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Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 28/04/2010 04:26:43 PM

White Flame did not die protecting me. He spent the night using his protect action, but no one came to kill me. He died in his own room after he had left.


Everyone- here's what we learned from this one post from Talic.

First- Talic and White Flame were linked. There may be other Aes Sedai out there, but Talic and White Flame could talk at night.

Second- Yuna's story holds up. White Flame protected Talic, but no one attacked him. White Flame then trudges back to his room after a night of bodyguarding, only to be murdered by Bergioyn. Isaac had to wait to see who White Flame was going to protect, or some other ability we don't know about.

Third- Talic is definitely an Aes Sedai.

"Second" doesn't make any sense given the way White Flame's role works. Plus the fact that Isaac was waiting for an important action from White Flame. Your scenario makes White Flame's action pretty insignificant since, in your scenario, he would have died no matter whom he protected.

"Third" - True.

"First" - maybe. White Flame could night talk with anyone who he knew was Aes Sedai. It doesn't necessarily mean he was bonded to Talic. He told Talic who he was protecting (NOT Talic). The last part of Talic's info is confirmed by White Flame's death scene.

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More about how White Flame's role works

Isaac mentioned it is a mix of the bodyguard and bus-driver roles (with White Flame being one of the two targets), with the Warder concept added in.

Here is what mafiawiki says about bodyguard:

The Bodyguard is a name for many roles:

A role that functions like a normal Doctor.
A role that functions like a normal Doctor, but dies if the protected player is attacked.
A role that has a 50% chance of successfully protecting the target and finds out his target's attacker, and a 50% chance that the Bodyguard dies instead.
A role that kills the attacker of the protected player (also known as Elite Bodyguard).

I bolded the one that I think is most applicable here.

Here is bus driver:
The Bus Driver is a role who may choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night choice performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night.

For example, the Bus Driver switches John and Jack. That same night, a roleblocker targets John and a Goon targets Jack. It will be Jack to be roleblocked and John to be killed. The next night, those players will no longer be switched (unless the Bus Driver targets them again).


Normally, a bus-driver can swap the positions of any 2 players. It seems that White Flame could only swap himself with a limited number of players (whom he knew to be Aes Sedai). So, I think that's essentially what his power was - to die in place of an Aes Sedai.

