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Word vomit that is completely false and full of irrelevant asides is not a summary fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/07/2022 09:57:30 PM

Biden could be the worse president in history (somehow) and it would be totally irrelevant to whether Trump committed crimes in the period before Biden was inaugurated. So I'm going to spend 0 time on any of that.

Buried in there (conveniently) you argue that the evidence was hearsay. You don't find it remotely curious that none of the people claiming all this testimony is false are willing to do so under oath? We're supposed to believe their tweets and statements on various news shows as truth, now?

If everything the committee is saying is made up, that's going to come up in any case against Trump, and he will prevail in the courts. But even cursory engagement with the evidence presented makes it clear that there's no doubt at all about what he did and said in pretty much every instance. In the case of the Raffenspurger call, there's a recording of the damn thing. In the case of the various White House meetings, the members in those meetings are on record, and there are contemporaneous notes from multiple participants which line up.

None of this is hearsay. Nor is it hearsay that Bill Barr and a bunch of other officials told Trump in no unequivocal terms that his claims of fraud were bullshit. It's them reporting their own words to him, that isn't hearsay, that's just what they said.

If you're under the assumption that any prosecution of Trump would be to prevent him winning, you gotta explain why every Republican alive today is hoping he won't declare his candidacy before the 2022 midterms. Is Biden unpopular? Sure. What's the one thing that will make victory for him very easy to envision? Having Trump on the ballot in 2024.

If anything, I'd say Merrick Garland's slow walking this prosecution is what threatens to appear to be a political decision. Keeping Trump on the ballot is the Democrats best strategy for winning 2024.

Thankfully, they seem to be getting aware, for the most part, that not prosecuting with this much evidence harms everyone much more, and not just in one election.

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Prosecute Trump? - 14/07/2022 09:18:24 PM 460 Views
I would be surprised, but not shocked if there was an indictment. - 14/07/2022 09:26:45 PM 143 Views
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I fear you are right. - 14/07/2022 10:17:40 PM 134 Views
Let me sum up the case. - 14/07/2022 09:44:20 PM 167 Views
Word vomit that is completely false and full of irrelevant asides is not a summary - 14/07/2022 09:57:30 PM 139 Views
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Sure - 15/07/2022 02:48:19 PM 160 Views
Parody account: face reality edition - 15/07/2022 03:09:48 PM 145 Views
Broken record. Try another track. - 15/07/2022 09:59:22 PM 134 Views
Take your own advice, parody account - 16/07/2022 02:17:34 AM 135 Views
The Secret Service deleted texts from 6th Jan..now I wonder why... - 19/07/2022 08:20:26 PM 155 Views
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It's like you're on a sugar high - 20/07/2022 04:50:29 AM 150 Views
This is an excellent point. - 20/07/2022 05:05:27 AM 143 Views
Thanks! - 20/07/2022 07:42:09 PM 147 Views
Re: It's like you're on a sugar high - 21/07/2022 02:32:47 PM 161 Views
Take your own advice, parody account - 16/07/2022 02:17:34 AM 147 Views
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LOL okay. - 15/07/2022 09:10:36 PM 145 Views
You are missing the entire fucking point. - 16/07/2022 12:53:59 AM 142 Views
No, you are. - 16/07/2022 02:13:57 AM 141 Views
As will the fact that being Italian born and living in Canada means you have no dog in this hunt. *NM* - 16/07/2022 02:40:09 AM 80 Views
Live in the US now son. - 16/07/2022 01:42:41 PM 131 Views
Agreed with Dragonsoul - 16/07/2022 07:39:57 PM 139 Views
Re: Agreed with Dragonsoul - 17/07/2022 05:43:21 AM 145 Views
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That's not entirely fair - 15/07/2022 01:10:25 PM 135 Views
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Yeah exactly - 15/07/2022 12:12:19 AM 139 Views
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Regarding the elections... - 15/07/2022 07:28:07 PM 178 Views
as always, - 15/07/2022 08:34:45 PM 154 Views
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You think Trump should have been removed from office over Ukraine? - 21/07/2022 02:44:40 PM 129 Views
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To Go Baroque here - 15/07/2022 07:32:27 PM 143 Views
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