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I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/12/2024 11:54:59 PM

View original postAnd Xi wisely let Putin go first to test the waters of irredentism, enabling him to gauge the West’s response. China was supposed to woo Taiwan into a confederacy, a path they were on up until maybe 15 years ago, but the approach nowadays seems to be nothing more sophisticated than knocking Taiwan on the head and dragging her back to a cave to rape her.

I suppose they didn't expect Taiwan to grow so much more progressive so quickly - and the Taiwanese have seen what happened to Hong Kong so have zero desire to go the same way...

But yeah, between Taiwan's immense value to the global computer chips industry and the equally immense share of global trade that passes through the strait between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland and would be heavily impacted in the event of any war, even before any boycotts or sanctions come into play, China has to know that the second they pull the trigger on Taiwan, they're launching the biggest economic crisis in decades if not almost a century - perhaps big enough to put their own regime at risk. Even if they successfully conquered Taiwan, the price might still be steeper than they're willing to pay. Or so I hope, anyway...


View original postYeah, I’m fine with putting tariffs on China - all for it, really - but there’s a much better way of doing it than Trump’s plan. Changing the de minimus rules should be done as well. I will say Trump does have a knack for identifying or highlighting certain issues. I just happen to find most of his methods or tactics to deal with said problems counterproductive in the long run. And the inflammatory rhetoric and gratuitous insults don’t help at all. That’s mostly in regard to his foreign relations and trade policies. I kind of gave up on domestic issues a long time ago.

I'm not sure I can think of many issues he identified that are really new, weren't being discussed before? Though he highlights them more, sure, whether it's China or the EU countries' military spending... And yes, very counterproductive.
View original postHm, to the above I feel like we’re talking past one another a little bit. It seems like you’re applying or projecting a Western mindset on how things work. Or maybe it’s because I’m not. You are treating the general population of a country as the country. My take on things here is that China is working with local and often corrupt elites who are willing partners in offering up good deals to the Chinese, ones they know will fuck over their people and government, and so long as they get their cut they have no qualms about it. In really crude terms, the CCP elite are syndicate bosses, lesser CCP figures and foreign politicians in bed with the CCP are pimps. The general public, whether Chinese or foreign, are simply whores. Whores need only be obedient and productive. That’s not an attitude I hold or condone, mind. It’s merely descriptive. The point being China can get other countries to go along and do things not in their best interest by using leverage and influence. In the Chinese way of thinking, China isn’t just the center of civilization, it’s also the apex of civilization. They have vassals, and vassals should aim to please.

No doubt it's true I'm looking at it from a Western mindset, but I do also know enough about developing countries (my job involves business in Africa, to a large extent imports from China in fact) to be very aware of the corruption and extremely poor decision-making you're talking about.

However, many of the countries involved are still democracies, even if they're often rather flawed ones, or even when they're not, still the government has to keep an eye on public opinion to some extent.

Like if we go back to the Pakistan example, the big issue there now is the national electricity network - the Chinese built power plants at extortionate conditions, the national utility companies have no choice than to charge absurdly high prices for electricity and hamper the wider economy, except now more and more individuals and companies are going off the grid and getting their power from, ironically, solar panels imported from China. That's basically the whole country being confronted on a daily basis with the consequences of the bad deals some people in their recent governments have made with China - I do think that's going to have an impact and push Pakistan away from China, yes, if they don't soften those terms.

In other countries, maybe things haven't gone quite that sour yet and opinions of China are still more positive, but I think in the longer term it'll go the same way unless they change their approach, because so many of those Chinese investments, whether they're actually useful or not, are more expensive than the receiving government could actually afford.


View original postChina is not above demagoguery. It’s using grievance politics to foment anti-Western sentiment pretty much everywhere it invests and in the groupings and forums I listed earlier. It’s gained a fair amount of traction. Recent world events, i.e. Gaza, make it that much easier spread. A lot of this is disseminated in Chinese journalism and opinion articles which are made free to local media in Global South countries.

Yes - they aren't short of actually correct arguments to use, before even needing to make up anything. But that doesn't necessarily make those countries that much closer to China either.
View original postAs to war, I’m not sure it’ll come to that. The Chinese way is generally a subtle and insidious undermining of a foe’s psyche. I could be totally wrong about that, though. There’s no small amount of jingoism running wild on the Chinese internet.

Yeah, I heard that before. Of course it could also turn out more like the Cold War - but today's world is far more globalized and inter-dependent than it was in the 20th century, so most countries have far more to lose from such a thing. One shouldn't overestimate how rationally governments really behave, of course, but still...
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