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I was kind of expecting to hear more from the experts you referred to. Legolas Send a noteboard - 11/12/2024 12:24:56 AM

View original postIf I strike you in the head with a blunt object, then subsequent to that act stab you, shoot you, and light you on fire, because you were still moving around, the blunt force trauma was not the primary cause of death. One of the other actions would be found to be it. Why? Because you were still alive and there's a chance you might have survived that alone.

View original postNeely was still alive when the first responders found him.

So what, the first responders killed him and it's their fault? I don't know where you're going with this line of argument, but for someone to be held responsible for a death (whether as murder, manslaughter, criminal negligence,...), it's certainly not required for them to be present at the moment of actual death. There's plenty of things that cause death more slowly, but that medical professionals may still not be able to avert during that time.

And in your example, supposing each of the four attacks mentioned was done by somebody else, it seems perfectly possible that each of the four by itself was sufficient to kill the victim even if they didn't do so instantly, in which case all four attackers could be found guilty of murder, not only the one who struck last or the one that worked the most quickly.

Clearly there was debate about the extent to which other factors outside of Penny's control contributed to Neely's death. But you seem to be taking a more radical position than even the defense in the trial, you're acting as if the choking was almost irrelevant? As I mentioned it might be that you're reading other articles with entirely different facts, or different statements from medical examiners, than those in mine, in which case I'd like to see those as well.

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The moral inversion of people who think that way is astounding. - 10/12/2024 03:44:15 PM 25 Views
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The involvement of other passengers is precisely why I'd doubt the need to continue choking him. - 10/12/2024 07:18:27 PM 26 Views
Re: The involvement of other passengers is precisely why I'd doubt the need to continue choking him. - 10/12/2024 07:38:53 PM 28 Views
That is not at all what I'm reading. - 10/12/2024 11:17:41 PM 27 Views
Re: That is not at all what I'm reading. - 10/12/2024 11:40:41 PM 31 Views
I was kind of expecting to hear more from the experts you referred to. - 11/12/2024 12:24:56 AM 26 Views
Well he was acquitted. So apparently 12 people agreed more with me than you. - 11/12/2024 12:51:51 AM 30 Views
12 people found that the state didn't meet its burden of proof. - 11/12/2024 09:48:00 AM 23 Views
Re: 12 people found that the state didn't meet its burden of proof. - 11/12/2024 02:27:17 PM 22 Views
I'm pretty sure OJ killed Nichole, though *NM* - 11/12/2024 03:47:57 PM 8 Views
I think a lot of people are joking, a lot are serious, and a lot--like me--have very mixed feelings. - 11/12/2024 09:51:57 AM 28 Views
Re: very mixed feelings. - 11/12/2024 02:47:45 PM 24 Views
Re: Do you think there are many people who truly see Mangione as a hero? - 11/12/2024 06:07:30 PM 20 Views
Oh, no! I might be a hypocrite! - 11/12/2024 04:11:05 PM 25 Views
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Here's the rub... - 12/12/2024 03:22:27 PM 24 Views

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