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Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM

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Since I see stats that say about that same number showing people support limitations on abortion. RvW being overturned just means it goes back to the States. Of the two sides....no abortions or abortions of viable babies...which do you think is more extreme?

~Jeordam


Roe allows for restrictions. Viability <I>is</I> a restriction.

And I have no idea why the two sides are no abortions vs abortion of no babies, but even in that framing, no abortions is obviously more extreme, if only because it makes the choice for everyone, regardless of their beliefs. Why does a non-Catholic/Christian citizen have to abide by these rules? Roe provides <I>choice</I>. It doesn't mandate abortions in any stage or any circumstance. It only allows choice. If your morality tells you this is a sin, brilliant, don't do it.

But if this belief can be enforced, why can't other beliefs be enforced? Why can't Hindus, Muslims and Jews have their beliefs codified into law that applies to everyone as well?

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1295 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 504 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 525 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 445 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 467 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 426 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 426 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 404 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 438 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 452 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 461 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 429 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 426 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 478 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 436 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 487 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 433 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 487 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 465 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 422 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 677 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 437 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 422 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 438 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 282 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 477 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 444 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 470 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 451 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 411 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 421 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 475 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 495 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 488 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 451 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 412 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 440 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 457 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 447 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 401 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 448 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 424 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 389 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 375 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 417 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 387 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 420 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 417 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 418 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 428 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 416 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 412 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 394 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 407 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 415 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 403 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 426 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 442 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 419 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 437 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 371 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 386 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 402 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 449 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 379 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 434 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 408 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 433 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 379 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 406 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 410 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 449 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 421 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 431 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 418 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 404 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 383 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 424 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 387 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 427 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 625 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 410 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 438 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 424 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 438 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 443 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 437 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 416 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 456 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 381 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 373 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 415 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 426 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 399 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 404 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 430 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 424 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 454 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 390 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 478 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 432 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 295 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 450 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 258 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 407 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 262 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 255 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 429 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 538 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 441 Views
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