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Do you have sources for that 'far more conservative and far more religious' claim? Legolas Send a noteboard - 09/08/2023 07:35:50 PM

View original postThe extremists pushing the trans ideology, by way of example, are alienating the vast majority of the country. The pushback has already started and I think it will only be a matter of time before a Federal law shuts down "gender affirming care" (mutilation) of minors. Not only that, but we're now seeing the first lawsuits by children who realize that they were chemically castrated by unscrupulous virtue signaling monsters, and when the huge damages verdicts start coming down the whole thing will get shut down.

I agree to some extent with the first sentence but not so much with the predictions after that. It's not like trans people are just going to up and disappear, nor does it seem likely that the debate about puberty blockers / transitioning teenagers will end in a blanket ban. But certainly things have been moving very fast, arguably too fast for healthy scientific consensus to emerge as to what should be done when, what criteria to use for evaluating gender dysphoria and the like. And yeah, also on the right balance to strike in women's sports as you refer to further down - though let's face it, it's rather sad how people who never gave a damn about women's sports before (I don't mean you) are now using that as a cudgel to beat all trans people with.
View original postThe correction in academia will take longer because too many people without a proper education have gotten too many meaningless Ph.D.s from too many mediocre and terrible universities to reverse the damage quickly. However, there are signs that this is changing too, because the irrelevance and lack of anything approaching a rigorous foundation on the part of gender studies, etc., is causing real intellectuals to realize that the courses of study have become hopelessly watered down. This, combined with the way parents in low-income school districts are realizing that the flight from objective standards is hurting their children and creating a new form of slavery, will cause a slow correction.

I guess you don't care about the lack of anything approaching a rigorous foundation when it comes to feeding students propaganda that leads them to wear red, white and blue and chant "My pronouns are USA", though...

There's certainly a lot of worrying trends in education, but considering the rate at which the world is changing, the answer is definitely not to just wax nostalgic about the good old days and think that'll fix everything. I remember at one point in the 2016 election there were some signs that Republicans were seriously looking at how to adjust school curricula in a forward-facing way, but since then I've heard precious little about American education that wasn't all culture war all the way.

View original postNothing lasts forever, and "trends" never continue in the same direction forever.

Agreed.
View original postI also see that the younger generation is far more conservative and far more religious than the previous generations. While I can't say for certain what religion people will choose, it's clear that the main religious faiths aren't withering away; they're finding new life. It's also amusing to see how the Left is panicking over the fruits of its ersatz alliance with Muslims after 9/11. Those Muslims realized that they're a hell of a lot more conservative than the Left thought they were, and they are rightly infuriated that schools are trying to push a rabid trans agenda on their children.

As mentioned in the title, I'm rather doubtful about the first sentence, except on certain specific points. For instance, it is certainly a fact that today's teenagers are starting to have sex significantly later than earlier generations, which could be considered more conservative in a way, though obviously at the same time they are also far more likely to identify as LGBTQI and various other terms that many adults wouldn't even know. But as far as I'm aware, see also the link, the trend away from religion hasn't been reversed, even if it has slowed down and the main religions aren't fading as fast as some had anticipated.

Though as for Muslims, well, yes, over here in Europe we've long been a bit mystified by American liberals' delusions about all kinds of minorities happily banding together and all supporting each other's causes. It was never going to be that easy.

View original postIt's about common sense over extremism, and I think that America is righting itself. If someone wants to legally change his name from William to Lia then ok, we can call him Lia. But that doesn't make "him" a "her" or give him a right to participate in women's swimming. If he wants to dress like a woman that's his right, but that doesn't mean it's ok for him to go into a women's bathroom or walk around naked in glitter in front of an elementary school (if he wants to go to the Pride Parade in Greenwich Village naked, though, it's the parents' fault if they bring their kids and don't want them seeing that). What's so difficult about that?

I do think Tyr has a point in the sense that on more and more points, your 'common sense' is no longer common at all. Part of that is specifically American socio-political polarization, part is a wider global trend with thanks to social media and globalization. And while I agree with you that nothing lasts forever, action leads to reaction and all that, I'm really not sure what the synthesis will end up being.

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Do you have sources for that 'far more conservative and far more religious' claim? - 09/08/2023 07:35:50 PM 250 Views
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