I just wanted a one word thingy, so people could type it easy
Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 08:15:57 PM
1 - Why is it suspicious of me to 'cast suspicion' on the one person I think is acting strangely? That's what is done, especially on Day 1, there is a reason we refer to this as a Lynch Mob, not a Jury.
That's fair, it's just something I noted. As I said, it's not something that I had taken into account, but it did jump at me.
Well, as I mentioned, it was my suspicion of Kronin that led to you, I was examining his actions and noticed you, not the other way around. Currently it's my opinion that if we kill one of you then we'll probably have a DF, and we'll also probably get two, if one is innocent, then the other may still be guilty but it probably not lynchable from a practical standpoint, I'm trying to decide who is more clearly guilty, or who is more likely if they die to prove/disprove the other's guilt.
2 - Of course, the statement is still wrong on top of that, since I did not cast it one the "one person", insofar as you and Kronin are not one single person
I meant that in your suspicons, there is one person who thought that you acted suspicious. Apparently the rest all think that you have been acting naturally and pro-town, I did not. Adding a second person to it, besides all the other reasons you have found in your evidence, hides it a bit. As I said, I had the feeling you were trying to hide yourself behind me and Hobo asking for a No-Lynch (which I doubt can even be considered slightly pro-town as several people have said), and this has the same feeling: doing something and trying to hide it in behind (or between) other things and (mostly) a lot of words.
They think I'm acting normally, which I am, the dilemma is that my 'normal' is 50% Evil Overlord and 50% Ruthless Inquisitor, so my behavior is fairly consistent regardless of my alignment. FT benefits from this even more, since he's tended to be 20% Evil Overlord and 80% Even More Ruthless Inquisitor. No, not hiding behind you and Hobo, technically I'd be hiding behind Hobo and Kylia anyway, since she claims your question. Had I wanted no lynch to have happened, I could have stayed silent or just posted a few 'Why isn't anyone talking?' empty posts expressing my irritation (quite genuine) at this unprecedented lack of participation. Core to my game is never waste opportunities, which is why so many of my questions have additional motives, and also that I believe one can only legitimately claim victory if one clearer hand a strong hand in the outcome. I'd not pass a chance to lynch someone were I a bad guy, both because I'd view it as a wasted opportunity and a forfeiture by inaction. Anyway, FT and I weren't really discussing 'Is No Lynch a good or awful idea?', we were discussing whether or not there is any scenario where it might make sense and potential negative feedback effects of having it as an ironclad policy. It also was something of bait, as was the pledge, but that's another story and another example of making everything you can multi-function and natural, I do believe there are conceivable scenarios where it might be useful, but in virtually all circumstances I'd view the option as one or more of the following 1) Anti-game, 2) tactically unwise, 3) Guessing at a scenario you have little reason to believe is in play (most of the theoretical cases I have where it might be tactically wise you also wouldn't likely know it was), 4) The byproduct of player laziness, if we're in a no-lynch scenario, it means people aren't doing what they are supposed to and probing and questioning, in such a case it might be tactically wise to no lynch, but I'd rather lop off a lazy players head as an example, even if they were town, to encourage active participation. This is why I said I would be very unlikely to ever vote for a no lynch... also I was trying to prod ranagrande into moving up the deadline, to get people talking, deadlines placed for this reason can and usually do get pushed back if people start talking again.Basically about the only case I'd do this in was if everyone had been playing well (not necessarily very active individually) and we'd also somehow not found some evidence, IMHO 'everyone lives' serves as a small player reward for good behavior. I sincerely hope, and decidedly doubt, that this should happen at some point
3 - I hardly invented new rules - well, of course I did, the rule dates back to when I made it up in Game 8 and was restated last game, your first game. Ranagrande said he was using the Chair role which I made, and mirroring the rules, those were part of the rules, I also assume ranagrande is holding elections daily and that people can't win consecutively.
I stand corrected. Seeing how people reacted last game when you introduced the role, I figured it was something new. I really feel that rana should have specified some of the rules a bit more. And please, why is there no vote table? I have no idea who's voting for who and how far we are until a Lynch - it's annoying.
