views
Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 03/08/2010 07:23:46 PM 968 Views
Re: Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 04/08/2010 02:49:50 PM 953 Views
its a song of ice and fire - 04/08/2010 04:34:19 PM 1019 Views
Re: its a song of ice and fire - 05/08/2010 01:08:47 AM 984 Views
yeah but Wheeler was a jerk. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:09:04 AM 604 Views
You should read more carefully. - 06/08/2010 04:13:45 AM 940 Views
Hrmm. All this dropping out is killing our game. - 06/08/2010 05:11:41 AM 823 Views
Re: Hrmm. All this faffing is killing the game - 06/08/2010 09:06:23 AM 977 Views
Faff faff faff - 06/08/2010 02:21:37 PM 962 Views
yeah, once was enough for me. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:03:25 AM 654 Views
So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 06:37:22 AM 931 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 04:49:16 PM 994 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 05:55:27 PM 1246 Views
I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 06:33:30 PM 933 Views
Re: I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 10:02:12 PM 961 Views
So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 12:34:37 AM 945 Views
Re: So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 03:32:13 AM 932 Views
hey ho, summats happening - 06/08/2010 11:05:34 PM 1032 Views
Uh, I think you just lynched her - 07/08/2010 03:59:19 AM 864 Views
EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 04:01:54 AM 1045 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 06:37:10 AM 1068 Views
EBWOP - 07/08/2010 06:39:48 AM 998 Views
FT has the Chair vote, so it is L-1 *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:59:22 AM 632 Views
Ahh Gotcha. Forgot about that. Thanks. *NM* - 07/08/2010 05:09:28 PM 500 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 867 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 10:30:05 AM 952 Views
She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 03:54:09 AM 1024 Views
Re: She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 05:18:58 AM 840 Views
Hmph, I thought it would be obvious. - 07/08/2010 03:27:15 PM 917 Views
That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 03:35:01 PM 922 Views
Re: That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 05:12:30 PM 1005 Views
Also, the roadrunner hurts the coyote quite a bit. - 07/08/2010 05:13:56 PM 981 Views
True, but - 07/08/2010 05:29:31 PM 922 Views
Hey, all he wants is a meal! - 07/08/2010 06:20:19 PM 822 Views
Yea, but only with the traps Wil E set. *NM* - 07/08/2010 07:02:27 PM 449 Views
Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 06:21:17 PM 880 Views
I think you can stop with the voting now. You've done what you wanted and it worked. - 07/08/2010 06:44:29 PM 967 Views
Meh, I made a promise. - 07/08/2010 07:52:17 PM 885 Views
Re: Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 07:00:36 PM 1021 Views
Or she could have investigated him. Just laying out all the options. - 07/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 901 Views
That or White Flame is lying now. - 07/08/2010 07:55:00 PM 888 Views
Deal. *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:00:40 PM 423 Views
He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:17:51 PM 974 Views
Re: He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:31:20 PM 931 Views
In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:32:55 PM 1011 Views
Re: In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:35:07 PM 1008 Views
eh, I guess that makes sense - 07/08/2010 09:44:50 PM 842 Views
Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:42:29 AM 949 Views
I agree...what? *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:31:04 AM 414 Views
You scammed some retard out of a Phione *NM* - 07/08/2010 04:45:22 PM 791 Views
Nah, the retard willingly gave it to me. Even better *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:58:45 PM 646 Views
Re: Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:12:04 PM 979 Views
What's to comment on, really? - 07/08/2010 06:59:10 PM 1056 Views
Also, did you get the chance to do a Night Action last night? - 07/08/2010 07:01:49 PM 1001 Views
I jumped too quickly. If it's not too late - Unvote *NM* - 08/08/2010 03:06:35 AM 624 Views
I think it's too late - 08/08/2010 06:43:30 AM 858 Views
Well, we'll find out soon enough I suppose. - 08/08/2010 03:16:07 PM 814 Views
Well, if you didn't lie, you should be alright anyway. *NM* - 08/08/2010 05:15:32 PM 490 Views
Taking one for the team, right? - 08/08/2010 06:28:37 PM 892 Views
EBWOP: someone needs to page ranagrande, too *NM* - 08/08/2010 06:29:46 PM 507 Views
*sschtz* Paging Dr. Ranagrande ... you're wanted in surgery *scchtxz* - 09/08/2010 02:47:15 AM 887 Views
Righto, on my way! *NM* - 09/08/2010 03:02:14 AM 599 Views
Darth_Katie has been lynched - 09/08/2010 03:07:32 AM 1041 Views
I believe we are past 125 hours -- any update on when this will start back up? *NM* - 13/08/2010 06:39:40 AM 622 Views
So, do we assume Ranagrande has vanished and just move on to the next game? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:05:27 PM 504 Views
Are we allowed to sub the mod? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:21:28 PM 620 Views
It is possible - 15/08/2010 12:41:27 AM 916 Views
Give it another day, stalemate isn't preferable - 14/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 956 Views
Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:06:44 PM 997 Views
Re: Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:30:15 PM 984 Views
go post in the RP then - 14/08/2010 09:42:55 PM 939 Views
You are aware I am dead there too? - 14/08/2010 09:45:49 PM 799 Views
*swears into a paper bag* - 14/08/2010 09:49:55 PM 891 Views
I would be willing to try a replacement mod idea before calling it quits - 15/08/2010 12:48:50 AM 992 Views
While you're waiting, I've posted a draft of the rules update - 15/08/2010 01:23:21 AM 1030 Views
*reads rules* - 15/08/2010 04:24:41 AM 1109 Views
Yeah, that's great. - 15/08/2010 06:41:43 AM 994 Views
I'm back. - 16/08/2010 09:16:54 PM 966 Views
Good to see - hope everything is OK *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:50:21 PM 547 Views

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