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Actually, it does impose Jeordam Send a noteboard - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM

An abortion imposes a real and direct right to life for the unborn child. The woman is imposing her will on another.

That fetus is a distinct individual from the woman. They are connected, but it is temporary.

She should have no more of a legal right to have it killed, then she should if she took her 2yr old by the hand, walked into a clinic, and had the child dismembered while he was moving around trying to get away.

Not a bit of that is hyperbolic in the least. This is how a D&C is done in the second trimester. You know...that 15th week everyone is fond of talking about.

That is the debate. Whether a person (doesn't matter who) has the right to kill someone else. That debate is predicated upon the debate of when is someone a person. You've spoken multiple times about this being a religious thing. I don't need a belief/faith system to debate this at all.

~Jeordam

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1080 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 292 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 325 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 250 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 265 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 233 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 243 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 215 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 222 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 279 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 265 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 232 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 223 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 257 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 236 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 270 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 245 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 279 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 263 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 234 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 481 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 237 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 224 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 234 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 151 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 275 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 242 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 271 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 243 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 220 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 228 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 280 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 282 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 283 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 255 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 238 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 239 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 246 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 240 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 218 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 245 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 238 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 209 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 194 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 221 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 196 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 218 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 249 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 227 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 239 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 225 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 224 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 214 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 214 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 228 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 220 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 239 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 232 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 219 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 236 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 190 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 205 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 216 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 246 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 193 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 245 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 203 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 233 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 187 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 215 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 214 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 254 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 218 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 229 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 224 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 209 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 196 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 219 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 193 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 213 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 301 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 215 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 235 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 219 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 240 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 238 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 234 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 224 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 248 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 189 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 207 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 215 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 205 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 195 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 210 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 217 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 212 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 244 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 193 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 290 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 252 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 174 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 235 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 132 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 213 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 138 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 124 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 227 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 327 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 238 Views
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