Only about half of them had seen the chair title before, it was a year ago IIRC, and there was no advocate, it was a position elected on day 1 that served till either killed or voted out, not daily rotated by default.
(Besides, the empeach syntax is wrong, but let's not be a sore loser about that. )
Impeach dates back to then, it was sort of distinguishing the alternate mode of removing someone from office - killing them - anyway its a bizarre word in definition and in etymological roots, I've heard some amazingly long blathering on the matter back during the Clinton Years. Originally - and it never made it into play in 8, it would have simply suppressed that persons ability to use the double vote that day, but I decided it was just easier to go with stripping.
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King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
RAFO Mafia 17, Day 1: Trouble in Paradise
30/05/2010 10:43:08 PM
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Miscellaneous information
30/05/2010 10:44:49 PM
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Since I have not seen anybody else do this before (and it's a great way to start a conversation)
31/05/2010 07:33:03 PM
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EBWOP: Don't know why this was not in the root, where I thought I put it
31/05/2010 07:34:09 PM
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Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 1: Trouble in Paradise
31/05/2010 03:08:30 AM
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I'm afraid I'm already waaay in over my head
31/05/2010 07:20:54 AM
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Don't forget the 5th element *NM*
31/05/2010 08:25:13 AM
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Okay, so, let's get this started.
31/05/2010 07:48:13 AM
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Well that depends.
31/05/2010 06:53:02 PM
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Wow, of all the people here to be unfamiliar with a character.
31/05/2010 07:43:54 PM
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I do...(for both)
31/05/2010 07:09:06 PM
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I would be willing to bet that's true.
31/05/2010 08:50:05 PM
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So are you saying the Tourists are also all... tourists?
31/05/2010 08:54:31 PM
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EBWOP
31/05/2010 08:57:51 PM
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Yes, and I recently read/watched/listened to whatever it is I'm from, too. Loved it *NM*
31/05/2010 07:29:20 PM
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No idea. *NM*
31/05/2010 10:28:53 PM
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Yes to both. *NM*
01/06/2010 12:54:55 AM
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Wait, scratch that. I don't have a place of origin. *NM*
01/06/2010 03:06:49 AM
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I didn't think he meant place but rather the work that you're from *NM*
01/06/2010 03:20:59 AM
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If there is an Oompa Loompa song whenever someone dies, I will die happy *NM*
31/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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+1
31/05/2010 08:35:28 PM
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+1 to that song. *NM*
31/05/2010 08:46:39 PM
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Since I tried to start a conversation, but failed (because I posted in the wrong place?)
01/06/2010 07:25:29 AM
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ummm, dear?
01/06/2010 10:49:54 AM
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^^^Attention-seeker = Jester^^^
01/06/2010 11:07:44 PM
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Some first thoughts
01/06/2010 10:27:38 PM
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Current Info (Table)
01/06/2010 10:40:41 PM
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No and yes.
02/06/2010 02:23:49 AM
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Random stone throwing super dick vote
02/06/2010 08:00:57 PM
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Just do your best on answers, the questions are deliberately vague
02/06/2010 12:43:25 AM
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OK, so we all know who we are. Now what?
02/06/2010 05:12:38 PM
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We seem to have two random votes already
02/06/2010 06:06:29 PM
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What do y'all think?
03/06/2010 12:36:23 AM
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I won't be participating in that.
03/06/2010 01:06:26 AM
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That's pretty legit.
03/06/2010 02:05:50 AM
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We could talk about Napoleon62 and Isaac voting each other for no reason *NM*
03/06/2010 02:43:03 AM
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You think there are ulterior motives?
03/06/2010 03:07:28 AM
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Fair enough. Good reason not to.
03/06/2010 03:45:35 AM
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I actually think it's a decent idea, just needs a modification
03/06/2010 04:33:47 AM
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I remember that.
03/06/2010 06:10:33 AM
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Okay, so next 'question'
03/06/2010 07:57:08 AM
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Ranagrande really seemed to make an effort to go out of his way here.
