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Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM

I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

It is literally madness and in such a situation I do not think we can "pre-write" a priori what we would do in such a situation. We just need to be humans and have grace and understand in such a hell remember this too is human and do what we must and hopefully we will support each other in this hell.


I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Yes. To my understanding this is considered the best practices of how cops are trained right now. Now how these specific cops were trained, and did they follow their training, etc, etc. I am purposefully drifting off here for we do not know at this time.


Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.


If the internet is to be believed, people who were at the actual site of the Uvalde school actually suggested stuff like that. Who knows if this actually occurred. I am not watching the videos writting down notes for there is only so much of hell I can take with my raw exposed nerves.

I will not still like either man but it would be a wonderful thing for my Governor Abbott, or President Biden to pay money / workers and do an actual investigation of what happened. I do not expect this to happen, I hope to be surprised. Government may be limited but investigations is one of its jobs, not just providing peace and something that is like justice.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 983 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 272 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 237 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 262 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 231 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 281 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 235 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 246 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 249 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 239 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 229 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 257 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 284 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 243 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 233 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 243 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 243 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 223 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 261 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 240 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 275 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 251 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 244 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 241 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 246 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 243 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 274 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 223 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 231 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 156 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 252 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 228 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 260 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 155 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 236 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 236 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 153 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 229 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 243 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 240 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 236 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 233 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 260 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 234 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 238 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 213 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 218 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 223 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 238 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 245 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 203 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 228 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 222 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 215 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 224 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 121 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 236 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 225 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 201 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 127 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 130 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 240 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 243 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 123 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 206 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 220 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 207 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 254 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 218 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 230 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 214 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 212 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 207 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 225 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 218 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 233 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 209 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 219 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 225 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 219 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 231 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 220 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 215 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 233 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 236 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 234 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 214 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 214 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 228 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 220 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 218 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 193 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 231 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 251 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 209 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 246 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 232 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 217 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 223 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 217 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 237 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 237 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 226 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 235 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 127 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 242 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 238 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 220 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 265 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 266 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 268 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 266 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 230 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 219 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 120 Views
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