Active Users:1741 Time:23/11/2025 01:40:00 PM
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM


I always hate these type of thought experiments (nothing personal) for it assumes good faith.

No worries and I agree, we absolutely do not live in the ideal. While most may adhere to good faith, history shows us that some humans inevitably will not. That's why I included the caveat.



BUT NO ONE LIKES THAT,

Hell, right? Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually have some trust in our gov't? This is why Idk what to do. Gotta fix the trust problem before we can work on fixes we can agree to, otherwise we distrust so that cooperation becomes impossible.



We do not want minors who go to Juvie to have a criminal record after they are 18 or after they are 25

And as usual with leftie policies, I can agree with the intent but I heavily disagree with the actual policy; all these soft-on-crime prosecutors merely encourage more youth to commit crimes.

Then again hard-on-crime prosecutors lock up 16 yo black kids with .5oz of pot for 30 years.

I just don't know.



Thus we imagine an ideal father, an ideal system, a mandatory service. This ideal space...

There's times your way annoys me to no end, but hot damn if you don't put things well sometimes.



Person 1: "laws can't do anything to keep powerful weapons out of the hands of the public yet simultaneously the state also has the capacity to create good fathers and transform the spiritual lives of its citizens"

Person 2: (in response) "The unconscious desire for a lawful Father overriding every contingency is very powerful, from where I sit." ... "yet this fantasy is also the unconscious disavowal, is also a disavowal of living actual fathers—not the one created in the image of a God."

Put another way we retreat to fantasy for we feel the present is unbearable, we do not think we can change the unbearable present, so only via the retreat to fantastical (aka things that are so unlikely to happen) can we fill whole again. Via retreating to fantasy we can provide the cathartic relief, the relief of our strong emotions we feel fervently inside. :disapprove

Yes I am FUN at parties!


I mean, it sounds like I'd have fun at your parties...

Regardless, I agree with you here as well; I would merely say this is yet another point towards the "the modern world's fucked" concept I'd alluded to earlier. We've removed actual fathers and actual community, and given the ruined families and communities a false idol that will save them.

The government won't save you. The government can't do everything.

And when it can't, we need community and family.



I have not been following this closely but there is a current Supreme Court case...

Who knows what this current 9 justices will do shrug


Well fuck me sideways, I understand the argument and get it, but holy shit that's a bad look.

This message last edited by TyrReborn on 01/06/2022 at 01:51:19 AM
Reply to message
If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2029 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 708 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 753 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 726 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 672 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 754 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 659 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 689 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 668 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 683 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 737 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 696 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 773 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 689 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 679 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 684 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 773 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 639 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 738 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 668 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 749 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 678 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 730 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 719 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 701 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 665 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 697 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 631 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 762 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 362 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 724 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 744 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 663 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 347 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 661 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 667 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 661 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 667 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 651 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 678 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 732 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 712 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 813 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 660 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 727 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 665 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 729 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 641 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 670 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 684 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 665 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 662 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 335 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 698 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 653 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 595 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 651 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 724 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 318 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 638 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 700 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 587 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 713 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 648 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 670 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 635 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 688 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 665 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 644 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 660 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 697 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 713 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 667 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 674 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 641 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 686 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 761 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 635 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 635 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 615 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 658 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 643 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 658 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 642 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 639 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 738 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 673 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 738 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 665 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 683 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 617 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 633 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 689 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 669 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 659 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 658 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 670 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 708 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 674 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 793 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 752 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 625 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 693 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 341 Views

Reply to Message