03/06/2010 01:31:03 PM
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But if you're from something really weird
03/06/2010 05:54:37 PM
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You don't even need to pick a bunch of weird things
03/06/2010 08:23:19 PM
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Is one of those two sets of 5 your answer to your 5 worlds question?
06/06/2010 10:03:52 PM
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IMPORTANT POINT
04/06/2010 05:04:18 AM
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Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:30:05 AM
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Re: Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:37:25 AM
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Re: Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:49:00 AM
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It is an interesting theory, though
04/06/2010 07:37:30 AM
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Re: It is an interesting theory, though
04/06/2010 08:41:16 AM
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I was assuming she meant it the same way we warn hypocoppers
04/06/2010 03:51:06 PM
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jargon question.
04/06/2010 06:19:51 PM
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Sorry I screwed up your fancy plans.
04/06/2010 08:05:18 PM
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I must be really tired.
05/06/2010 02:52:32 AM
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Honestly, anyone trying to lynch based solely on series
05/06/2010 04:00:13 AM
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Out of curiosity, what did he say?
05/06/2010 06:47:43 AM
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He said he was programmed.
05/06/2010 08:22:45 AM
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But... wasn't that the robot game, where we were all programmed?
05/06/2010 07:37:03 PM
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Actually, my own RM didn't mention robots at all, so odds are neither did DK's
05/06/2010 09:00:52 PM
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Can we agree on revealing gender? *NM*
04/06/2010 06:20:29 PM
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Will that really help us tell who is mafia and who is not?
04/06/2010 06:39:07 PM
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Will listing off five random worlds?
05/06/2010 04:09:55 AM
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Re: Will listing off five random worlds?
06/06/2010 10:11:18 PM
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btw, what happened to the Chair election?
04/06/2010 10:46:41 PM
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I'm relatively content to give it to anyone who doesn't have day 1 lynch jitters
05/06/2010 12:12:19 AM
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OK, since I'm apparently Chair (including a Table) *updated Jun 9th*
06/06/2010 07:43:10 PM
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Male. . . .again. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:37:52 AM
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Napoleon's going to have a hard time
07/06/2010 09:10:21 AM
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Let's not. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:06:58 PM
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I'll call you Smurfette anyway. You know, just because I can. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:29:35 PM
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Settings (Table)
07/06/2010 12:47:35 AM
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Uh
07/06/2010 02:13:40 AM
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Can someone explain for the slow kids?
08/06/2010 06:59:47 AM
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Short answer: click the little links at the right side of the page
08/06/2010 10:56:37 PM
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Anyone else get the feeling we have some "nontraditional" settings?
08/06/2010 12:04:23 AM
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Didn't I suggest that from the beginning? *NM*
08/06/2010 03:08:36 AM
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I must say that it makes me uncomfortable
08/06/2010 07:40:00 AM
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Just went back: ranagrande told me knowing settings is not vital to playing. A slight relief. *NM*
08/06/2010 07:49:10 AM
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Two new thoughts
08/06/2010 07:48:24 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 12:02:01 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 04:31:06 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 04:57:02 AM
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In which I spoil everyone's identity! (Well, maybe not)
09/06/2010 07:34:08 AM
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Whoops, replied to the wrong spot... ignore this one, look below! *NM*
09/06/2010 07:35:40 AM
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In which I spoil everyone's identity! (Well, maybe not)
09/06/2010 07:35:10 AM
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Not sure about the Talic vote, but
09/06/2010 10:35:25 AM
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Agree
09/06/2010 12:24:47 PM
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Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 06:10:34 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 06:26:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 08:53:53 PM
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Maybe you should explain why you think a 'No Lynch' on Day 1 is always bad
10/06/2010 02:05:16 AM
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Do we have any reason to believe that the scum are not a single united faction? *NM*
10/06/2010 02:23:11 AM
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I'd say so, it's indicated in the intro text and it's been normal of late
10/06/2010 02:35:26 AM
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Because it is always bad. Seems like the ideal reason.
10/06/2010 04:21:10 AM
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Good points.
10/06/2010 04:45:24 AM
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Re: Because it is always bad. Seems like the ideal reason.
