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Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 Send a noteboard - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM

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If such rights are left to the states in the Constitution.

If the state chooses to regulate those rights, the states can regulate as they see fit, since it is the people that elect the legislature which regulates those rights, it is in fact the people deciding which rights, if any require regulation, and which regulations, if any, are suitable.

That also wasn't the point - the point was that Roe imposed the standard of when life begins on the country - which you previously said no one had a right to do.

Changing the subject or shifting the goalposts won't stop everyone from seeing you're a hypocrite who doesn't know what he's talking about.


Like you said, “as they see fit”

If you don’t like that, write your State Senator. Or move to a different state.

That’s how democracy works.


is fucked up due to the Mid May heat wave, and there is not enough power to provide power to meet demand. This is the same system that can not handle heat or handle cold.

But I should write my state senator, it is MY FAULT our system is unresponsive.

How about you go fuck off! Democracy is not a universal balm to all problems, humans are interdependent.

Much like there is the problem of evil in our world, even if humans have free will and are capable of making choices.


I'm not sure Dragonsoul was suggesting Democracy is the universal balm but that it is the recourse you have, unfortunately Democracy itself leads to lots of issues, but still seems best form of government around.
It isn't your fault the power system is unresponsive, but if the state leaders have managed to allow it to get to this stage over time, and they are the leaders the state people keep voting for, I just don't see an easy way around it.
In many democratic countries, it does feel like things have improved with abortion becoming freer, gay marriage being allowed etc, but it has mainly been done via government legislation I believe, this law change (assuming it goes through) will push it back to the state / federal governments, and I guess it means it is there that such freedoms need to be restored, which feels like it may be a firmer ground going forward than relying on a court's interpretation.

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