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Yeah, again a lot of annoying stuff... this season overall just might be even worse than the first. Legolas Send a noteboard - 24/09/2023 11:27:57 PM

View original post2:41 No Seanchan believes in cultivating a friendship between sul’dam and damane, because damane are not people. What’s more, the power imbalance and compulsory aspects of the relationship make friendship a hypocrisy. Renna was many things, but not a hypocrite. She did believe in being indulgent with her damane, but as to an obedient pet.

They made a point of making clear that damane aren't considered people in Renna's dialogue later, but yes.
View original postI think the show is more about demonizing the Seanchan and sul’dam, than developing real characters or telling a coherent story. Because they are stunning and brave in their defiant opposition to an institution that no white people anywhere, or primary speakers of the a decent language actually support, and no non-shithole countries actually practice.

Definitely coherence in any form is a long way from being a priority. I think they do want character development for the main characters, but aren't very good writers, have simplistic ideas, don't give a damn if they adhere to the books and certainly don't think things through the way you do.
View original post3:35 Why are all rooms on this show so huge? Why is the kennel of a single damane so big? Back in the Tower, it took me a couple of episodes to realize that Liandrin was not keeping Mat locked up in her own bedroom, but a prison cell, because the size made me think the former. The hotel room a couple of indigent farmboys could afford in Tar Valon, after a month of travel depleting their purses (and no entertainment skills to replenish them) was cavernous (and had a balcony! ). The novices’ quarters look to have room to practice gymnastics.

I was wondering the same thing about Egwene's cell specifically, but true, it applies to many other rooms we've seen too...
View original postFor the record, Lanfear is, objectively, a clown and an idiot. The other Forsaken do not take her seriously, except, perhaps the equally pathetic Semirhage, and everyone she tries to manipulate in the books blows her off and runs their own game, generally to her detriment. I have yet to see any evidence that the writers of this show are aware of that, since the first time her name was spoken, it was in close proximity to a description of her as the most dangerous of the Forsaken. Which she is, only in the sense of her generally unhinged mentality, not because of any level of competence.

There's no way these writers would want to depict Lanfear as a clown like in the books.
View original post7:58 Why is he acceding her condition? First of all, trying to isolate someone and make them dependent on you is the mark of an untrustworthy person who likely does not have your best interests at heart (of course, in the books, that was much more Moiraine’s MO than Lanfear’s). Secondly, it’s just sending a message that he can be manipulated. Rand ITB did not let Lanfear know that he cared about anyone, specifically to prevent her targeting them. He would cite their utility or feign indifference. He did NOT respond to threats toward them. Also, it is proving her right in her claim that he always tries to push people away to protect them. Third, the best way to handle two persons of dubious trustworthiness, and competing agendas, is to play them off each other. Bounce what Lanfear says off Moiraine and vice versa, which is something Rand understood long before he even realized he could channel (everyone discussing the first season of the show made a big deal about aging the characters up and also their having sex lives as evidence of that maturity, but they are so much less mature or sophisticated in so many ways than the book versions, that I don’t see the point) Finally, the only way to protect Moiraine at all for certain is to stick close to her.

That certainly didn't much follow the 'plan' they'd made before he went into the dream, did it? Though odds are the writers already forgot about that by now anyway.
View original post8:13 Setting aside Moiraine’s motives, I would have serious questions about HOW she moved Logain. See, in the books, Rand knew she was in cahoots with Siuan. He’s never even seen the Amyrlin on the show.

Probably because she's supposedly awesome and the Tower in this series is utterly inept, with the exception of Liandrin for some reason?
View original postWhat is the point of taking a feminist approach to WoT if they are going to undermine the ways the setting is under female influence at every turn?

A very good question. Every time Tom comes in to complain that the wokeness has ruined the series, I think that firstly, it would've been perfectly possible to make it woke but a lot better than this, and secondly, between the random nonsense like the fridging of Perrin's wife, the utter nonsense that is their worldbuilding and their terrible judgement in the changes made to Moiraine and others, it's doing a pretty poor job at being woke in the first place.



View original post16:44 This better be a dream, or the whole thing is bullshit. Either the a’dam is pathetic or Egwene’s strength of will has been taken up to Mary Sue levels.

I'm pretty sure it already was at Mary Sue levels in the books.



View original post23:25 WTF is this? Lan is not bonded to Alanna, so far as we know. He has sworn no oaths to her, and has just now stated that legally, he is still Moiraine’s warder. So why are they being all menacing about him leaving. Because the way this group has been depicted so far on the show, the strong subtext here is “We might not have got to rape Steppin, but by the Light, you sure as shit are not getting away.”

View original postActually, I want to restore Lan’s established proficiency by watching him open a can of whoop ass on these tiresome freaks.

That whole plotline has sucked for a while, but the part where Alanna's warders suddenly accused him, without even the slightest basis, of being a Lanfear worshipper was when it truly jumped the shark...