10/06/2010 05:03:15 AM
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We might randomly lynch (or try to lynch) someone who is part of a faction
10/06/2010 06:37:48 AM
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I don't believe in completely random lynches.
10/06/2010 04:35:42 PM
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I feel like random lynches are a really good place for scum to hide.
10/06/2010 06:19:22 PM
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'Seems' isn't 'Is', a dead townie is a dead townie
10/06/2010 05:57:19 AM
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Which is pretty much the point.
10/06/2010 05:39:36 PM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
10/06/2010 06:31:40 PM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
11/06/2010 01:56:41 AM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
11/06/2010 12:58:25 AM
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Incidentally, how likely do you think it is that I am a Darkfriend?
11/06/2010 01:34:55 AM
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Probably less than random with some caveats, over all, roughly random
11/06/2010 02:21:24 AM
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Re: Probably less than random with some caveats, over all, roughly random
11/06/2010 02:40:33 AM
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I suppose we're back to DefCon 5
11/06/2010 03:36:12 AM
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Hmm... I did forget the "main character" thing. Regardless, Talic is Captain Morgan
09/06/2010 11:25:03 PM
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So sorry guys
10/06/2010 06:31:49 AM
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No problem
10/06/2010 04:17:27 PM
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Any chance we can get Gher to replace in?
10/06/2010 07:30:04 PM
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An addition to my Talic accusation
10/06/2010 08:48:14 AM
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Duffman wouldn't be awesome?
10/06/2010 10:31:30 AM
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Oh come on.
10/06/2010 05:56:54 PM
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I maintain it made sense
11/06/2010 02:55:39 AM
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Combined Info (Table)
11/06/2010 04:33:01 AM
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The All-Seeing Eye of Sauron is upon you... let the brutal analysis begin
11/06/2010 05:16:27 AM
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Hmm ... I think I am working from a different definition of Modern Real Earth.
11/06/2010 06:37:04 AM
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Re: Hmm ... I think I am working from a different definition of Modern Real Earth.
11/06/2010 12:50:16 PM
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Re: The All-Seeing Eye of Sauron is upon you... let the brutal analysis begin
12/06/2010 03:33:37 PM
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RBIRL for another effing week.
13/06/2010 01:55:52 AM
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I am forced to assume
13/06/2010 02:46:47 PM
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I'm not busy at all! Let's murder someone!
13/06/2010 04:06:04 AM
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Re: I'm not busy at all! Let's murder someone!
13/06/2010 02:16:40 PM
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Good point.
13/06/2010 06:20:55 PM
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Before I basically disappear from this thread for about a week...
13/06/2010 08:55:03 PM
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Re: Before I basically disappear from this thread for about a week...
14/06/2010 02:35:18 AM
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Okay, pushing forward
14/06/2010 04:29:20 PM
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Pledge: No; CON: Sure
15/06/2010 12:31:57 AM
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So...
15/06/2010 01:04:11 AM
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If you will allow me to be pedantic.
15/06/2010 01:24:07 AM
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Ok, I just want to say I'm sorry for not posting as much as I normally do
15/06/2010 02:52:31 AM
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Okay, now you're just pushing for a No-Lynch in different terms.
15/06/2010 04:49:26 AM
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<coughs> Not trying to imply you didn't actually read the post here, but...
15/06/2010 07:35:44 AM
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Also...
15/06/2010 03:12:18 PM
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BA has a point- townies ALREADY have an incentive to ask questions. Why reward DFs?
15/06/2010 07:56:04 AM
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Seeing hwo you're trying to protect me from getting Lynched
15/06/2010 12:40:27 PM
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Well, the lengthy posts are for clarity, apparently I wasn't lengthy enough.
15/06/2010 05:05:22 PM
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Every vanilla is supposed to say yes.
15/06/2010 06:13:08 PM
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Which of course brings about the real problem, which is the opposite of what you say.
