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I think the same of you... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM

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Or you choose not to in order to keep up with the emotional rhetoric.

And you choose not to get what I'm saying, as do millions of others in this country, so we keep having days like this. I think it's pretty clear whose decision to close their eyes is more catastrophic.

Translation: you're damn right I'm emotional. And you have no right to ask me not to be. Not on a day like this.


The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. That’s how it is. The only way to change that is via passing an amendment. There literally is no other way.

Of course it isn't the supreme law of that land. It is a piece of fiction that draws legitimacy from people's belief that following it is more to their benefit than not. As the Constitution, or it's creative interpretation, makes that less and less true, so it becomes less and less able to command that belief.

Your Constitution is flawed because it neither anticipated the formation of nor the deep partisan entrenchment based on political parties. Nor did the framers, through no fault of theirs, anticipate the kind of media environment we have today. The amendment process is consequentially designed to be so slow as to render it incapable of producing solutions to urgent problems.

You can keep singing odes to the supremacy of the Constitution, but at some point, as more minority political positions keep getting imposed on the populace by exploiting the cracks and failure points in your Constitution, don't be surprised if people have nothing but contempt for your imbecilic position that somehow maintaining the supremacy of the Constitution is worth any cost.


I’ve tried really hard to be reasonable in all this post.

Effort doesn't equal success. I believe you think you're reasonable. That doesn't mean I believe you are, in fact, reasonable.
Yes I’m a gun owner but I don’t think we are doing enough to stop all gun violence, especially the innocent people killed every day by stray bullets from gun battles.

Then quit playing the both-sides game. Till you do that, all your polite pretense of reasonableness comes across as smug, smarmy bullshit.
Do you have specifics around your compromise legislation? I would be happy to discuss that.

You act as if this is the first time a shooting at a school occured. The first time one side proposed solutions to have the other ask for the issue to not be politicized and then give us what is surely the panacea for all this violence, pain and loss: thoughts and prayers.

There are compromise on compromise on compromise legislation out there,.proposed after every mass shooting gets the topic some air time. Pick any one, and explain why none of them got passed. When you've done that, and you've arrived at "Republican Party" as your broad answer, then we can continue the discussion.

I'm happy to discuss compromise legislation with someone who is clear on what's at stake and what the blockers are.

I'd love to be proved wrong, but I'm pretty sure that isn't going to be you.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1071 Views
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I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 297 Views
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