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The Vader-Obi Wan fight was trash. Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 02/06/2022 05:25:52 AM

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I find it hilarious that the browser's spell-check recognizes Obi-Wan Kenobi and so many other Star Wars names as legit words (not Sith though, despite it not being a word invented by Lucas).

03:00 Okay, why is Obi-Wan so desperate to get ahold of Qui-Gon? He managed for over a decade after his death. Qui-Gon is not some essential aspect of his career, without whom he is incapable of performing as a Jedi. It feels like something they thrust into the story to be a weakness, to either set up a surprise guest cameo by the voice of Liam Neeson, or for Obi-Wan to suddenly realize he does not need Qui-Gon, he’s always been able to stand on his own. Because good storytelling is knocking a character’s growth back so you can make them earn their way back to a point they had already accomplished?

05:19 I could not be less interested in Reva’s motivations. This scene has done nothing except jangle a Darth Vader-shaped set of keys at the audience.

06:30 Another flaw in the continuity (though perhaps deliberate) from this pairing of Obi-Wan and Leia is his failure to ascertain, or do anything about, her Force abilities. The inferred rationales from the movies made sense. They had to split up the kids for their protection, and Luke needed guarding more than Leia, since she was in the presumably capable hands of Bail and his wife. Thus, regardless of the possibility that Leia might be able to be a Jedi, it makes sense for them to put their hopes in Obi-Wan training Luke, not least because he will also have less things tying him to the world, fewer distractions or other priorities to shed. But I have a bad feeling that this is going to criticize Obi-Wan for not training Leia because patriarchy or some bullshit.

06:52 Why is an unmanned cargo ship so empty? You’d think they’d maximize the space for profit.

07:20 Better question: Why is an automated cargo ship have such an empty wasteland as a regular stop?

11:17 Fifth Brother & Reva came to Tatooine in the same ship. So how was he at their HQ already when Reva flies it in?

17:32 Come on, Obi-Wan, this is the time to insert a speech describing Leia’s real mother in terms she will repeat back to Luke in RotJ.

19:00 I kind of like that they aren’t keeping up with old Expanded Universe notion that the Empire had some sort of anti-human bigotry. There was no sign of that in the movies, and we can infer from the prequels, the human-only Imperial military was because humans were the initial cannon fodder for the armies that would become the basis of the Empire, and there would have been no reason to recruit non-humans when the logistics were all planned and set in place for a human military.

19:15 And Obi-Wan was right to be wary of catching a ride with this guy. Leia was wrong again. Because she’s a kid, and this is to be expected. This is actually rather refreshing.

19:39 Don’t EVER say you were visiting family unless you have people who will admit to being your family! It’s the easiest thing to check up on! Of course, that could be saved by the fake Jedi from last episode coming through and his contacts showing up late. We’ll have to see.

19:44 Protocol 23 could also be something innocuous, like a background check, but they’re trying to fake us out with the music.

20:52 Small children make absolutely lousy human shields. IDK why that’s even a thing people hesitate over, when even center mass on the trooper is above her head, and the consequences of getting stopped are so dire.

20:59 Do like Richard in the Season 3 finale of Boardwalk Empire! Do it!

21:15 Yess!

21:39 I don’t want the plurality of female personnel in this new group to mean they are Haja’s friends. I really don’t.

21:59 Okay, just the one. That’s better.
Also, was that Indira Varma?

23:43 That droid being called “Lola” in a Star Wars context makes me think of Weird Al’s song “Yoda” to the tune of “Lola”.

25:35 Before I even have time to process how I feel about a Jedi Underground Railroad, they are making grave operational errors. You do not tell anyone, the final destination, ever. Ideally, she should not even know where they are going. Someone manning a way-point or safe house in a network like this should not even know where the pilot she hands them off to is taking them. But even if it’s unavoidable, because she’s a big shot in the organization or whatever, she still should not be talking, especially to someone who has not been seen to use the Force by a single member of the network, and has, in fact, been using distinctly non-Jedi methods to fight in front of both Haja and this Imperial mole (who, contrary to the usual practice of this show, is not even given a name in the subtitles).

26:25 I suppose if I had watched all the cartoons, I’d know who Quinlan was, but now I can’t help but think of Quinlan from “The Strain” who was their version of a dhampir. Who would have been smart enough not to sign his name to a covert safehouse.

27:41 The mute loader droid feature makes no sense.

28:16 Obi-Wan should not suck this much. Just because she’s a good guy is no reason to use Leia’s real name, something he should be especially conscious of after his slipup with the troopers. And what does getting ready even entail? Does she need to pack?

28:29 No, she really won’t make a good fighter one day. She’ll have the demonstrably worst performance of any leader of the Rebel Alliance or Resistance, leading people into a lot of traps and mortal danger her brother will have to rescue them from. But at least she’ll be sassy!

28:45 The Empire was proclaimed in the same speech declaring the Jedi traitors who attempted an insurrection. If you love Jedi, the Empire has never stood for anything but enmity to them from day one.

29:19 Is Vader here? Is the sentence he never finished upon feeling Obi-Wan on the Death Star, “a presence I have not felt since Mapuzo?”

30:16 Let the ruining of yet another OG Star Wars character commence.

40:59 As weak as that confrontation was, I think they did a good job of setting up Vader’s motivation to prolong it, instead of just killing Obi-Wan out of hand, as well as the means he intended to torture him becoming the method to facilitate his escape. But the storm troopers being stopped by that weak fire that didn’t even extend all that far to either side was pretty pathetic. Maybe if there had been more substantial obstacles than a hill of sand it would have worked.

So Obi-Wan is just going to lie there while slow-walking loader droid gets help, and they pack him onto a ship. Fifth Brother is just gonna call off the search because the writers are tired of this desert planet.

And the sinister cliffhanger of Reva capturing Leia is both kind of suspect, that Leia never got eyes on her once in the prior episode to recognize her, and also that we are supposed to believe a character who makes it to the original movies intact is in any danger, or that this clown of a villain poses any danger to Obi-Wan, even with Leia in her possession.

According to the credits, that was Hayden Christensen in the Vader suit. To which I have to ask “Why?” Just put a stuntman in it. James Earl Jones’ voice seems stronger than Rogue One, I’ll give them that. And Zach Braff was the guy voicing, or wearing the motion-capture suit for Freck the friendly Imperial loyalist mole man truck driver. At least a lot of these cameos in these shows have the famous person disappear into the role instead of being a distraction (like, say, Ed Sheeran in Game of Thrones).


Absolute, complete garbage. It was three lightsaber swings and Obi Wan running in circles. How do you go from Mustafar to that? Granted, that was the same problem I had with Mustafar to A New Hope, but this was just downright awful when it actually could have been good. And don't get me started on how Niobe from Rome, a Droid, and some fire were able to safely evac Obi Wan when Vader was literally 15 feet away.

Also Vader killing people for no reason was stupid and largely out of character. Vader killed and tortured people for sure - but there was always a reason behind it. Need information, following orders, purging the younglings so they don't grow up and kill him, etc. But just going through a town and killing villagers for no reason? Disney is just trying to make the Empire cartoonishly evil now and it comes at the cost of iconic characters.

The only good thing Disney has produced in the Star Wars universe is the Mandalorian (and maybe Rogue One). Everything else has been utter trash that destroys the storyline entirely and really damages iconic characters in a way they can never be rehabilitated.

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The Vader-Obi Wan fight was trash. - 02/06/2022 05:25:52 AM 112 Views
Re: The Vader-Obi Wan fight was trash. - 02/06/2022 05:37:05 AM 136 Views
I agree generally - 02/06/2022 03:44:21 PM 115 Views

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