So, this makes me doubt the truth of the claim that someone directly targeted White Flame and killed him last night. Maybe he had a condition such that whether he was targeted or the AS he was protecting was targeted, only he could die. That removes the possibility that his AS would die if someone targeted him. That's obviously not stated, but perhaps it exists (and it does make sense role wise).
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Anyone who he knew was an Aes Sedai. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:27:58 AM 950 Views
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What makes you think Male Channeler? Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:10:20 AM 994 Views
Well, I was a male wilder in Isaac's last game... Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:13:59 AM 938 Views
Hm. Well, OK. This told us a lot. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:09:30 AM 1042 Views
Off to See How to Train Your Dragon- I expect big things when I return! *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:14:36 AM 584 Views
Oh, and: The Salds are, of cours, Yunalesca and one other person, I'm guessing beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:15:55 AM 1112 Views
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Eh, they're Masons beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:40:20 AM 950 Views
Makes them prime NK targets. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:44:15 AM 1017 Views
Oh. Obviously. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:59 AM 1079 Views
Origin chart beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:13:43 AM 971 Views
Also, regarding the Chair role BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:27:43 AM 1087 Views
Someone has a double vote? ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:47:11 AM 1034 Views
Yes, at the end of yesterday BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:33:32 AM 1126 Views
You're forgetting a couple ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:37:59 AM 933 Views
Re: You're forgetting a couple BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:40:24 AM 915 Views
Thanks, I stand corrected. *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:47:34 AM 559 Views
BlackAdder is correct, with a minor correlary beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:46:29 AM 1057 Views
Why not Talic? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:08:14 AM 593 Views
Eh. Newbie Tinker from the White Tower beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:28:30 AM 1050 Views
Roles are distributed randomly. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:32:59 AM 561 Views
Sez who? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:36:20 AM 975 Views
Yes. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:55:42 AM 572 Views
Er... where? I just searched, but maybe I'm missing something beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:06:44 AM 1028 Views
He said it in the first game he modded, which I think is lost to Wotmania. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:21:18 AM 935 Views
Mmm. OK, it's possible. I remain unconvinced, though- we'll ask Isaac after the game ends *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:43:37 AM 624 Views
I think randomizing roles is pretty standard Mod practice. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:55:35 PM 1034 Views
Random with a Caveat Isaac - 26/04/2010 03:43:29 PM 966 Views
OK, that makes sense beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:11:57 PM 1056 Views
Well, I usually don't have much to say Talic - 26/04/2010 05:37:18 PM 1034 Views
I disagree. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:48:24 AM 1047 Views
Why would Shienarans have political clout? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:16:16 AM 1097 Views
We're in Shienar, aren't we? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:55 AM 962 Views
Saldaea. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:19:19 AM 955 Views
Dammit. Hm. Well, I suppose that does make him less likely, though not impossible beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:25:30 AM 1008 Views
You can't change your vote anyway. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:30:56 PM 586 Views
Oh, right. Well, OK. Everyone: Vote beetnemesis for Chair! A vote for beet is a vote for... um beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:39:15 PM 1002 Views
Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:19:34 PM 1013 Views
Re: Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:29:35 PM 1004 Views
Same benefit as every other Day. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:08:59 AM 976 Views
No way should you get triple voting powers BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:29:06 AM 914 Views
I do object ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:43:34 AM 948 Views
Sure, you can have it too . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:17:16 AM 957 Views
Well, kinda... ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:03:47 AM 1118 Views
That's true. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:20:17 AM 822 Views
Also, the circumstances are different BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:48:07 AM 928 Views
You should say doubly suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:18:50 AM 1049 Views
Yeah, No. Chair Vote: beetnemesis beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:48:44 AM 1024 Views
Huh. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:22:29 AM 883 Views
