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Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM

There you go again, running your mouth about something you don't understand. I'd say you're out of your depth at this point, but that's an understatement; I'm trying to shout to you from a ship while you're at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.



The Constitution is not gospel. What it says is neither de facto moral, not necessarily even legally sound.

The Constitution is literally the foundation of the American legal system lol. So yeah, it's kind of de facto legally sound.


And this stops at the state level? Why can't a city government do so as well? Before you say anything about the Constitution, I don't give a damn. I'm asking you what fundamental moral or legal reason exists to have the States be the ultimate arbiters of this issue.

Municipalities can regulate what is left to them by the... DUN DUN DUN ...state constitutions! That is literally how government works. That is the legal reason. I mean I get that you're not American, but neither am I and I can still grasp basic civics.

Let me break it down for you so you can understand:
1. The Constitution makes federal laws; whatever the Constitution does not cover, legally, is left to
2. The States. Who are bound by their own various state constitutions to regulate whatever the Constitution does not regulate. Whatever they choose not to regulate is left to
3. The Municipalities/Counties/whatever else you want to call them.

That's the legal rationale for the devolution of powers. So, for example, if a state WANTS to allow municipalities/counties to regulate abortion, it can do so if it chooses to, because the state can devolve its own power.


It did not. The decision in no way says every individual needs to believe this. If you believe life begins at conception, you can act on that belief and not have an abortion. Roe doesn't mandate that you do.

Roe didn't mandate belief anymore than Dobbs does - in fact, I would say Dobbs mandates it even less. Whereas Roe forced the viability test on the country to decide when life began (insofar as it had an interest in not being snuffed out, Dobbs does the opposite - explicitly states that the Court does not have the ability nor the means to settle that question.

Which, of course, makes that your original argument here, that Dobbs essentially forces belief on the country, moot. Which you would have known had you read Dobbs. But, as you have made abundantly clear, you love talking about things about which you have not informed yourself or about which you know little to nothing.


This is rich coming from you, who spent multiple posts distracting from the subject above.

Where? I've literally spoken to the subject on every post; you're the one who can't be consistent in argument (or even attack) from one post to the next.


There's simply no goalpost shifting. Roe did not impose a standard every woman had to follow. It only allowed women to follow their beliefs. Striking down Roe does the opposite to millions of women.

That's simply untrue - Dobbs does not and cannot make abortion illegal. It does not, as you just claimed, impose a standard that every woman must follow.

By it;'s very nature, Dobbs leaves it to the STATES to decide how abortion is best regulated, which means not even close to "every" woman would have anything imposed on them at all. It does not and cannot force a belief onto any woman. What it does is allow states to do what the Constitution intended - regulate abortion. Whether that means more access, or less.

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