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I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM

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Assuming that Tom does indeed possess proof that the current president of the USA was personally bribed by foreign companies, you find it 'ridiculous' and 'insulting' to suggest that he should provide such proof to competent law enforcement because maybe some things are bigger than his attorney-client privilege? Is this because of your 'all politicians are corrupt so we should just let them get away with everything' theories again?

While I'm not going to make any judgements on whether, ignoring laws, a lawyer in Tom's position should violate attorney-client privilege in order to share important information that would incriminate their attorneys, I will say that the privilege is essentially ironclad in positions like this.

So the question is then "should a lawyer violate a promise he has made to his clients, with the understanding that the attorney-client relationship undergirds basically the entire legal system and that he will be almost certainly be disbarred for the violation?"

I don't think it's ridiculous or insulting to say that he should, but I also think you're underselling the importance of confidentiality.

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon damookster - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 559 Views
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Re: I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. damookster - 03/12/2024 01:32:17 PM 266 Views
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How about this? aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 263 Views
Fully agree. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 117 Views
I don't believe he'd been sentenced for those crimes, yet, had he? Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:14:04 AM 288 Views
Per 'old news', his sentencing dates were Dec 12 for the gun charge and 16 for tax evasion aerocontrols - 04/12/2024 01:30:11 PM 275 Views
In that case, yes, your solution is a good one. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 03:58:32 PM 297 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. Ghavrel - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 285 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. damookster - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 277 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. Legolas - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 326 Views
I respectfully disagree. damookster - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 239 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 286 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term The Shrike - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 362 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 292 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* The Shrike - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 205 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 177 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. The Shrike - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 337 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. Legolas - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 295 Views
Le sigh The Shrike - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 336 Views
Make up your mind already. Legolas - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 304 Views
I listed his/the administration's achievements. What is there to debate? The Shrike - 08/12/2024 11:03:15 PM 336 Views
Debate tends to involve a back and forth, not just one side stating their views. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:58:22 PM 331 Views
Re: You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. Vodalus - 09/12/2024 04:28:58 AM 288 Views
That, and way overpromise on what can actually be achieved by cracking down on China. Legolas - 09/12/2024 05:12:49 PM 341 Views
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Re: Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Vodalus - 10/12/2024 10:46:13 PM 317 Views
I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Legolas - 10/12/2024 11:54:59 PM 373 Views
Re: I see what you're saying, but I think that approach only works in the short term Vodalus - 11/12/2024 04:11:09 AM 329 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat Tom - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 344 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat damookster - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 249 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally Tom - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 343 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. Legolas - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 256 Views
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Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 263 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. damookster - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 241 Views
I have a clearance aerocontrols - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 296 Views
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Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed aerocontrols - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 280 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed damookster - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 274 Views
Seriously? Legolas - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 337 Views
Re: Seriously? damookster - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 351 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? Legolas - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 332 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here Ghavrel - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 274 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. Legolas - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 299 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. damookster - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 277 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 181 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 289 Views
Hah, you got me! Legolas - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 266 Views
Re: Hah, you got me! Cannoli - 07/12/2024 04:52:06 AM 261 Views
It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Legolas - 07/12/2024 09:42:18 PM 350 Views
Re: It's true that both parties have contributed to the decline of political norms/courtesies, yes. Cannoli - 10/12/2024 11:18:52 AM 283 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore Cannoli - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 296 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore damookster - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 353 Views
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