Mod clarification BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:37:52 AM 945 Views
I doubt it. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:39:16 AM 953 Views
Re: I doubt it. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:24:27 AM 692 Views
EBWOP: i.e. literally means "that is" BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:43:32 AM 970 Views
Well, I think you're misunderstanding. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:57:55 AM 862 Views
Yeah, likely means "Kill a DF at Night" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:36 AM 841 Views
No, he's right. 'Id est' is specification, not an example. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:27:54 AM 941 Views
Yeah, that makes me nervous too. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 02:46:19 AM 1011 Views
Probably he just copy-pasted from Fox's role message . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:09:44 AM 930 Views
It's my understanding that the Mod almighty does not make mistakes *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:44:43 AM 865 Views
He does, not many thankfully, which requires a lot of triple-checking Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:10:17 AM 984 Views
Wait, so you're saying that wasn't a mistake? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:26:15 AM 1112 Views
Isaac's changed it to "e.g." Berg. could not vote with the Darkfriends. *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:30:25 PM 471 Views
It looks like it has been corrected BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:33:56 PM 956 Views
Ah, okay. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:23:52 PM 1021 Views
my thoughts from last night ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:43:32 AM 1051 Views
Eh, just to change it from F-T: Chair Vote: ranagrande. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:56:15 AM 570 Views
I'm going to second this Talic - 26/04/2010 05:50:14 PM 1059 Views
some thoughts on the double NK fistofpainx - 26/04/2010 03:04:29 AM 1039 Views
Re: some thoughts on the double NK BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:09:00 AM 977 Views
Yeah, I don't think who ever's making the extra kills is pro-town. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:15:12 AM 855 Views
Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:20:48 AM 950 Views
Re: Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:55:00 AM 914 Views
Well to be fair Talic - 26/04/2010 05:48:10 PM 980 Views
Yuna (and George) didn't vote for Fox because they were part of the Saldaean Group. Others may be DF beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 AM 1081 Views
Well, I am not a Saldaean and I am not a DF either. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:54:48 PM 916 Views
Fox wasn't George because he had already claimed to be Saldean beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:28:38 PM 910 Views
Why just me and Katie? Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 01:13:40 PM 974 Views
It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:34:11 PM 878 Views
Re: It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:49:37 PM 1013 Views
Something else: fistofpainx and BlackAdder are very likely innocent beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:38 AM 957 Views
I think we have a decent shot at finding George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:41:40 PM 966 Views
True- I meant "Innocent" as in "Not a DF" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:53:13 PM 980 Views
Hypocop Table- Night 2 [Table] beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:42:46 AM 972 Views
I found ranagrande to be Innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:43:11 AM 610 Views
I found Darth_Katie to be guilty *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:04:45 AM 559 Views
Gher, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:48:47 PM 574 Views
i found Fanatic-Templar to be innocent *NM* Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:34:33 PM 585 Views
I found Darth Katie to be innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:49:40 PM 562 Views
Found Gher innocent *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:43:06 PM 610 Views
I found Gher to be Innocent *NM* Talic - 26/04/2010 05:51:53 PM 576 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 05:56:39 PM 578 Views
Really? The dead guy? Some cop you are *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:07:04 PM 548 Views
The cop wouldn't have known last Night that White Flame would end up dead. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:16:05 PM 1081 Views
Also, dead guys probably have a slightly higher chance of being hypocopped. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:22:59 PM 977 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:30:43 PM 556 Views
Amys- Innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 04:38:05 AM 611 Views
Fanatic-Templar- Innocent *NM* Amys - 29/04/2010 05:37:29 AM 535 Views
BlackAdder Innocent *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:35:47 PM 565 Views
kay so, here's what i know Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:42:19 PM 860 Views
What was your group decision? *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:36:58 PM 486 Views
That is... incredibly disappointing. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:25 PM 962 Views
My thoughts RE: George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:28:19 PM 1370 Views
