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Re: The fact that this is a serious topic of conversation these days is frightening. Vodalus Send a noteboard - 12/03/2025 11:15:56 PM

View original postThat so many seem to approve is cause for horror.

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View original postOne of the things all of us here can probably agree on is that the first month and a half or so of Donald Trump’s return to office has not been boring.

View original postI'm sure at some point in my life I wanted to live in interesting times, and if I could go back in time I'd throttle myself and then give the stupid child a long talk and a vial of estrogen.

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View original post1. Do you want the USA to continue on as a member of NATO?

View original postI don't know if it's possible for us to do so at present, but yes. And obviously so if the alternative is the psychotic flailing of the past two months.

Just 46 more months to go, if he lives that long. Maybe it’s just Ozempic face, but some of the close-ups from that speech made me wonder about his health.

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View original postMerz and Tusk have both expressed a desire to acquire nuclear weapons via nuclear sharing, with France or the UK providing the weapons.

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View original post2. Is this a development you support or find acceptable?

View original postI do not support the use of nuclear weapons, because I am not insane. I can think of one country that I would at present trust with them and does not have them. Even to Ukraine, which at present is the country I think most deserves them. It's also at present amomg the countries that should under no circumstances have them, though I'd swap Russian control of their nuclear arsenal to Ukraine with alarmingly little hesitation.

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View original post3. Are there any other countries you’d support or accept as becoming nuclear powers? And if so, which ones?

View original postCanada, without any hesitation, given Trump's increasingly frequent comments about annexation.

Yeah but if US intel uncovered a whiff of Canada trying to acquire nukes it would give Trump his green light to revisit 54-40 or fight.

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View original postIf you would like to flesh out your answers please do so. That’s it. Short and (bitter)sweet.

View original postI hate that we're here. I hate that intelligent people are cheering this on. US politics has become a game defined entirely by resentment of others.

I’m hoping that “but he hasn’t got anything on!” starts to come out of some Republican mouths. It might happen if the economy tanks.

View original postI'm so tired.

I think that’s part of the plan, the whole “flood the zone” idea.

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Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation Vodalus - 11/03/2025 02:05:20 AM 181 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation damookster - 11/03/2025 04:47:15 PM 46 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation Vodalus - 11/03/2025 09:48:32 PM 39 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation damookster - 18/03/2025 02:40:01 PM 31 Views

I agree with most of what you wrote here aerocontrols - 18/03/2025 02:55:08 PM 22 Views

Re: I agree with most of what you wrote here damookster - 18/03/2025 04:19:05 PM 22 Views

In both of those cases, though, at least you provided support to the defender in a war. Legolas - 18/03/2025 07:00:04 PM 19 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation Tom - 11/03/2025 06:19:01 PM 48 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation Vodalus - 11/03/2025 08:52:57 PM 35 Views

Some of this is fair enough - some, not so much. And the ending is... um. Novel? Legolas - 11/03/2025 10:57:41 PM 32 Views

This reads like a Jeremy Strong character running for minor office

*NM* TheCrownless - 14/03/2025 10:54:47 AM 7 Views

I guess I should reply also here. Legolas - 11/03/2025 11:21:16 PM 35 Views

Re: I guess I should reply also here. Vodalus - 12/03/2025 01:35:49 AM 31 Views

Ok, I can answer also from a wider long term perspective. Legolas - 14/03/2025 08:05:10 AM 28 Views

Re: Ok, I can answer also from a wider long term perspective. Vodalus - 18/03/2025 01:56:11 AM 29 Views

Re: Ok, I can answer also from a wider long term perspective. Legolas - 18/03/2025 07:25:45 PM 22 Views

The fact that this is a serious topic of conversation these days is frightening. Ghavrel - 12/03/2025 11:16:11 AM 39 Views

Re: The fact that this is a serious topic of conversation these days is frightening. Vodalus - 12/03/2025 11:15:56 PM 34 Views

I think it's largely irrelevant now TheCrownless - 14/03/2025 11:14:10 AM 37 Views

You’re probably right about that. Vodalus - 18/03/2025 04:50:24 AM 30 Views

Re: Thoughts on NATO and nuclear proliferation The Shrike - 14/03/2025 01:27:34 PM 33 Views

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<quote id="312517">
<quote id="312516">That so many seem to approve is cause for horror.</quote>

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">One of the things all of us here can probably agree on is that the first month and a half or so of Donald Trump’s return to office has not been boring.</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516">I'm sure at some point in my life I wanted to live in interesting times, and if I could go back in time I'd throttle myself and then give the stupid child a long talk and a vial of estrogen.</quote>

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">1. Do you want the USA to continue on as a member of NATO?</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516">I don't know if it's possible for us to do so at present, but yes. And obviously so if the alternative is the psychotic flailing of the past two months. </quote>

Just 46 more months to go, if he lives that long. Maybe it’s just Ozempic face, but some of the close-ups from that speech  made me wonder about his health.

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">Merz and Tusk have both expressed a desire to acquire nuclear weapons via nuclear sharing, with France or the UK providing the weapons.</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">2. Is this a development you support or find acceptable?</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516">I do not support the use of nuclear weapons, because I am not insane. I can think of one country that I would at present trust with them and does not have them. Even to Ukraine, which at present is the country I think most deserves them.  It's also at present amomg the countries that should under no circumstances have them, though I'd swap Russian control of their nuclear arsenal to Ukraine with alarmingly little hesitation.</quote>

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">3. Are there any other countries you’d support or accept as becoming nuclear powers? And if so, which ones?</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516">Canada, without any hesitation, given Trump's increasingly frequent comments about annexation.</quote>

Yeah but if US intel uncovered a whiff of Canada trying to acquire nukes it would give Trump his green light to revisit 54-40 or fight.

<quote id="312516"><quote id="312508">If you would like to flesh out your answers please do so. That’s it. Short and (bitter)sweet.</quote></quote>

<quote id="312516">I hate that we're here. I hate that intelligent people are cheering this on. US politics has become a game defined entirely by resentment of others. </quote>

I’m hoping that “but he hasn’t got anything on!” starts to come out of some Republican mouths. It might happen if the economy tanks.

<quote id="312516">I'm so tired.</quote>

I think that’s part of the plan, the whole “flood the zone” idea. 
</quote>

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