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Well, we agree it will get worse entyti Send a noteboard - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM

Both sides are paranoid, and can find examples to justify why the present is unbearable and how we think the immediate future is going to get so much worse.

Why is it going to get worse? Because states are going to make maximalists policies that actually do not reduce harm. Do not reduce abortions and mothers deaths in the worse case health scenario (for medical shit does happen), they will do so in order to feel in control, to feel righteous, to feel the zeal. I fear it is going to get worse for mankind loves our gratification and is a creature capable of self/other destruction in our lives excess.

One could do restrictions on third trimester Abortions under Roe and the other course cases that followed. But the near future gives us another chance to feel a higher level of control, agency, and self-zeal.


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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1091 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 302 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 335 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 258 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 275 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 244 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 251 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 222 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 230 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 285 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 272 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 239 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 232 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 265 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 244 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 293 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 252 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 285 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 273 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 241 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 490 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 244 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 234 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 241 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 154 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 289 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 250 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 278 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 254 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 228 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 235 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 287 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 291 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 294 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 263 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 249 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 248 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 252 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 255 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 226 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 251 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 261 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 217 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 200 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 227 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 203 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 227 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 254 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 239 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 250 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 232 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 230 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 223 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 222 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 236 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 228 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 246 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 242 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 229 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 246 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 200 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 214 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 223 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 260 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 200 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 251 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 214 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 240 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 198 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 221 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 223 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 262 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 228 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 238 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 231 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 216 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 206 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 230 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 200 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 231 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 312 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 223 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 241 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 228 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 247 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 249 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 243 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 235 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 257 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 197 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 216 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 224 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 224 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 202 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 221 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 230 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 222 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 254 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 204 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 301 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 266 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 179 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 251 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 133 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 222 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 141 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 130 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 240 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 337 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 248 Views
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