right, everything i know then Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 08:49:17 PM 974 Views
so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 08:56:45 PM 558 Views
Re: so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:20:41 PM 1061 Views
And who did the actual killing? *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 09:32:00 PM 558 Views
Re: And who did the actual killing? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:38:39 PM 878 Views
So you can both channel? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 09:43:44 PM 1044 Views
i can't channel Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:49:54 PM 911 Views
*NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:01:40 PM 601 Views
lol! *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:46 PM 510 Views
Hmm BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:14:06 PM 1109 Views
i can't tell you the spesifics but Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:23:44 PM 1153 Views
And probably the sa'sara. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 10:31:31 PM 631 Views
No real reasons for killing Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:01:37 AM 998 Views
EBWOP: There was supposed to be a question mark on that title. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:21:45 AM 558 Views
it was the first night Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:03:03 PM 908 Views
Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:14:03 PM 1079 Views
Re: Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:21 PM 1001 Views
Yes, it really does matter beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:22:10 PM 917 Views
As a matter of fact... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:46:01 PM 976 Views
EBWOP: Notice how what Isaac says doesn't mean Fox was telling the truth about not being George. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:47:32 PM 568 Views
Ah! Thanks. That was bugging me. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:52:37 PM 993 Views
But there's not much we can do about it right now. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:49:50 PM 984 Views
I remain suspicious of you. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:44:59 PM 1050 Views
To be fair... people ALWAYS kill Hobo beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:54:14 PM 1032 Views
It sure seems to be the case. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:56:54 PM 1037 Views
I'd rather not discount warranted suspicions because someone can offer plausible justification. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 01:02:50 AM 975 Views
OK, I believe it BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:11:19 PM 917 Views
Why did neither you nor Bergioyn speak up when Fox claimed vanilla? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 01:41:35 AM 592 Views
Actually, that's a very good question. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 02:42:36 AM 603 Views
i don't know why Ber didn't Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:10:47 PM 1095 Views
Well, you knew he was lying, then. Why not vote him? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:09:55 PM 580 Views
because i thought he was simply lying about being a mason Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 08:27:00 PM 1007 Views
It would have been dumb of you to lynch a known liar? Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 08:32:15 PM 1033 Views
oh come on! Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 10:38:35 PM 1027 Views
The first night message I sent him... Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:15:29 AM 928 Views
Wrong game Isaac - 29/04/2010 07:25:23 AM 1065 Views
Oh right, that was Darth_Katie's game. Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:40:23 AM 915 Views
Oh... was I... a servant of some kind? Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:42:58 AM 894 Views
He was also lying about being a 'vigilante' BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:28:58 PM 1071 Views
She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:40:24 PM 1090 Views
Re: She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:51:44 PM 967 Views
Hobo also didn't vote or claim for Blaine. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:59:32 PM 944 Views
I, for one, STRONGLY doubt that Yuna is a DF beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:27:25 PM 969 Views
I also don't think she is in league with Fox et al. BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:00:56 AM 1041 Views
The same thing happened with Blaine, though beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:51:53 AM 1095 Views
I'll venture a guess as to what happened... ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:34:50 AM 893 Views
Re: I'll venture a guess as to what happened... Talic - 28/04/2010 03:04:43 AM 913 Views
Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:59:12 AM 845 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:26:43 PM 928 Views
EBWOP - Arguing against my own point BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:35:46 PM 1014 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters Talic - 28/04/2010 04:47:56 PM 989 Views
Do you know the specifics of how White Flame's power worked? *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 05:08:18 PM 513 Views
Nope =/ *NM* Talic - 28/04/2010 06:15:40 PM 585 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 06:11:27 PM 997 Views
Yes, I would. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:21:19 AM 923 Views