View original postAlso, also, pursuant to my first point, having Ryma believe the truth simply because Our Heroines told her so robs them of development by squandering an opportunity to demonstrate or discover powers of persuasion. Most importantly, it utterly violates the most important themes of the series!

Yeah... as we see later on, just about everything in the Ryma plotline is, once again, terrible.
View original postI am also curious how Lan’s confession to Alanna got him Siuan’s itinerary and permission to go to her. Where was she, where was he and the Pervert Trio? What are timelines again?

Time is an illusion to these writers - as is geography.



View original post39:34 I guess this is another case of “Eh, fuck season 1, just go with EotW.”

At times like these I regret not knowing what exactly you're talking about - but I'm not going to rewatch it just to find out and anyway from last time I did try that, I recall that my timestamps seem to be different than yours anyway...



View original post45:18 How do the writers of this show not understand the properties of water? First Alanna has trouble believing that ice was once water, and now Renna tells Egwene to turn steam into fire. Steam is water. It is not fire. They are the exact opposite, from a classical elements, or Five Powers, perspective.

Indeed, this is just a physics fail more than anything else...
View original post47:00 Overall, that was a pretty decent scene. Up until the end, when Renna started whaling on Egwenefor no reason. Again, the deal with the Seanchan is that they are very competent, and have established procedures and protocols that they follow, because these are proven methods. Having Renna just lose her shit and beat her damane physically, rather than use the a’dam to give her pain, not to mention visibly getting agitated, is incompetent training.

Yeah, the implication seems to have been that she was frustrated because she was sure the tree thing would've persuaded Egwene somehow... which firstly makes no sense anyway and secondly, indeed, if her frustration tolerance is that low, she'd never have made it to that position in not only the books but any halfway decent show worldbuilding.



View original post52:43 By marrying an established, ruling queen, Barthanes, whose family was so recently in such ruin that his mom had to beg for leftovers, takes over the country as jure uxoris king. This setting just gets more and more feminist every day.


View original postThere is the outside chance that king merely means a consort instead of ruler, as queen does in real life, but they have done none of the work to establish that, or make us think so for any but metatextual reasons.

Agreed.
View original post53:21 Did we just drag every Aes Sedai with lines out of the Tower for this scene? How much time has elapsed while Moiraine finished that letter, that the Amyrlin would make a detour to Tar Valon, pick up all these sisters last seen there, and then travel overland to Cairhien? Because we cut from Moiraine addressing her latest draft, to Lan intercepting Siuan on the road. Seriously. What are timelines?

In case you missed it, earlier this season it was established that on this show, Tar Valon, Cairhien and that random cabin somewhere in Kinslayer's Dagger are all in sufficiently close proximity that you can travel between them in just a matter of hours - or at least, without having slept and without looking like you've pulled an all-nighter in the process. Rand and Moiraine made it to Cairhien from the cabin, Lanfear/Selene made it to TV, then there were even several more scenes in Cairhien before Rand finally went to sleep and met Lanfear in TAR.

I suppose in fairness, Lanfear could and would just have Travelled that distance in the books, but that's not a thing yet on the show where she did actually need to get a horse.



View original post1:00:41 Ryma, allegedly bound by the Three Oaths, is killing a woman she knows to be a victim, to prevent herself from being taken alive. This. Should. Not. Happen.

Not even killing so much as pointlessly torturing, looks like... or killing in a super inefficient way, anyhow.
View original post1:03:57 See! We can’t even go a whole minute without someone reaffirming how awesome Egwene is.

View original postI mean, based on what we see of them in the books, I would not take bettering a Sitter for the Blue Ajah as much of an accomplishment. Rank does not equate to character, either.

In fairness, there are scenes in the later books where Egwene is praised by Sitters / prominent Aes Sedai in almost as idiotic a way as here - but yes, at least there she had already developed as a character and as a leader, however annoyingly so.
View original postTwo episodes to go. What's the story of this season? Besides Egwene, what the arcs of the actual main characters from the series? Perrin gets to wolfbrother, but what about all the other episodes? Mat ... exists. Rand had a channeling lesson. He hooked up with Lanfear and now it looks like he has a makeup date for his audience with the Amyrlin that never happened. And what mechanic are they going to use to get Mat back into the plot? Is he going to help Rand get away from the Aes Sedai or something? Are we going to get another month-long time jump for the two of them to get to Falme? What are Nynaeve and Elayne going to do all that time if they do?

Liandrin took the girls through the Ways to get to Falme - but these writers are perfectly capable by having Rand go there simply on horseback and arrive in a day or two, and never mind that someone actually did mention just how far Falme was from Tar Valon.
View original postIt's not like there is any point really in speculating. They generally don't feel constrained by such arbitrary standards as logical character progression, coherent story development, the books, or making sense.

Indeed.
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Yeah, again a lot of annoying stuff... this season overall just might be even worse than the first. - 24/09/2023 11:27:57 PM 142 Views

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