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Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM

I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

It is literally madness and in such a situation I do not think we can "pre-write" a priori what we would do in such a situation. We just need to be humans and have grace and understand in such a hell remember this too is human and do what we must and hopefully we will support each other in this hell.


I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Yes. To my understanding this is considered the best practices of how cops are trained right now. Now how these specific cops were trained, and did they follow their training, etc, etc. I am purposefully drifting off here for we do not know at this time.


Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.


If the internet is to be believed, people who were at the actual site of the Uvalde school actually suggested stuff like that. Who knows if this actually occurred. I am not watching the videos writting down notes for there is only so much of hell I can take with my raw exposed nerves.

I will not still like either man but it would be a wonderful thing for my Governor Abbott, or President Biden to pay money / workers and do an actual investigation of what happened. I do not expect this to happen, I hope to be surprised. Government may be limited but investigations is one of its jobs, not just providing peace and something that is like justice.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 968 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 264 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 226 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 248 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 221 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 271 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 225 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 236 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 240 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 228 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 213 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 249 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 267 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 234 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 226 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 232 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 230 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 214 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 251 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 231 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 265 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 239 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 234 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 232 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 237 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 235 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 260 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 214 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 219 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 150 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 243 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 218 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 251 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 153 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 228 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 225 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 150 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 220 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 232 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 230 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 224 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 226 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 250 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 225 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 229 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 206 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 207 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 211 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 232 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 233 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 195 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 218 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 208 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 201 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 213 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 118 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 228 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 216 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 191 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 119 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 127 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 231 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 234 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 118 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 199 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 211 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 197 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 242 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 210 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 220 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 207 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 201 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 200 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 217 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 211 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 222 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 197 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 211 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 218 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 207 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 218 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 207 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 203 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 225 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 224 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 223 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 205 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 205 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 219 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 211 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 207 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 184 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 222 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 238 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 194 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 228 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 221 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 208 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 216 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 210 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 224 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 226 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 213 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 222 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 123 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 233 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 228 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 212 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 251 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 249 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 257 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 257 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 218 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 212 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 117 Views
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