just for the record, that was Blaine *NM* ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:45:52 PM 589 Views
Ah, thanks. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:44:05 PM 572 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Gher - 26/04/2010 05:59:16 PM 891 Views
Re: Advocate Vote: Gher BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:09:50 PM 933 Views
Vote for Ranagrande for Chair Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:36:04 PM 977 Views
LOL, thought you were trying to change votes Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:57:20 PM 961 Views
Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:36:24 PM 991 Views
Chair Vote: Beetnemesis Gher - 26/04/2010 10:55:03 PM 997 Views
A few questions: Gher - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 PM 1018 Views
Re: A few questions: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:37:58 PM 1170 Views
Honestly, it's because I wasn't convinced. Isaac's deadline forced my hand beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:24 PM 921 Views
I didn't see Fox as all that suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 08:36:44 PM 963 Views
You and your deontological ethics . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 09:40:10 PM 601 Views
eh? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:42:30 PM 1081 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:41:42 PM 923 Views
Re: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:53:33 PM 940 Views
And you were willing to risk a no-lynch? Gher - 26/04/2010 10:46:31 PM 984 Views
I honestly did not think that far ahead. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:59:40 AM 1011 Views
But you didn't offer any real alternatives, or try and persuade us to leave Fox alone. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:05:44 AM 952 Views
I stuck to my principles, and that's that. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:30:36 PM 932 Views
Because killing is good for the town ranagrande - 27/04/2010 04:55:54 PM 917 Views
The question was rhetorical. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 05:05:18 PM 948 Views
F-T killed him for science ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:21:07 PM 1011 Views
Yes, my angle came only midway through that lynch. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:26:43 PM 1046 Views
To me it looks like you just waited for the deadline. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:52:37 PM 980 Views
"I honestly did not think that far ahead." <-------- This is pretty much the same excuse Fox used. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:57:34 PM 929 Views
I've answered this multiple times. I'm not going to bother again. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 06:14:29 PM 984 Views
Your answer just doesn't jive. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:01:24 AM 962 Views
What do you want me to say? Kronin al'Sulc - 28/04/2010 02:22:02 AM 970 Views
All right. *NM* Gher - 28/04/2010 02:30:33 AM 560 Views
. . . . Amys - 26/04/2010 10:20:09 PM 1099 Views
A Vigilante is a Serial Killer that only tries to kill DFs beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:27:04 PM 1059 Views
Isn't a vig protown? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:34:59 PM 982 Views
You know, I'm not sure. Can the town win with the SK still alive? *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:40:36 PM 580 Views
it dosen't look like it Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:44:34 PM 1053 Views
No. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:44:35 PM 1080 Views
They win with town, but they're not always good for the town. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 10:43:15 PM 542 Views
All right. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:51:42 PM 985 Views
Re: All right. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:58:44 PM 889 Views
I think it's meant to be ambiguous. Gher - 26/04/2010 11:00:19 PM 1005 Views
Re: I think it's meant to be ambiguous. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:04:36 PM 1016 Views
I will second that comment. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:04:02 AM 1030 Views
to be perfectly honest fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:02:07 AM 1059 Views
Well of course! If people don't vote, a lynch isn't going to happen. *NM* Gher - 27/04/2010 05:07:32 AM 563 Views
So, what next? ranagrande - 27/04/2010 12:00:10 AM 1011 Views
well, I'll show my hand if you show yours *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:03:56 AM 582 Views
Hold off, for now. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:06:47 AM 1021 Views
Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:02:50 AM 974 Views
Re: Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:01:12 AM 1031 Views
Yeah, but again, so what? Gher - 28/04/2010 02:00:29 AM 884 Views
I just realized something... ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:57:37 PM 948 Views
Hm. He could've been protecting someone else last night as well beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:42:27 PM 996 Views
Wow, spot on BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:06:36 PM 991 Views
Interesting angle. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:47:28 PM 963 Views
Re: Interesting angle. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:24:42 PM 1006 Views
That idea is actually very plausible. However... Gher - 27/04/2010 09:57:46 PM 927 Views
I could sign up for this plan... BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:03:23 AM 1013 Views
