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Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM

View original postCome on, Elizabeth. You know the answer. Because the Democrats have consistently portrayed themselves as the party of morality, the shining beacon of democratic order. Whereas Trump, as Dave Chappelle pointed out in a brilliant bit, openly states not only who and what he is, but who and what who and what all politicians are.

There's basically nothing that 'all politicians' have in common. Some things the large majority has in common, like having above-average cognitive intelligence (not necessarily above-average wisdom or common sense though!) as well as above-average-sized egos, but still one can think of obvious exceptions.

And as for Trump, pretty much nobody thinks that Trump is much like 'all politicians' - his supporters somehow delude themselves into thinking he's better, his opponents see that while his ego and greed may be even more titanic than that of most politicians, he's not much like them in the sense that he has very little actual interest in how to run a country, nor does he feel any pressure to pretend he does.

View original postNot anymore. Biden pulled back the curtain. They are all the same. Some just write better ad copy.

They are not remotely all the same - and with rhetoric like that, you're just begging to just keep getting worse and worse politics. Just because the system will never be anything remotely resembling perfect doesn't mean you should cheerfully abandon any and all attempts to make it better.

In this particular case, now that Biden so shamelessly abused his pardon power and while we all knew Trump was going to abuse it massively anyway as soon as he was back in power, he's now motivated to do so even more, this could be a good moment for a bipartisan crackdown on the presidential pardon power - maybe it doesn't have to go completely, but clearly it needs to be limited.

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 635 Views
I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. - 03/12/2024 12:53:15 PM 436 Views
I don't agree with that - it would've been a serious issue still. - 03/12/2024 05:56:18 PM 368 Views
How about this? - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 351 Views
Fully agree. *NM* - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 166 Views
I don't believe he'd been sentenced for those crimes, yet, had he? - 04/12/2024 07:14:04 AM 371 Views
Per 'old news', his sentencing dates were Dec 12 for the gun charge and 16 for tax evasion - 04/12/2024 01:30:11 PM 357 Views
In that case, yes, your solution is a good one. - 04/12/2024 03:58:32 PM 383 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 381 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 392 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 416 Views
I respectfully disagree. - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 319 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 366 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 443 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 379 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 264 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 222 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 428 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 373 Views
Le sigh - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 422 Views
Make up your mind already. - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 390 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 424 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 331 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 414 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 336 Views
I know it was factually true - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM 444 Views
Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 348 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 327 Views
I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 380 Views
Re: I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 08:08:50 PM 356 Views
Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 366 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 362 Views
Seriously? - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 429 Views
Re: Seriously? - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 450 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 419 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 360 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 381 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 358 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 223 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 368 Views
Hah, you got me! - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 352 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 376 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 435 Views

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