15/06/2010 06:26:42 PM
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Let me hold off on answering this, if you don't mind
15/06/2010 07:14:25 PM
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Fine, I'm not in a hurry. *NM*
15/06/2010 07:17:10 PM
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Let me run another possible question by you
15/06/2010 08:18:33 PM
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By the way, this is sort of a revision of white flame's question
15/06/2010 08:21:32 PM
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At first glance, I don't see any problem with it.
15/06/2010 09:31:44 PM
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to get the game moving
15/06/2010 08:53:38 PM
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go on... *NM*
15/06/2010 09:38:13 PM
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its day one, do i realy need a reason? *NM*
15/06/2010 09:56:59 PM
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It is customary *NM*
15/06/2010 10:01:25 PM
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well...
15/06/2010 11:04:29 PM
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Next Question
15/06/2010 09:56:10 PM
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Strong Yes
16/06/2010 06:38:53 AM
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Didn't you already say you were a manly man?
16/06/2010 12:52:57 PM
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Who isn't answering questions (Table)
17/06/2010 03:13:58 PM
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One of my answers
18/06/2010 12:50:15 PM
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It won't be too much longer
18/06/2010 05:25:36 PM
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All right, let's do this, I have two people to accuse
19/06/2010 08:36:14 PM
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why just FOS?
19/06/2010 09:48:25 PM
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I can't vote for two people at once
19/06/2010 10:12:10 PM
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Honestly, I'm in standby at this point.
20/06/2010 09:31:42 AM
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Just for you Beet, a non-acronym version
20/06/2010 05:13:07 PM
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Re: All right, let's do this, I have two people to accuse
20/06/2010 01:29:43 PM
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I'll reply to this in bits, but first:
20/06/2010 06:09:26 PM
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Re: I'll reply to this in bits, but first:
20/06/2010 06:44:33 PM
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I just wanted a one word thingy, so people could type it easy
20/06/2010 08:15:57 PM
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Let me extend you an offer
20/06/2010 08:24:11 PM
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A typo-less message implies I'm distracted? How?
21/06/2010 04:41:17 AM
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No, you said you were distracted, I said the message looks like you want people to think so
21/06/2010 04:52:36 AM
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I thought I did address the accusation.
21/06/2010 05:06:41 AM
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See, and I know you're gonna think that was an intentional typo to prove a point. It wasn't, honest
21/06/2010 05:09:05 AM
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I'm not really interested in typos one way or another
21/06/2010 05:16:19 AM
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I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world.
21/06/2010 05:27:27 AM
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And now I'm gonna sleep. I'll get to your questions in the morning.
21/06/2010 05:29:08 AM
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Aqua aside, why did you answer UNC for MRE and MCS?
21/06/2010 05:35:31 AM
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Re: Aqua aside, why did you answer UNC for MRE and MCS?
21/06/2010 02:59:05 PM
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I think UNC is consistent for MRE for Barbie
21/06/2010 06:51:13 PM
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For the record, I did eventually change my consistency to a yes.
21/06/2010 07:17:09 PM
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Possible, and MCS?
21/06/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Yeah, that's also sketchy.
21/06/2010 07:28:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, that's also sketchy.
21/06/2010 08:03:27 PM
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Kronin's Barbie, but claimed he wasn't a major character? Vote: Kronin
21/06/2010 11:39:34 PM
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I'd like a roleclaim.
22/06/2010 12:48:13 AM
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Honestly, looking back, consistency should've been a yes.
22/06/2010 01:21:16 AM
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Each day you can be a different role? That's kind of awesome *NM*
22/06/2010 07:22:35 AM
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Well, I knew it would come down to this, as soon as you pointed a finger to me.
21/06/2010 08:02:42 AM
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Wow, so I suppose these questions can be used in a town friendly way
20/06/2010 02:06:15 PM
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Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 01:25:27 AM
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"You lie you die" is sound policy not only Day 1, but every Day.
22/06/2010 01:40:46 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 01:43:07 AM
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I suppose I'll join in
22/06/2010 01:45:48 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 04:15:44 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 04:31:27 AM
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My answers to the 2 questions asked...
20/06/2010 05:31:22 PM
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Kronin al'Sulc has been lynched
22/06/2010 01:44:22 PM
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