Yeah. That's not half bad, actually. *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:52:58 AM 538 Views
Fine. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:31:11 AM 877 Views
I don't like it either, to tell the truth. Gher - 28/04/2010 04:33:50 AM 867 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:35:43 PM 891 Views
EBWOP: double post and location Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:23:10 PM 878 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:39:07 PM 980 Views
I have no idea what's going on with George. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:21:16 PM 987 Views
If you don't mind me saying... Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:51:19 PM 868 Views
Ahhhhh, nice catch beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 07:28:03 PM 986 Views
Re: If you don't mind me saying... Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:20:31 PM 947 Views
I don't think he's a commoner BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:35:35 AM 894 Views
Berg was likely killed because Fox was lynched beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:34:04 PM 991 Views
Again, I say! Vote for beetnemesis- and maybe we'll get an Event! beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:46:12 PM 1006 Views
You might want to specify that you're asking for a Chair vote. Gher - 27/04/2010 07:04:27 PM 921 Views
Ahem. Right. CHAIR Vote for me! beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:53:14 AM 944 Views
I want to plug this one more time. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:09:52 AM 1016 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:46:14 AM 902 Views
It's the thought that counts. Well, sort of. beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 01:48:56 AM 922 Views
In my defense, you are anti-vegetable *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:59:25 AM 548 Views
Also, worst-case scenario... Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 02:40:50 AM 958 Views
The Event will be that Gher and I magnify each others' power and become as unto GODS beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:37:42 AM 946 Views
But yeah, I think I need one more vote- hey, quiet types! Chair Vote me! beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:40:38 AM 1079 Views
I'm starting to like this idea a lot too ranagrande - 29/04/2010 02:26:28 AM 974 Views
So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:59:04 PM 941 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:17:16 PM 925 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? Talic - 27/04/2010 11:50:06 PM 986 Views
She's RBIRL Isaac - 27/04/2010 07:31:21 PM 960 Views
Good to know... but doesn't exactly change things beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:35:30 PM 962 Views
You may have noticed Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:23:44 AM 946 Views
My point was more that we know nothing about you beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:51:00 AM 967 Views
Yunalesca: Gher - 28/04/2010 01:58:28 AM 1007 Views
Fox couldn't have been behind killing White Flame ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:19:19 AM 973 Views
Yeah, my bad. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:22:46 AM 1014 Views
Also: Gher - 28/04/2010 02:29:29 AM 878 Views
yes to several *NM* Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:25:56 AM 560 Views
EBWOP Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:27:53 AM 960 Views
More questions: Gher - 28/04/2010 03:52:20 PM 1041 Views
Re: More answers Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 07:40:27 PM 959 Views
You still haven't answered the most important one. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:06:47 AM 979 Views
Re: You still haven't answered the most important one. Yunalesca - 29/04/2010 11:33:48 AM 1006 Views
That's good to know ranagrande - 29/04/2010 03:12:48 PM 1003 Views
RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:30:26 AM 1033 Views
Re: RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Fox and Ravens - 28/04/2010 05:54:54 AM 1049 Views
Oh, Amys and Artsapat- hypocop, please beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 07:43:38 AM 1018 Views
RBIRL BlackAdder - 29/04/2010 08:46:11 PM 1010 Views
about the mass roleclaim ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:31:59 PM 1004 Views
Guys! 5 minutes left! beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 01:55:36 AM 996 Views
Goes to first one voted for. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 02:00:33 AM 577 Views
Re: Guys! 5 minutes left! Isaac - 30/04/2010 03:44:40 AM 1017 Views
Looks right to me. Oh, well. At least now I can start accusing people beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 04:34:51 AM 1001 Views
Random Values needed, C-11 thanks Isaac - 30/04/2010 04:36:26 AM 906 Views
C *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 04:43:47 AM 548 Views
11 *NM* Talic - 30/04/2010 05:46:13 AM 532 Views
Event: Lunch Interlude Day 3 Isaac - 30/04/2010 08:37:51 PM 937 Views
So, just so I'm sure I'm reading this right... beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:18:48 PM 937 Views
So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:24:56 PM 1006 Views
I think you're right about Artsapat ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:44:24 PM 997 Views
...that's right, I'd forgotten about that. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:09:28 PM 951 Views
You know, looking at your summary post.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/05/2010 04:56:38 PM 978 Views
