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Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 Send a noteboard - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM

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A clerk, whether for a liberal justice or a conservative one, disagrees with the breadth of the ruling and wanted to get the word out there ASAP. While I'm certain you don't see things this way, a vote to make women second class citizens is very likely to inflame passions.

Why the fuck would this change anyone's votes? Gorsuch and Kavanaugh straight up lied to the Senate about they'd vote. If that doesn't give them pause, what is any pro-abortion group possibly do to sway their minds?


Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision. You are not going to soft walk yourself back to some abortion decision (with Roberts) that will allow less abortions even if you slowly chip away at Roe v Wade for there is now the social exposure from the leak.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1379 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 613 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 618 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 533 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 580 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 498 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 510 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 488 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 522 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 545 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 539 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 513 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 507 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 574 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 515 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 575 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 527 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 559 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 547 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 508 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 770 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 552 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 499 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 537 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 322 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 570 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 545 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 546 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 530 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 495 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 506 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 562 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 592 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 574 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 541 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 486 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 526 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 543 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 544 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 489 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 548 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 496 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 472 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 466 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 518 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 471 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 516 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 484 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 495 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 503 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 508 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 489 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 486 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 502 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 495 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 491 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 520 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 520 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 502 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 529 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 469 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 467 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 481 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 538 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 475 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 518 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 495 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 510 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 470 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 485 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 487 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 553 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 522 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 513 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 513 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 494 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 464 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 500 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 465 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 513 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 724 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 484 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 527 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 491 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 530 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 515 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 520 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 502 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 538 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 482 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 443 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 485 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 498 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 469 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 486 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 502 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 491 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 552 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 473 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 562 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 538 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 336 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 520 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 286 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 497 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 297 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 298 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 528 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 620 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 522 Views
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