Re: So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:32:54 PM 951 Views
EBWOP: I just saw that Black DID hypocop Today. I missed it when I glanced up. *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:36:56 PM 578 Views
Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:26:52 PM 870 Views
Re: Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? Yunalesca - 30/04/2010 10:52:27 PM 934 Views
by the way fistofpainx - 02/05/2010 06:32:44 AM 966 Views
it should be obvious Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 06:40:32 PM 1150 Views
Re: it should be obvious Amys - 02/05/2010 07:12:44 PM 1023 Views
Re: it should be obvious Artsapat - 02/05/2010 07:31:47 PM 874 Views
once again Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:41:56 PM 933 Views
RBIRL Gher - 01/05/2010 03:46:59 PM 983 Views
Yeah!! Go Jazz!! *NM* Hobo - 01/05/2010 09:49:49 PM 604 Views
Before we lynch anyone today Gher - 02/05/2010 09:57:25 PM 1059 Views
thats fine with me *NM* Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:27:31 PM 585 Views
I suggest lynch Artsapat, NK Darth Katie *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 12:45:45 AM 550 Views
I support this plan. ranagrande - 03/05/2010 02:59:11 AM 934 Views
That's fine, but it might be wise to take contingencies into account. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 03:02:10 AM 904 Views
Any suggestions? I can't see any contingencies for lynching Arty *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 03:42:06 AM 505 Views
Definitely Gher - 03/05/2010 05:07:02 AM 1055 Views
Why do you think mass roleclaiming is a good idea? beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 05:43:34 AM 940 Views
I don't. Gher - 03/05/2010 04:23:14 PM 944 Views
Sounds like a good idea to me. BlackAdder - 03/05/2010 03:23:21 PM 933 Views
I usually disagree with mass rolelcaims on principle. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 924 Views
Quick RP Mafia Note Isaac - 03/05/2010 03:00:14 AM 849 Views
Right, so Artsapat: beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 04:50:04 PM 817 Views
I still have no idea why we're supposed to trust Yunalesca now. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:17:39 PM 539 Views
Pretty much everything we've seen has confirmed her claims. beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 08:39:16 PM 974 Views
None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 09:08:13 PM 1016 Views
Hm. We could all hypocop her tomorrow? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:43:13 AM 1106 Views
Re: None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:12:16 PM 1016 Views
Not to mention that it's common for Darkfriends to accuse each other to divert suspicion. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2010 09:23:14 PM 1055 Views
She'll need a darn good explanation if she "goes off target" Gher - 03/05/2010 09:09:53 PM 912 Views
so what exactly makes artspat a good choice? fistofpainx - 04/05/2010 12:26:12 AM 975 Views
Well, here's my summary: beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 02:00:16 AM 987 Views
Come on, as I pointed out, the timing doesn't support that. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:44:37 AM 1098 Views
Basically, it's ALL part of the game beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:26:35 PM 943 Views
All right, I'll come clean Artsapat - 04/05/2010 08:21:36 AM 1000 Views
Fabulous Amys - 04/05/2010 09:20:07 AM 996 Views
Unvote ranagrande - 04/05/2010 01:02:27 PM 1025 Views
You couldn't have seen him dozing in a chair in his room. He spent the Night in Talic's room. Gher - 04/05/2010 03:38:40 PM 951 Views
No idea about the timing of my Night message. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 03:52:26 PM 978 Views
How long were you outside White Flame's window? *NM* Gher - 04/05/2010 05:09:24 PM 564 Views
No idea. Sorry Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:49:36 PM 924 Views
Re: No idea. Sorry BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:34:41 PM 1044 Views
...This is kind of weird beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 01:58:26 AM 875 Views
I am inclined to agree. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 02:20:26 AM 961 Views
He said he saw Bergioyn do it, unless I completely misread what he wrote. BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:47:02 AM 906 Views
Nope- you misread. Both Arty and Lunch #3 tell us that the Watcher didn't see the killer beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:26:25 AM 946 Views
The thing that makes me suspicious: Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:02:27 PM 986 Views
That's true... Hey! Did anyone else Watch White Flame (or track Berg)? If so, we could use your help beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:31:05 PM 980 Views
Re: ...This is kind of weird Artsapat - 05/05/2010 11:31:47 AM 1014 Views
So... you're saying that you heard Bergioyn die, just as he killed White Flame? *NM* beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:27:32 PM 539 Views
Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:29:36 PM 899 Views
Re: Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message Yunalesca - 06/05/2010 12:16:16 AM 1055 Views
Well, tbh, even that was stated by Isaac in the opening scene *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:38:45 PM 567 Views
^^^btw, that post is not actually an *NM* but I can't edit it *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:40:35 PM 545 Views
This was basically what I was getting at beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 11:36:07 PM 950 Views
Re: This was basically what I was getting at BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 12:06:52 AM 987 Views
According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... Gher - 06/05/2010 02:34:41 AM 981 Views
Re: According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:41:18 AM 878 Views
Or whomever found White Flame. Gher - 06/05/2010 04:22:20 AM 899 Views
Interesting. Unvote, for now beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:42:18 PM 916 Views
Re: Interesting. Unvote, for now BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:39:23 PM 884 Views
I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:50:04 PM 982 Views
Re: I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:59:35 PM 942 Views
Job security... so who are you working for? ranagrande - 05/05/2010 12:15:23 AM 994 Views
I am unable to do anything at all, every single night. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 01:36:57 AM 570 Views
So, are you claiming vanilla, then? Or Day Mason? *NM* Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:46:16 PM 537 Views
I'm not claiming anything. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 07:53:04 PM 959 Views
I think there was a role last game Isaac hosted that couldn't use their powers on consecutive nights Gher - 05/05/2010 01:47:38 AM 934 Views
Re: All right, I'll come clean BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:30:29 PM 990 Views
Some answers Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:43:49 PM 1190 Views
Vote: Artsapat ranagrande - 05/05/2010 02:08:06 PM 980 Views
Re: Vote: Artsapat Artsapat - 05/05/2010 02:21:59 PM 988 Views
Er... what evidence? You said that all you saw was White Flame was killed beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:22:03 PM 987 Views
Re: Some answers BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:22:47 PM 916 Views
You know, I don't like the details of your role... Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 03:26:20 AM 904 Views
Hmmm. . . Amys - 04/05/2010 09:30:27 AM 1030 Views
So you do have a bite Artsapat - 04/05/2010 12:09:35 PM 1036 Views
Who doesn't? Amys - 04/05/2010 04:53:56 PM 996 Views
Re: So you do have a bite BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:54:03 AM 966 Views
Eh. Roles are good... but what have they gotten us so far? beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:30:23 AM 890 Views
Yes, but having such a severe vote restriction, and no other powers as a townie, would suck. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:25:05 PM 555 Views
Isaac I'm just going to ignore Update 21 because it makes my head hurt *NM* beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:52:02 AM 529 Views
RBIRL - APs *sigh* Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:59:49 AM 1040 Views
RBIRL Yunalesca - 05/05/2010 04:19:43 PM 877 Views
Ok, so Artsapat, your story isn't totally adding up beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 01:57:09 AM 926 Views
Again... Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:02:49 AM 962 Views
EBWOP: "The Lunch ISN'T backing him up." *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:03:45 AM 571 Views
Yeah this is what I'm thinking as well Talic - 06/05/2010 02:44:59 AM 1209 Views
Yeah, a Watcher role that doesn't actually get any results? Gher - 06/05/2010 02:38:11 AM 963 Views
He's actually a Watcher/Tracker apparently. Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:44:20 AM 966 Views
To all the people voting Artsapat BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:56:15 AM 1050 Views
^^^i.e., Amys, ranagrande, Talic, Kronin al'Sulc (I think that means L-2 with a VNTL of 6) *NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 04:02:23 AM 929 Views
L-1, Ranagrande is Chair. Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:35:44 AM 1041 Views
Oh, well nevermind. Too late it seems. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:37:08 AM 514 Views
Yup, too late. BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:07:57 AM 1072 Views
So he's a Watcher/Tracker that doesn't actually get any results? How is that better? *NM* Gher - 06/05/2010 04:17:47 AM 569 Views
Eh. Sorry Arty, but the evidence has stacked up. Yuna, remember to kill DK beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 04:13:38 AM 932 Views
Hold up. DK really? Gher - 06/05/2010 04:25:04 AM 1032 Views
DK has some negative points against her BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:17:42 AM 1018 Views
watcher that does not see fistofpainx - 06/05/2010 04:15:48 AM 1031 Views
Twilight - Artsapat has been Lynched Isaac - 06/05/2010 04:50:35 AM 981 Views
Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Isaac - 06/05/2010 05:51:21 AM 970 Views
Indeed. Gher - 06/05/2010 06:21:58 AM 889 Views
Yeah, seriously. beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 06:31:57 AM 979 Views
Re: Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Artsapat - 06/05/2010 07:17:12 AM 969 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 07:22:40 AM 498 Views
Night Deadline extension Isaac - 06/05/2010 07:32:40 AM 1272 Views
RBIRL ranagrande - 06/05/2010 11:09:32 PM 907 Views
Whoa you guys are still playing? Sweet. I totally forgot about this. *NM* Marshall - 07/05/2010 09:40:26 PM 638 Views
Oh hell yeah, man. Fox and Ravens - 07/05/2010 11:03:26 PM 916 Views
Long time no see Isaac - 08/05/2010 01:35:23 PM 1057 Views
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